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Tomura Shigaraki Vs. Donquixote Doflamingo

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Mazdoesstuff said:
Well Shigaraki is more durable than a weakened All Might, whose skin is so durable that Rivet Stab (a blade attack) can’t pierce him
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Mazdoesstuff said:
Well Shigaraki is more durable than a weakened All Might, whose skin is so durable that Rivet Stab (a blade attack) can’t pierce him
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By more durable what do you mean... Any proof/scan of Shigaraki tanking bladed/piercing attacks?

Especially against strings that can become this small?
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Mazdoesstuff said:
Well Shigaraki is more durable than a weakened All Might, whose skin is so durable that Rivet Stab (a blade attack) can’t pierce him
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A blade attack with the surface area of a water bottle vs a needle which can get it's potency amped isn't a comparison
 
SnookB said:
Overheat isn't just about temp. It adds to his Ito-Ito AP via high heat. It's a cutting attack combined with high temperature, so I'm sure you can put together just how deadly something like that would be. (And he can stack Buso on that.)

RANGE? Doflamingo's strings can go from Greenbit to Dressrosa, and his birdcage can cover the entirety of the country too. Ain't no way Shiggy has "range" unless you can prove he goes several kilometers at least.

"Reflect the IMPACT of a physical attack." A parasite string won't have impact. His attacks primarily focus on cutting and piercing.

Fair on the parasite detection.
The issue is can he handle all of those while fighting a Doffy clone, Doffy himself, and pretty much omnidirectional strings (can Decay go omnidrectionally? I recall him always going in a single direction with it/or in a cone)

It's an easy fact that if he gets caught, he's done for. That and Kenbunshoku can sense how much of a threat an opponent is. If he knows Shigi is dangerous he would actively try using more than just a few strings (as he did with Luffy using more than a handful).
Once (and if) Shigi is trapped, this turns from a fight to how long until Doffy can kill him while he's just stuck there. Don't a lot of his abilities require his hands too? If Parasite ties him in place he won't move as much as a finger (if Sanji, Jozu and Luffy's predicaments didn't make that clear-)
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Doffy has inferior AP. Prove his AP gets amped enough to kill Shigaraki and prove the heat is sufficient. I hope you realise Endeavor’s flames have 7A force on top of their extreme heat and he couldn’t kill Shigaraki.
 
Insert_creative_name_here_12 said:
Doffy has inferior AP. Prove his AP gets amped enough to kill Shigaraki and prove the heat is sufficient. I hope you realise Endeavor’s flames have 7A force on top of their extreme heat and he couldn’t kill Shigaraki.
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Doflamingo is 550 with his weakest moves. He can use more strings and just amp his AP further.
"Prove his ap gets amped enough" the dude is only 16% higher than Doffy.
"I hope you realize Endeavor's flames have 7-A force" I hope you realize Doflamingo is 550 without trying.
Insert_creative_name_here_12 said:
Flex out of it if the amount of strings is too small,
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He can just use move
Insert_creative_name_here_12 said:
nuke the area around him with Air Cannon to break them,
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Air cannon is a blast from his hands. Doffy's not going to use parasite on his hands.
Insert_creative_name_here_12 said:
protrude rivet stab from parts of his body to cut it.
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Why would he use rivet stab if he doesn't know what's stopping him from moving?
speedster352 said:
Scatter and reflect
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You keep saying this technique when it's absolutely useless
 
KingTempest said:
Doflamingo is 550 with his weakest moves. He can use more strings and just amp his AP further.
"Prove his ap gets amped enough" the dude is only 16% higher than Doffy.
"I hope you realize Endeavor's flames have 7-A force" I hope you realize Doflamingo is 550 without trying.

He can just use move

Air cannon is a blast from his hands. Doffy's not going to use parasite on his hands.

Why would he use rivet stab if he doesn't know what's stopping him from moving?

You keep saying this technique when it's absolutely useless
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Read his profile scatter and reflect will work
 
speedster352 said:
Read his profile scatter and reflect will work
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So no reason why?
Scatter splits up projectiles. It's not passive, or else he would never get touched. If he doesn't know where it is, it won't happen.
Reflect sends attacks back. If it's wrapped around his limbs before he knows it's there, it isn't sending anything back
 
KingTempest said:
So no reason why?
Scatter splits up projectiles. It's not passive, or else he would never get touched. If he doesn't know where it is, it won't happen.
Reflect sends attacks back. If it's wrapped around his limbs before he knows it's there, it isn't sending anything back
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He can combine quirks and AFO is residing inside him so he can help Tomura has crazy aoe explosions to deal with the strings
 
speedster352 said:
He can combine quirks and AFO is residing inside him so he can help Tomura has crazy aoe explosions to deal with the strings
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Show me him sending explosions through his back
Show me a good reason to find out how he would know about the parasite strings
Show me a good reason why he would know they're strings and not just a paralysis ability like everyone else inverse thought until they got prior knowledge
Show me a good reason why any of the above would work

You just keep saying "oh it'll work". Your vote shouldn't be counted at all
 
KingTempest said:
Show me him sending explosions through his back
Show me a good reason to find out how he would know about the parasite strings
Show me a good reason why he would know they're strings and not just a paralysis ability like everyone else inverse thought until they got prior knowledge
Show me a good reason why any of the above would work

You just keep saying "oh it'll work". Your vote shouldn't be counted at all
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Look at tomura and AFO profile they have aoe explosions and other haxes
 
TheRustyOne said:
Search would tell him Donflamingo's abilities.

Search tells him basically everything about anyone he looks at, including their location and weaknesses. I know everything is NLF, but he should get some basic knowledge about Donflamingo's power. And Shigaraki is shown to produce an explosion to get Star off of him, while she was pinning him down.

I have no idea if any of that is helpful.
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It's drastically helpful. Thank you. Finally not a stonewall

But from what I know of MHA, Search doesn't tell everything like specific techniques and such, it mainly tells the location and weaknesses (like it says), and since it's pretty much never told specific abilities, I don't know about that.

To top it all off, in the case of if I'm wrong above and it would talk about basic knowledge, Doflamingo's Parasite isn't basic knowledge. The basic thing about his ability is that he controls strings. His applications wouldn't be on top of it. This is shown because no one except his circle knows about Parasite.

Now with the issue of the explosion, the point is that he wouldn't know what to use it for. When Parasite hits him, he won't say "oh snap, that's parasite, boom boom", because he wouldn't know of it.
 
KingTempest said:
It's drastically helpful. Thank you. Finally not a stonewall

But from what I know of MHA, Search doesn't tell everything like specific techniques and such, it mainly tells the location and weaknesses (like it says), and since it's pretty much never told specific abilities, I don't know about that.

To top it all off, in the case of if I'm wrong above and it would talk about basic knowledge, Doflamingo's Parasite isn't basic knowledge. The basic thing about his ability is that he controls strings. His applications wouldn't be on top of it. This is shown because no one except his circle knows about Parasite.

Now with the issue of the explosion, the point is that he wouldn't know what to use it for. When Parasite hits him, he won't say "oh snap, that's parasite, boom boom", because he wouldn't know of it.
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Tomura has body control and etc to break parasito
 
KingTempest said:
It's drastically helpful. Thank you. Finally not a stonewall

But from what I know of MHA, Search doesn't tell everything like specific techniques and such, it mainly tells the location and weaknesses (like it says), and since it's pretty much never told specific abilities, I don't know about that.
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Only bare bone abilities. It'll tell him that he can control and create threads, but how he uses those threads is something Donflamingo does himself and is not a super power. So yes he won't know about parasite, as that is not a super power granting by his ability.

But a very cleaver way of using his strings/threads. Think of Luffy, he'll know that his body is made of rubber but how he attacks will be unknown. Now locations and weaknesses are a bonus. They even said including location and weaknesses, not just location and weaknesses. As he knew Izuku was the holder of OFA, and he knew the person he was tracking had OFA as well. Nor did he seem shock to see Izuku use multiple Quirks.

However physically controlling someone will give off a very clear sensation. To be accurate he should feel the strings pulling on his body correct? Will Donflamingo be able to kill Tomura before he can realize he is being controlled like a puppet. Especially since Search would've told him if he had a body controlling or paralysis ability. Which means his body not listing to him has to relate to his strings/threads.

I admit to not knowing anything about Donflamingo, so this could be very wrong. How does Parasite even work? The explanation I've gotten aren't very clear on it.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Only bare bone abilities. It'll tell him that he can control and create threads, but how he uses those threads is something Donflamingo does himself and is not a super power. So yes he won't know about parasite, as that is not a super power granting by his ability.

But a very cleaver way of using his strings/threads. Think of Luffy, he'll know that his body is made of rubber but how he attacks will be unknown. Not that locations and weaknesses our a bonus. They even said including location and weaknesses, not just location and weaknesses. As he knew Izuku was the holder of OFA, and he knew the person he was tracking had OFA as well. Nor did he seem shock to see Izuku use multiple Quirks.

However physically controlling someone will give off a very clear sensation. To be accurate he should feel the strings pulling on his body correct? Will Donflamingo be able to kill Tomura before he can realize he is being controlled like a puppet. Especially since Search would've told him if he had a body controlling or paralysis ability. Which means his body not listing to him has to relate to his strings/threads.

I admit to not knowing anything about Donflamingo, so this could be very wrong. How does Parasite even work? The explanation I've gotten aren't very clear on it.
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And tomura has body control and omni directional explosions and air canon and AFO resisidng in him to help him out
 
KingTempest said:
It's drastically helpful. Thank you. Finally not a stonewall

But from what I know of MHA, Search doesn't tell everything like specific techniques and such, it mainly tells the location and weaknesses (like it says), and since it's pretty much never told specific abilities, I don't know about that.

To top it all off, in the case of if I'm wrong above and it would talk about basic knowledge, Doflamingo's Parasite isn't basic knowledge. The basic thing about his ability is that he controls strings. His applications wouldn't be on top of it. This is shown because no one except his circle knows about Parasite.

Now with the issue of the explosion, the point is that he wouldn't know what to use it for. When Parasite hits him, he won't say "oh snap, that's parasite, boom boom", because he wouldn't know of it.
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It does give basic knowledge from what I remember, also when it says “deployed and dispersed” it shows Burnin, who Shigaraki never saw the condition of, yet he somehow knows that (either that or it”s for cinematic showing, and I’m being stupid and having a brain fart)? It’s probably surface level knowledge, nothing to important (Like parasite, awakening, or wtf Haki is/does) but enough to know the string is probably a projectile, so scatter (as I said above, this would only be temporary, simply because of the amount Don creates)
for the explosion (cough cough, ****** NUKE), AFO (who is hiding inside shigaraki’s body like a ******* gremlin) can given him information, And he has shown to be able to deduce how tomura’s spine was in terms of condition even when possessing and likely not physically feeling anything in the body, so he may be able to say “string is your body, use the explosion)
 
Acer__ said:
It does give basic knowledge from what I remember, also when it says “deployed and dispersed” it shows Burnin, who Shigaraki never saw the condition of, yet he somehow knows that (either that or it”s for cinematic showing, and I’m being stupid and having a brain fart)? It’s probably surface level knowledge, nothing to important (Like parasite, awakening, or wtf Haki does) but enough to know the string is probably a projectile, so scatter (as I said above, this would only be temporary, simply because of the amount Don creates)
for the explosion (cough cough, ****** NUKE), AFO (who is hiding inside shigaraki’s body like a ******* gremlin) can given him information, And he has shown to be able to deduce how tomura’s spine was in terms of condition even when possessing and likely not physically feeling anything in the body, so he may be able to say “string is your body, use the explosion)
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And tomura also has genius inteligence
 
TheRustyOne said:
Where did Shigaraki show this ability. I admit to being stupid, but when did this happen?
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It was one of the abilities AFO mentioned he uses to find his way around but he never named it. Tomura is stated to have all his powers and has the original AFO so he should have it as well.


KingTempest said:
Doflamingo is 550 with his weakest moves. He can use more strings and just amp his AP further.
"Prove his ap gets amped enough" the dude is only 16% higher than Doffy.
"I hope you realize Endeavor's flames have 7-A force" I hope you realize Doflamingo is 550 without trying.

He can just use move

Air cannon is a blast from his hands. Doffy's not going to use parasite on his hands.

Why would he use rivet stab if he doesn't know what's stopping him from moving?

You keep saying this technique when it's absolutely useless
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Endeavor’s 550 megatons with his typical moves as well. He’s higher with Prominence Burn much like how Doffy is higher with Awakening.

What?

Both AFO and Shigaraki have shown the ability to unleash it as an omnidirectional blast.

Wouldn’t Search inform him of Doffy’s powers?
 
Insert_creative_name_here_12 said:
It was one of the abilities AFO mentioned he uses to find his way around but he never named it. Tomura is stated to have all his powers and has the original AFO so he should have it as well.



Endeavor’s 550 megatons with his typical moves as well. He’s higher with Prominence Burn much like how Doffy is higher with Awakening.

What?

Both AFO and Shigaraki have shown the ability to unleash it as an omnidirectional blast.

Wouldn’t Search inform him of Doffy’s powers?
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Search should be able to do that
 
TheRustyOne said:
Only bare bone abilities. It'll tell him that he can control and create threads, but how he uses those threads is something Donflamingo does himself and is not a super power. So yes he won't know about parasite, as that is not a super power granting by his ability.

But a very cleaver way of using his strings/threads. Think of Luffy, he'll know that his body is made of rubber but how he attacks will be unknown. Not that locations and weaknesses our a bonus. They even said including location and weaknesses, not just location and weaknesses. As he knew Izuku was the holder of OFA, and he knew the person he was tracking had OFA as well. Nor did he seem shock to see Izuku use multiple Quirks.
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Pretty much
TheRustyOne said:
However physically controlling someone will give off a very clear sensation. To be accurate he should feel the strings pulling on his body correct? Will Donflamingo be able to kill Tomura before he can realize he is being controlled like a puppet. Especially since Search would've told him if he had a body controlling or paralysis ability. Which means his body not listing to him has to relate to his strings/threads.

I admit to not knowing anything about Donflamingo, so this could be very wrong. How does Parasite even work? The explanation I've gotten aren't very clear on it.
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What I will do is explain Parasite, show you the showings (they aren't that many) to you, and you can be the judge of it'll be sensed or now.

Doflamingo attaches ridiculously small (to the point where they appear invisible) strings to the neck of his victims, giving him full control of their bodies.

Several Observation Haki users are shown to have been affected and not notice the ability at play, and also not notice what is holding them. Shown here, here, here, here, and here.

He can use this alongside his ginormous birdcage to manipulate many more victims, although he can manipulate many victims without the birdcage.

The sensation is logically supposed to be there, but people don't know it or feel it in series. Even people with broken sensory abilities don't notice it.

So idk if he'll notice that he's there
 
KingTempest said:
Pretty much

What I will do is explain Parasite, show you the showings (they aren't that many) to you, and you can be the judge of it'll be sensed or now.

Doflamingo attaches ridiculously small (to the point where they appear invisible) strings to the neck of his victims, giving him full control of their bodies.

Several Observation Haki users are shown to have been affected and not notice the ability at play, and also not notice what is holding them. Shown here, here, here, here, and here.

He can use this alongside his ginormous birdcage to manipulate many more victims, although he can manipulate many victims without the birdcage.

The sensation is logically supposed to be there, but people don't know it or feel it in series. Even people with broken sensory abilities don't notice it.

So idk if he'll notice that he's there
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I was more talking about AFO, AFO is mentally inside Shigaraki’s head but can seemingly perfectly collect information on shigaraki’s body (like his spine Being shattered.)
I also wonder how it interacts with super Regen because it Regens as soon as the attack leaves it’s Mark but I don’t want to think of that rn
but I do believe if even if he can’t sense it when he couldn’t control his body he’ll likely just use everything he can to try and get it off, so the nuke comes out eventually.
And after that he’ll likely put on scatter so when it impacts him it just leaves goes away from him. Or he can use Rivet Stab, which can activate the abilities of a quirk when combined with forced quirk activation (something AFO has done), shown when he controlled kurogiris quirk while he(kurogiri) was unconscious so unable to make he decisions himself (apparently DF’s and Quirk’s are both dna based so it may work) under AFO’s affects he controlled where the portal led and such, so he could control doffy’s strings cursed thought, but what if he used the strings the kill him
 
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