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Since I am not satisified with the rebukes from answers in the previous thread I figured I would just make it again. (https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/982229)
Tier 1 ToAru.
Now, everyone should know by now that Toaru consists of 11 dimensions due to teleporters using it as a go between.
This makes Carissa's All dimensions severing spell High 1-C, as it severs all dimensions being higher or lower. This can only refer to spacial dimensions.
To my knowledge, and to other experienced readers, ToAru is not your typical fictional verse that confuses parralel dimensions or worlds as "dimensions". Dimensions in this series has only ever been refered to in the spatial sense. If anyone has a quote saying otherwise I'd like to see it.
So we have multiple instances of people interacting with higher dimensions, with carissas Curtana original using it as a attack ability.
Now we move to the more interesting quote that I was not aware of until recently.
"Please wait!! He…he really did bend the entire world before my eyes! It was like…like this… It's hard to explain, but the walls, floor, and ceiling all turned into weapons, tunnels appeared in the people in the way, and they all attacked me at once!"
"Have you forgotten?" Othinus sounded almost utterly exasperated. "This is the Dianoid. The entire building is made of carbon materials. That means you don't need control over every phase, every dimension, and every element to manipulate everything around you. A magician with control over carbon and nothing else can pull that one off."
Here Othinus is referring to the power she once had as a true magic god. Now in terms of cosmology there are only phases and dimensions, which has been at the heart of countless arguments for years. Since Othinus already mentioned the phases of the world there is, and I want to emphasize this since it was looked over previously, there is no possible other way to interpret this statement other than as spatial dimensions.
Other evidence that supports the upgrades:
The Magic gods exist outside of the universe, the hidden world. DontTalk wrote this before he left the wiki
a) it is a place in which the concepts of distance and time in general don't matter.
b) "The world was temporarily led to destruction as a result, but I still had to prioritize this. It wasn't easy converting coordinates filled with non-existent numbers into decimal."
-Aleister needed time to calculate the coordinates, even though a middle schooler in to aru can calculate 11 dimensional trajectories in their head.
-every coordinate in common math is made up entirely of existing numbers, no matter the dimensions. That the place has coordinates with non-existent numbers basically shows that a non-existant place really can not be located like a "place" in space and time, even when accounting for higher dimensions.
While in a sense one could think that the terminology "non-existent" makes the fact that it is different than being just outside of a timeline, in a higher dimension, clear, I think in regards to our tiering this is an interesting little detail.
Tier 1 ToAru.
Now, everyone should know by now that Toaru consists of 11 dimensions due to teleporters using it as a go between.
This makes Carissa's All dimensions severing spell High 1-C, as it severs all dimensions being higher or lower. This can only refer to spacial dimensions.
To my knowledge, and to other experienced readers, ToAru is not your typical fictional verse that confuses parralel dimensions or worlds as "dimensions". Dimensions in this series has only ever been refered to in the spatial sense. If anyone has a quote saying otherwise I'd like to see it.
So we have multiple instances of people interacting with higher dimensions, with carissas Curtana original using it as a attack ability.
Now we move to the more interesting quote that I was not aware of until recently.
"Please wait!! He…he really did bend the entire world before my eyes! It was like…like this… It's hard to explain, but the walls, floor, and ceiling all turned into weapons, tunnels appeared in the people in the way, and they all attacked me at once!"
"Have you forgotten?" Othinus sounded almost utterly exasperated. "This is the Dianoid. The entire building is made of carbon materials. That means you don't need control over every phase, every dimension, and every element to manipulate everything around you. A magician with control over carbon and nothing else can pull that one off."
Here Othinus is referring to the power she once had as a true magic god. Now in terms of cosmology there are only phases and dimensions, which has been at the heart of countless arguments for years. Since Othinus already mentioned the phases of the world there is, and I want to emphasize this since it was looked over previously, there is no possible other way to interpret this statement other than as spatial dimensions.
Other evidence that supports the upgrades:
The Magic gods exist outside of the universe, the hidden world. DontTalk wrote this before he left the wiki
a) it is a place in which the concepts of distance and time in general don't matter.
b) "The world was temporarily led to destruction as a result, but I still had to prioritize this. It wasn't easy converting coordinates filled with non-existent numbers into decimal."
-Aleister needed time to calculate the coordinates, even though a middle schooler in to aru can calculate 11 dimensional trajectories in their head.
-every coordinate in common math is made up entirely of existing numbers, no matter the dimensions. That the place has coordinates with non-existent numbers basically shows that a non-existant place really can not be located like a "place" in space and time, even when accounting for higher dimensions.
While in a sense one could think that the terminology "non-existent" makes the fact that it is different than being just outside of a timeline, in a higher dimension, clear, I think in regards to our tiering this is an interesting little detail.
