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Top 10 Strongest Characters for Every Tier Continuation

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Bobsican said:
Maou Gakuin is a bad example as the verse got deleted (and currently being brought back with a far-behind official translation) as all of that was deemed unreliable out of relying on machine translations, although the rest makes sense.

That said, usually for this kind of stuff you'd have an accepted CRT or accepted blog post on the matter, especially as users can freely make up with layer numbers otherwise (not that this is necessarily the case here, mind you).
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or just look at Yang Qi's AP description
 
Ss3micah said:
Curious to see how that would work tbh
I mean based on what I’m seeing, the Captain’s consciousness is 11-D but his physical manifestation is 3-D
And in a VS Match, a character would face his 3-D manifestations not his 11-D Consciousness unless some aspect of his 3-D being can channel 11-D power So im curious to see if Higher Dimensional Neg would work here
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He can manipulate the Sea of Quanta (Which is 11-D) to create the true personification of him, Hyperion.
 
Bobsican said:
...My issue isn't the AP reasoning, but rather it being accepted as relatable to hax potency, then to layers, respectively, unless you can quote the particular bit proposing the layers or something?
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Honestly, you can't read it yourself? Does every series need a crt just to know "oh, you have 100 hax layers, 82 resistance layers". What stupid idea is that? Especially with the "unpopular" verse, how many people will care enough to rate it or will it literally die in a few months? The AP part (and the blog associated with it) is basically all, the thread also explains how they work. Evaluate the number of layers by yourself
 
Rabbit2002 said:
Honestly, you can't read it yourself? Does every series need a crt just to know "oh, you have 100 hax layers, 82 resistance layers". What stupid idea is that? Especially with the "unpopular" verse, how many people will care enough to rate it or will it literally die in a few months? The AP part (and the blog associated with it) is basically all, the thread also explains how they work. Evaluate the number of layers by yourself
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I bothered looking and all that's proposed in the linked CRT is strictly AP and a few abilities (please link the particular comments proposing the layers otherwise), this situation reminds me of how a explanation blog was proposed for Maou Gakuin then not even the staff were aware it was meant to pass for infinite layers, which is why there's a need for scrutinity to say the least, to go against that if anything shows that these layers weren't accepted by the staff to begin with and thus aren't usable right now for the purposes of the lists.
 
Obscure Chinese Novel scalers when their infinite+++++ layers wank gets rejected:

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Bobsican said:
I bothered looking and all that's proposed in the linked CRT is strictly AP and a few abilities (please link the particular comments proposing the layers otherwise), this situation reminds me of how a explanation blog was proposed for Maou Gakuin then not even the staff were aware it was meant to pass for infinite layers, which is why there's a need for scrutinity to say the least, to go against that if anything shows that these layers weren't accepted by the staff to begin with and thus aren't usable right now for the purposes of the lists.
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It's just that. The thread basically explained which levels of Immortal Worlds act as layers of silver sea, and that it has been accepted (how silver sea's layers were treated at that time is what immortal worlds are like, except that SS layers are 5-D and this is 4-D/6-D). Some abilities are basically Law Manipulation, Power Nullification, Death manipulation, just take that if you want to chop. Also in the blog and thread it is also said that size and the above are inversely proportional to each other, to the extent that a character can easily create infinite Tier 2 structures that are turned into a normal person when the size is reduced to ten times, Yang Qi does the above but instead of just ten times, it is to the extent that the whole infinite structure is made finite and as said in the thread/blog he is now fodder with the characters can treat immortal worlds (3000th rank) like a cell, apply that to his 6-D key too because God Realm (infinitely immortal worlds with rank 3000 but a 6-D version, as AP said). I think that's self-explanatory for how Yang Qi's layers work (beside Destiny Valuation), not everything has to be as obvious as possible. If you still do not accept, you can say it's baseline or ask @Muchacho_mrm for trillions layers
 
Rabbit2002 said:
It's just that. The thread basically explained which levels of Immortal Worlds act as layers of silver sea, and that it has been accepted (how silver sea's layers were treated at that time is what immortal worlds are like, except that SS layers are 5-D and this is 4-D/6-D). Some abilities are basically Law Manipulation, Power Nullification, Death manipulation, just take that if you want to chop. Also in the blog and thread it is also said that size and the above are inversely proportional to each other, to the extent that a character can easily create infinite Tier 2 structures that are turned into a normal person when the size is reduced to ten times, Yang Qi does the above but instead of just ten times, it is to the extent that the whole infinite structure is made finite and as said in the thread/blog he is now fodder with the characters can treat immortal worlds (3000th rank) like a cell, apply that to his 6-D key too because God Realm (infinitely immortal worlds with rank 3000 but a 6-D version, as AP said). I think that's self-explanatory for how Yang Qi's layers work (beside Destiny Valuation), not everything has to be as obvious as possible. If you still do not accept, you can say it's baseline or ask @Muchacho_mrm for trillions layers
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@Muchacho_mrm also has this in their message wall:

His previous hax layers would have been infinite if the ones that are infinitely above 5D didn't get upgraded to 6D. As for his current layers, I told @Rabbit2002 that I'll let them handle it, so you should ask them.
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And looking at what you've posted, eh, I'm still not a fan of those reasonings for layers for the multiple reasons I've said before. At this point it's not only about the reasoning, but it being accepted by the staff as well, so at this point it's clear we'd have to take it as baseline 6-D for now.

All of that said, what does Yang Qi has in hax (Unless you were already listing the main stuff with that law, power null (which'd require being specific on what it has nulled to begin with) and death manip, which I doubt)? Maybe he can still work around the lists even with just that.
 
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Ss3micah said:
Doesn’t he have Acausal 5 which makes him nigh-impossible to interact with unless I’m missing something here and don’t destiny characters in general have nigh-infinite layers of Hax and resistances?
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Oryx isnt a smurf anymore and the people above him are smurfs who can just beat him
 
Bobsican said:
@Muchacho_mrm also has this in their message wall:



And looking at what you've posted, eh, I'm still not a fan of those reasonings for layers for the multiple reasons I've said before. At this point it's not only about the reasoning, but it being accepted by the staff as well, so at this point it's clear we'd have to take it as baseline 6-D for now.

All of that said, what does Yang Qi has in hax (Unless you were already listing the main stuff with that law, power null (which'd require being specific on what it has nulled to begin with) and death manip, which I doubt)? Maybe he can still work around the lists even with just that.
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Just look at this post, except for the layers stuff . Personally I don't really agree with this but it's the only thing that can be done for now.


His second key is quite complex, it spans over 300 chapters from when he became 6-D beings until he reached Second Key and he even scaled above many Half-Annulled masters (just like baseline 6-D was fodder Supreme God and Unbounded Will, above that was Main Gods, and above that was Half-Annulled. Not counting other minor gradations). I have a project to edit it (and a lot of other things) because of the lack of this but ignore that
 
deonment said:
Oryx isnt a smurf anymore and the people above him are smurfs who can just beat him
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2-C Castlevania dudes are certainly not smurfs lol
Unless Glassman recently did a CTR that upgrades Castlevania to 5-D Hax

So I’m quite curious as to why Oryx with his Acausal 5 and Nigh-Infinite Layers of resistance would get decked out by Castlevania characters

Maybe I’ll DM Glass to explain it to m
 
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Bobsican said:
@Muchacho_mrm also has this in their message wall:



And looking at what you've posted, eh, I'm still not a fan of those reasonings for layers for the multiple reasons I've said before. At this point it's not only about the reasoning, but it being accepted by the staff as well, so at this point it's clear we'd have to take it as baseline 6-D for now.

All of that said, what does Yang Qi has in hax (Unless you were already listing the main stuff with that law, power null (which'd require being specific on what it has nulled to begin with) and death manip, which I doubt)? Maybe he can still work around the lists even with just that.
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His Powernull simply nullifies most supernatural powers and transforms into a normal human. It can also disable your physiology (making you from an intangible, higher-dimensional existence made of abstract laws, spatial dimensions, universes.., with full SS type 1-3) to a normal human with flesh and blood and will die if not breathing for a few seconds, it varies by strength (if layers are not adopted then consider it AP based and resistant if possessing higher or similar AP. Not sure about normal resistance layers can deal with this), at heaviest it will literally disable your movements (paralyze), or your mind itself or at worst you instantly die, dissolving into a dry skeleton. He also possesses various forms of Death Manipulation, Power Nullification, Law Manipulation
 
Ss3micah said:
2-C Castlevania dudes are certainly not smurfs lol
Unless Glassman recently did a CTR that upgrades Castlevania to 5-D Hax

So I’m quite curious as to why Oryx with his Acausal 5 and Nigh-Infinite Layers of resistance would get decked out by Castlevania characters

Maybe I’ll DM Glass to explain it to m
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plot hax even then its contested
 
Oliver_de_jesus said:
Memeovore is the first Smurf (5D), up higher it go to Low 1C/5D D to 1-C Space girl, To low 1-A to 1-A
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9. Medea Pideth Machina
10. The Player (Wizard101)

If memeovore is the first smurf then what above these two?
Are they Smurfs as well or do they cap at 4-D Hax?


Setsuna_tenma said:
plot hax even then its contested
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So Acausal 5 doesn’t defend against Fundamental Abstract Hax? (I.E: Concept, Info 2 and Plot)
Interesting 🤔

But yeah that would explain why Castlevania Forerunners could beat him then
 
Ss3micah said:
9. Medea Pideth Machina
10. The Player (Wizard101)

If memeovore is the first smurf then what above these two?
Are they Smurfs as well or do they cap at 4-D Hax?



So Acausal 5 doesn’t defend against Fundamental Abstract Hax? (I.E: Concept, Info 2 and Plot)
Interesting 🤔

But yeah that would explain why Castlevania Forerunners could beat him then
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I think W101 player has higher-D hax. I think 5D?
 
Ss3micah said:
So Acausal 5 doesn’t defend against Fundamental Abstract Hax? (I.E: Concept, Info 2 and Plot)
Interesting 🤔

But yeah that would explain why Castlevania Forerunners could beat him then
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Nothing automatically works against Acausality Type 5, unless the verse specifies it. Well except smurf crap.
 
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
Nothing automatically works against Acausality Type 5, unless the verse specifies it. Well except smurf crap.
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Assuming that's the case then Castlevania Plot hax would not work against Oryx Acausal 5 given Plot Hax caps at 4-D Potency and to my knowledge.... no one in Castlevania has Acausal 5 so their is no direct feats of affecting an Acausal 5 being......

So if Plot Hax is indeed a win con against Oryx
Then that would mean Plot Hax auto-works against Acausal 5
That's my deduction at least

BestMGQScalerEver said:
I think W101 player has higher-D hax. I think 5D?
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I see he has a Low 1-C Key
But Idk if he has 5-D Hax in his Low 2-C key
 
Ss3micah said:
Assuming that's the case then Castlevania Plot hax would not work against Oryx Acausal 5 given Plot Hax caps at 4-D Potency and to my knowledge.... no one in Castlevania has Acausal 5 so their is no direct feats of affecting an Acausal 5 being......

So if Plot Hax is indeed a win con against Oryx
Then that would mean Plot Hax auto-works against Acausal 5
That's my deduction at least
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It was discussed a while ago, Plot isn't automatically assumed to be above stuff like (Concepts, Information, etc) unless it's displayed as such. So unless the meta-narrative element of Castlevania has been shown to encompass causality, then it wouldn't auto-win.
 
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
It was discussed a while ago, Plot isn't automatically assumed to be above stuff like (Concepts, Information, etc) unless it's displayed as such. So unless the meta-narrative element of Castlevania has been shown to encompass causality, then it wouldn't auto-win.
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Im aware that Plot, Concepts and Information Hax are treated as being equivalent to each other
As for Causality, maybe Im wrong but I think Plot, Concept and Information Hax are treated as being above Causality seeing as they are Abstract Fundamental Hax especially Plot seeing how Plot Manipulation can emulate Causality as written on the Page but I Digress

As for Castlevania Plot Hax encompassing Causality.....
I honestly dont know about that and likely would have to call Glass for confirmation regarding that matter
But as far as the profiles are concerned, I dont see any mention of Causality Hax on any Castlevania character's Page

So once again,
Im curious to know why Castlevania cast stands above Oryx
Cause they would have to get pass his Acausal 5 to do it which I wanna know how they did it
deonment said:
Yeah the player has 5D passives in low 2-C, keep bringing up that they should be above medea but I get ignored
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Cool
Im curious
What kind of Passives?
 
Ss3micah said:
So once again,
Im curious to know why Castlevania cast stands above Oryx
Cause they would have to get pass his Acausal 5 to do it which I wanna know how they did it
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because oryx just became 2C and not match was made with oryx only the lower hive like crota
 
Kirinator07 said:
The Sun is an entity in this skip so it counts
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I mean, only characters are allowed, look how there's no weapons or civilizations on the list AFAIK.

Also...

Rabbit2002 said:
Just look at this post, except for the layers stuff . Personally I don't really agree with this but it's the only thing that can be done for now.


His second key is quite complex, it spans over 300 chapters from when he became 6-D beings until he reached Second Key and he even scaled above many Half-Annulled masters (just like baseline 6-D was fodder Supreme God and Unbounded Will, above that was Main Gods, and above that was Half-Annulled. Not counting other minor gradations). I have a project to edit it (and a lot of other things) because of the lack of this but ignore that
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Thanks, good luck researching tho.

Rabbit2002 said:
His Powernull simply nullifies most supernatural powers and transforms into a normal human. It can also disable your physiology (making you from an intangible, higher-dimensional existence made of abstract laws, spatial dimensions, universes.., with full SS type 1-3) to a normal human with flesh and blood and will die if not breathing for a few seconds, it varies by strength (if layers are not adopted then consider it AP based and resistant if possessing higher or similar AP. Not sure about normal resistance layers can deal with this), at heaviest it will literally disable your movements (paralyze), or your mind itself or at worst you instantly die, dissolving into a dry skeleton. He also possesses various forms of Death Manipulation, Power Nullification, Law Manipulation
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A single normal resistance (aka, not even layered) can deal with hax that's just unquantificably above baseline at most, that was discussed in-depth in the thread I did on not correlating the number of inflicted targets, range or concentration to potency, let alone from there to layers, as much we don't make up values for an unquantificable stat amp to render it "usable" in matches.

Anyways, even so, I'm fairly sure that still easily bodies Arceus, Makina and Knives, IDK about Xue Ying, and I'm sure Sora resists everything and has way more layered hax, let alone the High-Godly type 8 seemingly not being nullificable here as Yang Qi's negation caps at Mid-Godly looking at the page.

Maybe this thread could be revived.
 
So, a bit of a conundrum on 4-A.

Kratos currently resists every single passive that the Immortals/Celestials in Ergenverse have, out-haxxes them via all of his arsenal being 4-D and can oneshot them beyond anything their immortality and regeneration can handle.

But from what I recall, Captain had Tier 1 passives so he beat Kratos. And Captain's below Ergenverse. What gives?
 
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