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As the pages for tokyo ghoul currently are, they do not reflect the actual showings from the characters in the manga
Dragon (Kaneki’s fourth key) is rated at city level for causing a massive earthquake originating from 5 kilometers below Tokyo.
Ken Kaneki | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom
User blog:NikHelton/Tokyo Ghoul total revision | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom
However, the high high end was accepted, when it was suggested by DMUA that the low end be used, which for some reason was ignored.
Screenshot_2021-01-16_233050.png (688×100) (discordapp.com)
The low end is 612 Kilotons of TNT, Large Town
The OP attempted to use the devastation of Tokyo's surface seen in chapter 163 to justify a possible higher end. The problem is this was caused by its rampage on the surface over night, not via the initial earthquake:
Tokyo Ghoul:re Chapter 145 (***********.com)
Furthermore, the explosion calc on Dragon’s Key is inflated. A member of the calc team redid the calc in the comment section, getting Small Town
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U..._total_revision?commentId=4400000000001043578
Town level is also far more narratively consistent as well, as overtime it’s volume would expand tenfold:
3.jpg (1115×1600) (***************.com)
At this hypothetical level it is stated that it could destroy Tokyo, but it was dispersed before it could grow more.
0149-010.png (1115×1600) (granpulse.us)
0149-011.png (1115×1600) (granpulse.us)
Tldr, Kaneki’s fourth key should be changed to: Large Town level, higher overtime
The link to the explosion should be changed to jasonsith’s calc, and the earthquake calc page can remain as is, as it includes the large town calc.
User blog:NikHelton/"Tokyo Ghoul" lvl up | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom (last calc)
The fourth calc here technically should be lower than small town
It looks like the tentacles are directed away from the PoV, but it's measuring them as though they're angled horizontally parallel to it
I made a new calc:
User blog:Cyberblader9/Kaneki destroys dragon v2 | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom
The calc has been accepted:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...troys_dragon_v2?commentId=4400000000002059105
The high end should be used, as kagune flesh (what dragon is made of) is stated to be as hard as steel:
0001-037.png (1115×1600) (granpulse.us)
The high end is 406.45 tons of TNT, Multi City Block
Furthermore, this was done via replicating touka’s kagune, which upon activation releases a shockwave far stronger than the kagune itself
Kaneki’s example
The shockwave: 0177-012.png (2133×1530) (granpulse.us)
His regular kagune and durability in comparison:
0177-007.png (1115×1600) (granpulse.us)
0177-008.png (1115×1600) (granpulse.us)
Touka’s Example:
Shockwave:
0084-010.png (1115×1600) (granpulse.us)
0084-011.png (2133×1530) (granpulse.us)
In comparison, one of the weapons her shockwave stopped can pierce her uncle Renji Yomo with no resistance. He is stronger and more durable than she is.
0086-010.png (1115×1600) (granpulse.us)
Tdlr, Kaneki’s fifth key should just be:
CIty Block (far stronger than eto), Multi City Block with kagune shockwave.
Kaneki’s durability for his fifth key likewise should be changed to city block as well
As such, Furuta’s second key should be changed to City Block for ap and durability, as he was not exposed to this move
Edit:
I've seen people on discord argue that kaneki destroying the dragon mechanisms can be more impressive than the proposed calcs suggest, due to dragon being completely unharmed by tank fire
Imgur: The magic of the Internet
The problem is that this was Prime dragon, before being split into oviducts.
This doc explains what that entails in full detail:
Eto Yoshimura | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom
“Casually obliterated a gigantic compactor made out of Quinque steel.”
User blog:NikHelton/Eto destroys the steel compactor | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom
There are a few issues with this. Eto did not destroy “obliterate” the compactor, only separating into large pieces and leaving some of those slightly bent and cracked.
0075-002.png (2133×1530) (granpulse.us)
Screenshot_2021-01-15_114213.png (1275×887) (discordapp.com)
ox9YnYS.jpg (875×248) (imgur.com)
Secondly the calc is inflated. It’s measuring the people way in the back as if they’re on the same plane as the compactor, and then comparing the destroyed area directly, which leads to an inflated size.
Just eyeballing it I would think 30% hollowness is also too low. There’s a ton of empty space there, plus most of the material isn’t even destroyed despite the calc measuring it as if the entire volume was fragmented, which it observably isn’t.
Also, since the pieces of the compactor are intact, fragmentation cannot be used.
Edit:
I have removed the city block calc and the suggestions, as that calc is also unusable (exlpained in the crt below)
Instead the current protocol is to use the currently accepted building scaling from saiko and upscale from there.
Suggested edits will be at the end of this, as a doc.
Roma Hoito | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom
Roma should get a second key for her kakuja
Her kakuja is rated sss even currently, putting her in the same league as eto and yoshimura
0135-008.png (1115×1600) (granpulse.us)
Urie breaking her kakuja should be considered an outlier for him, as he did it without framing out, and was consistently shown to be be inferior to her kakuja:
0135-007.png (1115×1600) (granpulse.us)
0136-017.png (1115×1600) (granpulse.us)
0136-018.png (1115×1600) (granpulse.us)
Urie in base when he does the outlier:
0137-002.png (2133×1530) (granpulse.us)
0137-003.png (1115×1600) (granpulse.us)
As such, her second should be:
Attack Potency: Building, Possibly Higher (Is on the same league as Eto and Yoshimura)
Durability: Building, Possibly Higher
Matasaka Kamishiro (Shachi) | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom
Shachi’s keys need to be changed. First key should be building with kagune, as he beat kaneki while he had his kagune active. Second needs to be downgraded, as the justification given is not in reference to kakuja seidou or amon, but rather their base states.
First key should be:
Attack Potency: Wall level (Comparable, if not superior, to other ghouls, defeated Kaneki while neither while using their Kagune), Building level while using his Kagune (Defeated Kaneki when both were using their Kagune, and was stated to be holding back)
Durability: Wall level, Building level while using his Kagune
Second key:
Attack Potency: Small building level+ (Destroyed a concrete bridge with a punch), Building Level, possibly higher with Kagune (Called the second most dangerous enemy of the CCG, which puts him on the same danger level as Base Amon and Seido)
Durability: Small Building level+, Building level, possibly higher with Kagune
Donato needs to be downgraded, as he only fought base part 2 Amon, not his kakuja form
Attack Potency: Wall level physically (comparable if not superior to other ghouls), Building level, possibly higher with Kagune (His clone easily overpowered both Urie and Higemaru, compare with Amon)
Durability: Wall level, Building, possibly higher with Kagune
Final Note
Striking strength would need to be changed to reflect the new stats for each character.
Here is my recommended edits:
That's it for ap revisions
Dragon
Dragon (Kaneki’s fourth key) is rated at city level for causing a massive earthquake originating from 5 kilometers below Tokyo.
Ken Kaneki | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom
User blog:NikHelton/Tokyo Ghoul total revision | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom
However, the high high end was accepted, when it was suggested by DMUA that the low end be used, which for some reason was ignored.
Screenshot_2021-01-16_233050.png (688×100) (discordapp.com)
The low end is 612 Kilotons of TNT, Large Town
The OP attempted to use the devastation of Tokyo's surface seen in chapter 163 to justify a possible higher end. The problem is this was caused by its rampage on the surface over night, not via the initial earthquake:
Tokyo Ghoul:re Chapter 145 (***********.com)
Furthermore, the explosion calc on Dragon’s Key is inflated. A member of the calc team redid the calc in the comment section, getting Small Town
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U..._total_revision?commentId=4400000000001043578
Town level is also far more narratively consistent as well, as overtime it’s volume would expand tenfold:
3.jpg (1115×1600) (***************.com)
At this hypothetical level it is stated that it could destroy Tokyo, but it was dispersed before it could grow more.
0149-010.png (1115×1600) (granpulse.us)
0149-011.png (1115×1600) (granpulse.us)
Tldr, Kaneki’s fourth key should be changed to: Large Town level, higher overtime
The link to the explosion should be changed to jasonsith’s calc, and the earthquake calc page can remain as is, as it includes the large town calc.
Kaneki destroying dragon “mechanisms”
The justification used for Kaneki’s 5th key.User blog:NikHelton/"Tokyo Ghoul" lvl up | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom (last calc)
The fourth calc here technically should be lower than small town
It looks like the tentacles are directed away from the PoV, but it's measuring them as though they're angled horizontally parallel to it
I made a new calc:
User blog:Cyberblader9/Kaneki destroys dragon v2 | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom
The calc has been accepted:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...troys_dragon_v2?commentId=4400000000002059105
The high end should be used, as kagune flesh (what dragon is made of) is stated to be as hard as steel:
0001-037.png (1115×1600) (granpulse.us)
The high end is 406.45 tons of TNT, Multi City Block
Furthermore, this was done via replicating touka’s kagune, which upon activation releases a shockwave far stronger than the kagune itself
Kaneki’s example
The shockwave: 0177-012.png (2133×1530) (granpulse.us)
His regular kagune and durability in comparison:
0177-007.png (1115×1600) (granpulse.us)
0177-008.png (1115×1600) (granpulse.us)
Touka’s Example:
Shockwave:
0084-010.png (1115×1600) (granpulse.us)
0084-011.png (2133×1530) (granpulse.us)
In comparison, one of the weapons her shockwave stopped can pierce her uncle Renji Yomo with no resistance. He is stronger and more durable than she is.
0086-010.png (1115×1600) (granpulse.us)
Tdlr, Kaneki’s fifth key should just be:
CIty Block (far stronger than eto), Multi City Block with kagune shockwave.
Kaneki’s durability for his fifth key likewise should be changed to city block as well
As such, Furuta’s second key should be changed to City Block for ap and durability, as he was not exposed to this move
Edit:
I've seen people on discord argue that kaneki destroying the dragon mechanisms can be more impressive than the proposed calcs suggest, due to dragon being completely unharmed by tank fire
Imgur: The magic of the Internet
The problem is that this was Prime dragon, before being split into oviducts.
This doc explains what that entails in full detail:
How dragon works
docs.google.com
Eto and characters who scale to her
Eto’ second key is currently scaled to small town for destroying a steel compactorEto Yoshimura | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom
“Casually obliterated a gigantic compactor made out of Quinque steel.”
User blog:NikHelton/Eto destroys the steel compactor | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom
There are a few issues with this. Eto did not destroy “obliterate” the compactor, only separating into large pieces and leaving some of those slightly bent and cracked.
0075-002.png (2133×1530) (granpulse.us)
Screenshot_2021-01-15_114213.png (1275×887) (discordapp.com)
ox9YnYS.jpg (875×248) (imgur.com)
Secondly the calc is inflated. It’s measuring the people way in the back as if they’re on the same plane as the compactor, and then comparing the destroyed area directly, which leads to an inflated size.
Just eyeballing it I would think 30% hollowness is also too low. There’s a ton of empty space there, plus most of the material isn’t even destroyed despite the calc measuring it as if the entire volume was fragmented, which it observably isn’t.
Also, since the pieces of the compactor are intact, fragmentation cannot be used.
Edit:
I have removed the city block calc and the suggestions, as that calc is also unusable (exlpained in the crt below)
Instead the current protocol is to use the currently accepted building scaling from saiko and upscale from there.
Suggested edits will be at the end of this, as a doc.
Other Revisions:
Roma Second Key
Roma Hoito | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom
Roma should get a second key for her kakuja
Her kakuja is rated sss even currently, putting her in the same league as eto and yoshimura
0135-008.png (1115×1600) (granpulse.us)
Urie breaking her kakuja should be considered an outlier for him, as he did it without framing out, and was consistently shown to be be inferior to her kakuja:
0135-007.png (1115×1600) (granpulse.us)
0136-017.png (1115×1600) (granpulse.us)
0136-018.png (1115×1600) (granpulse.us)
Urie in base when he does the outlier:
0137-002.png (2133×1530) (granpulse.us)
0137-003.png (1115×1600) (granpulse.us)
As such, her second should be:
Attack Potency: Building, Possibly Higher (Is on the same league as Eto and Yoshimura)
Durability: Building, Possibly Higher
Shachi Revision
Matasaka Kamishiro (Shachi) | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom
Shachi’s keys need to be changed. First key should be building with kagune, as he beat kaneki while he had his kagune active. Second needs to be downgraded, as the justification given is not in reference to kakuja seidou or amon, but rather their base states.
First key should be:
Attack Potency: Wall level (Comparable, if not superior, to other ghouls, defeated Kaneki while neither while using their Kagune), Building level while using his Kagune (Defeated Kaneki when both were using their Kagune, and was stated to be holding back)
Durability: Wall level, Building level while using his Kagune
Second key:
Attack Potency: Small building level+ (Destroyed a concrete bridge with a punch), Building Level, possibly higher with Kagune (Called the second most dangerous enemy of the CCG, which puts him on the same danger level as Base Amon and Seido)
Durability: Small Building level+, Building level, possibly higher with Kagune
Donato Downgrade
Donato Porpora | VS Battles Wiki | FandomDonato needs to be downgraded, as he only fought base part 2 Amon, not his kakuja form
Attack Potency: Wall level physically (comparable if not superior to other ghouls), Building level, possibly higher with Kagune (His clone easily overpowered both Urie and Higemaru, compare with Amon)
Durability: Wall level, Building, possibly higher with Kagune
Final Note
Striking strength would need to be changed to reflect the new stats for each character.
Here is my recommended edits:
Tokyo Ghoul AP revisions
docs.google.com
That's it for ap revisions
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