Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for every tier continued (again)

[RandomGuy2345]

Not really. In fact, Henry's retries work nearly identical, with him being able to create Save Points and rewind time to certain moments.

Mb then.

Though Henry has other hax that help him beat Johnny, too.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

I mean Johnny beat Flowey with his infinite retries, Junko's Despair Diseases will legit just make him give up the fight and it's done with a flash

He automatically retry if he lose of get incaped in any way. Also, she would need to first someone despair talk to him before he use any of the haxs that permanently put Junko down.

 

[azontr]

Henry's retries are also pretty much automatic so if he's put into any disadvantageous situation where he's, in this case, driven to despair by Junko's SI, time will immediately rewind.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

And Junko would, herself, likely start in the thick of it, leaving her wide open to getting iced.

I mean, the remaining Monokumas count as Junko tho

 

[DaReaperMan]

I mean, the remaining Monokumas count as Junko tho

They can be felled eventually, it ain't like Crowfather doesn't have time

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

They can be felled eventually, it ain't like Crowfather doesn't have time

Crow doesn't even affect 0.00000000000...1% of the Monokumas and Junko's Law hax is though-based

 

[XDragnoir]

They do? Can you quote that part, so that I can either change it or clarify what is meant? Because their concept manip definitely has an effect relevant for combat. Just not "bam, your concept doesn't exist" or stuff like that.

Deja vu?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Crow doesn't even affect 0.00000000000...1% of the Monokumas and Junko's Law hax is though-based

And yet she'd still leave a hole to let Crowfather win, and, especially becuase of his abilities, can very easily be just him freezing Monokumas till they're all gone, plus, if Junko's body goes down wouldn't that get rid of the thing controlling the Monokumas? Just saying lol

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

And yet she'd still leave a hole to let Crowfather win, and, especially becuase of his abilities, can very easily be just him freezing Monokumas till they're all gone, plus, if Junko's body goes down wouldn't that get rid of the thing controlling the Monokumas? Just saying lol

Junko leaving holes in her plans just means that they won't be completely foolproof, she's not gonna wait years for Crow to freeze every single Monokumas.
Junko technically is also just the digital consciousness inside every Monokuma, so doubt Crow would be able to actually attack her directly

 

[Remus1998]

Currently filling in spots, although tbh I feel like they can beat the cookie kingdom characters.

Bet, I'll make a match then

 

[XDragnoir]

Not too sure if the same can be said for the 7-Cs, but I'll wait for someone knowledgeable to come in.

Cirno, Satori Komeji and a few others are the 7Cs, they seem to be just as broken as everyone else in the verse.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Cirno, Satori Komeji and a few others are the 7Cs, they seem to be just as broken as everyone else in the verse.

Then I'll gladly keep the 6th spot (for now at least).

 

[Tatsumi504]

and the amount of profiles that don't even put brackets after their abilities, nevermind actaully having an Notable Atatcks and Techniques

Profiles like that exist? What's the point of going through all the work detailing profiles if i could've just gotten away with not adding evidence

 

[RandomGuy2345]

6. Geist Grace

7. Melheis Boran

Reading both of their profiles without any context makes me think Melheis has a good chance of beating Geist.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Reading both of their profiles without any context makes me think Melheis has a good chance of beating Geist.

He could probably beat the no.1, doesn't seem like tier 7-A is ranked

 

[Everything12]

Profiles like that exist? What's the point of going through all the work detailing profiles if i could've just gotten away with not adding evidence

It looks nice.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

He could probably beat the no.1, doesn't seem like tier 7-A is ranked

I'm not even confident in Johnny beating Boran.

Literally most, if not, all of Johnny's physical abilities are useless against the #1 7-A. He has to rely on his equipment and his Supernatural Luck in order to scuff out a win, but I highly doubt that's going to happen.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Deja vu?

Didn't get a reply last time I asked ¯\(ツ)/¯

 

[RandomGuy2345]

He could probably beat the no.1, doesn't seem like tier 7-A is ranked

But Boran does seem like he has a better chance in beating Kumoko than most.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

chen qi should be above greeza he can interact with NEP

 

[deonment]

But Boran does seem like he has a better chance in beating Kumoko than most.

beating kumoko

You have no idea how hard that is going to be, do you?
So do you want me to start with the 5+ basically passives, or the fact she will just camp him, or her massive asf arsenal of bullshit she can pull out of nowhere

 

[RandomGuy2345]

You have no idea how hard that is going to be, do you?
So do you want me to start with the 5+ basically passives, or the fact she will just camp him, or her massive asf arsenal of bullshit she can pull out of nowhere

Exactly.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

He could probably beat the no.1, doesn't seem like tier 7-A is ranked

I'm 100% sure that the Arifureta characters beat Kumoko in 7-A, I just decided to make first a match with Han since he is also first spot in High 7-A so defeating him once would mean also getting first spot in High 7-A.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I'm 100% sure that the Arifureta characters beat Kumoko in 7-A

you wouldn't mind if I clown on you if you end up losing as a petty way at getting back at you for ******* over my boi Johnny, right?

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

you wouldn't mind if I clown on you if you end up losing as a petty way at getting back at you for ******* over my boi Johnny, right?

No, you could do it, though I have arguments to support my claim of them beating Kumoko with their conceptual haxs (especially since at that point Hajime already created a EE type 1 concept, Yue who can use a ton of concept haxs with a thought, Alvaheit who aside from the concept haxs is an AE type 1 based in conception, and generally because at that point the character already began to become stupid do to reach the true essence of ancient magic).

 

[DontTalkDT]

No, you could do it, though I have arguments to support my claim of them beating Kumoko with their conceptual haxs (especially since at that point Hajime already created a EE type 1 concept, Yue who can use a ton of concept haxs with a thought, Alvaheit who aside from the concept haxs is an AE type 1 based in conception, and generally because at that point the character already began to become stupid do to reach the true essence of ancient magic).

Go ahead and make a thread on that. Although, let me ask in advance, doesn't that concept hax need to hit in order to work?

 

[deonment]

Senshinkan

So I was checking through 7-C, and it runs out this verse still exists, where everyone has Abstract Existence with some deeper than others.

Unfortunately, the most based characters in it are smurfs so rip

Exactly.

K then, I will start with base
Which has a combat applicable low godly, passive fear that also damages the soul and mind, info analysis that gives her all of the target's information, layered power null against magic and physical attacks used against her along with sight-based soul, mind, stamina/magic/etc drain, that becomes even more potent as all expenditures of them, a deconstruction that by simple activation against someone who doesn't have resistance to it would at best cripple them if not kill them, a paralysis that is even more potent than regular paralysis to the point of wholly immobilizing the target and being above baseline, has what is basically a better telekinesis
this is just what is basically passive, let alone what her actual active kit is, let alone what her second key has

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Unfortunately, the most based characters in it are smurfs so rip

there is still Dan , Gadou ,

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Go ahead and make a thread on that. Although, let me ask in advance, doesn't that concept hax need to hit in order to work?

The EE concept type 1 yes, most of the other haxs no (like Divine Edict for example that use spirit magic and just need to say something like "disappear" and someone get disintegrated or several other effects, spatial/boundary magic just need a thought, same with gravity magic, evolution/info magic, restoration/time magic, metamorphosis/organic magic and creation/matter magic, some especific spells could need more than a thought but generally speaking most of the spells is just think and done).

 

[DontTalkDT]

The EE concept type 1 yes, most of the other haxs no (like Divine Edict for example that use spirit magic and just need to say something like "disappear" and someone get disintegrated or several other effects, spatial/boundary magic just need a thought, same with gravity magic, evolution/info magic, restoration/time magic, metamorphosis/organic magic and creation/matter magic, some especific spells could need more than a thought but generally speaking most of the spells is just think and done).

Sounds good for Kumoko.

 

[deonment]

The EE concept type 1 yes, most of the other haxs no (like Divine Edict for example that use spirit magic and just need to say something like "disappear" and someone get disintegrated or several other effects, spatial/boundary magic just need a thought, same with gravity magic, evolution/info magic, restoration/time magic, metamorphosis/organic magic and creation/matter magic, some especific spells could need more than a thought but generally speaking most of the spells is just think and done).

For the non-ee stuff, is this only that it is enforced by said hax, or that it affects things on that level, so for example, for the disappear stuff would normal deconstruction resist work, or would you also need concept resistance, and would low goldy work to regen from it

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

For the non-ee stuff, is this only that it is enforced by said hax, or that it affects things on that level, so for example, for the disappear stuff would normal deconstruction resist work, or would you also need concept resistance, and would low goldy work to regen from it

Affect things on that level. The disappearing stuff was showed when Ehit used Divine Edict, Ehit is the guy who created Apostles and granted them their characteristic disintegration magic, with said disintegration magic Apostles can in verse disintegrate basically anything (including things like gravity, space, time, souls, etc.), so the effect of the disappearing word (or die, or similar words) would upscale from that since it directly come from strong ancient magic, so in principle resistance to more than normal deconstruction would be needed, also low godly definitely don't save against it (reason to why for example Laus, a master in spirit magic who could resurrect as long his soul still existed, could had be easily finished when he faced an Apostle if she didn't let him escape to have fun later. There is also the fact that Divine Edict actually is really strong spirit magic and with a casual use of it the Liberators were put down, so it also have the feats of affect people with resistance against spirit magic). One also likely would need concept manip since spirit magic (which control the concept of immaterial aspects of beings) is innately superior to other soul manip (like Eri soul manip for example).

In 7-A the character that can use Divine Edict is Alvaheit, the character who also can use all other ancient magics and that also have AE type 1 (based in conception), along with the ability to summon several million of monsters (including some tier 6 ones, around some hundreds of them), Apostles and control several different pocket dimensions through the Sanctuary. He also would be able to receive Ehit direct help with the Sanctuary.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

1. D&D characters/ Characters from Maou gakuin (Only Sasha & Misha)
2. Owari no chronicle characters (Typhoon & Susamikado)
3. The Hunter (Bloodborne)
4. Junko
5. Sacred Eclipse
6. Henry Stickman
7. Shizuku/ Ikki kurogane
8. Han Jee-Han
9. Danny Phantom
10. Crowfather

Is this good enough?

The Hunter would be above the D&D characters, he's already beaten two of the main 8-As and stalemated a third

 

[deonment]

The Hunter would be above the D&D characters, he's already beaten two of the main 8-As and stalemated a third

Explain how as he literally cant affect multiple planes at once along with AE1
Edit: Wait double posting is still around, lmao

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Explain how as he literally cant affect multiple planes at once along with AE1
Edit: Wait double posting is still around, lmao

https://vsbattles.com/threads/steal-the-crown-from-under-their-nose-the-hunter-vs-stone-golem.142680/

He beat the Vitreous Drinker and then it was changed to the Stone Golem who he inconned

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Question are jojo characters in this list)

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Plus its already been explained how the Hunter beats Sasha & Misha, and was discussed how he beats Susamikado in the previous top 5 thread

 

[DontTalkDT]

Affect things on that level. The disappearing stuff was showed when Ehit used Divine Edict, Ehit is the guy who created Apostles and granted them their characteristic disintegration magic, with said disintegration magic Apostles can in verse disintegrate basically anything (including things like gravity, space, time, souls, etc.), so the effect of the disappearing word (or die, or similar words) would upscale from that since it directly come from strong ancient magic, so in principle resistance to more than normal deconstruction would be needed, also low godly definitely don't save against it (reason to why for example Laus, a master in spirit magic who could resurrect as long his soul still existed, could had be easily finished when he faced an Apostle if she didn't let him escape to have fun later. There is also the fact that Divine Edict actually is really strong spirit magic and with a casual use of it the Liberators were put down, so it also have the feats of affect people with resistance against spirit magic). One also likely would need concept manip since spirit magic (which control the concept of immaterial aspects of beings) is innately superior to other soul manip (like Eri soul manip for example).

In 7-A the character that can use Divine Edict is Alvaheit, the character who also can use all other ancient magics and that also have AE type 1 (based in conception), along with the ability to summon several million of monsters (including some tier 6 ones, around some hundreds of them), Apostles and control several different pocket dimensions through the Sanctuary. He also would be able to receive Ehit direct help with the Sanctuary.

Kumoko's many many layers of powernull & jamming would probably just negate all of that. (the jamming is weird in that it's more effective against stronger stuff)
And then there's the issue that you can't get anything into her dimension if ya can't overcome her spatial manipulation while under the effects of that powernull.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

They do? Can you quote that part, so that I can either change it or clarify what is meant? Because their concept manip definitely has an effect relevant for combat. Just not "bam, your concept doesn't exist" or stuff like that.

Youre finally going to add scans like everyone has been asking you to do?

"While its intended use is for that, since it can also be used on living humans it is theoretically a powerful kind of sealing technique."

Having looked into the verse myself since we last discussed it, this is 100% true, it has never been used in this manner before and as such cannot be argued that it can be.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Kumoko's many many layers of powernull & jamming would probably just negate all of that. (the jamming is weird in that it's more effective against stronger stuff)
And then there's the issue that you can't get anything into her dimension if ya can't overcome her spatial manipulation while under the effects of that powernull.

They also resist several layers of powernull though, conceptual ones at that (and their defenses against powernull are also conceptual in nature).

Those who have mastered spatial magic are able to use its essence, boundary manipulation, so they can do things like manipulate the boundaries between worlds to travel between them.