ToAru revisions part 1

[LazyHunter]

@ZERO7772

I mean, from what we've been told Aiwass at full power should supposedly be stronger than the Magic Gods, though so far the Aiwass who has appeared in-story is just its weaker version without a physical avatar that at the most has curbstomped an Invisible Thing stronger than the one who stopped LPSaD Fiamma attack and terrified him.

@SchroKatze

If you have a quote for that we can add causality manipulation, not concept.

 

[ZERO7772]

I am fine with Upgrading aiwass i was just saying we can maybe wait for him, we can put him as uknown at full power or we can just ignore his full power key for now

Anyway i think we all agree on adding 3-A to alister ?

 

[Muhammedmco]

If people like Othinus would be upgraded, doesn't that mean that Touma should be upgraded as well? Can anyone help me to remember and refresh me memory about this case?

 

[ZERO7772]

He could Negate Gungnir thrown at him but it was considered outlier iirc

 

[Muhammedmco]

So that's no, right?

 

[ZERO7772]

Dunno what they think of his feat now, he's more than likely to surpass the magic gods once he have full control over the power beyond right hand so it doesn't bother me if he gets Upgrade now

 

[Muhammedmco]

So it's an okay that touma can be upgraded

 

[ZERO7772]

You will have to ask Lazu hunter and Lord Aizen they are more expert than me, Kakeru can defeat 2-A magic gods but he is rated as Low 2-C and Touma scale to him

I don't think he will be upgraded tbh

 

[LazyHunter]

I'm unsure of what to do with Touma and Kakeru. WR destroyed a phase shift and the narration said it could reject and exile even a Magic God at full power. IB is the equivalent "shield", negated and destroyed Othinus' Gungnir and can be used to undo phase shifts. But then there's the times Touma struggles with regenerating powers and the like.

 

[ZERO7772]

Touma and Kakeru are pain to rate tbh, i suggest leaving them for now

Just like you said Lazy said, touma struggles with awiass who was far Far inferior to magic god's in his current status, he struggles even with Black Wing Accel

 

[Antvasima]

@LazyHunter

Should I unlock the profiles for you?

 

[LazyHunter]

Yes, I can start with them now.

 

[ZERO7772]

What will be our justification again ?

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Muhammedmco]

Okay. I'm kinda lost here. What would bs the final upgrades guys?

 

[ZERO7772]

High 1-C for all the god tier

 

[Antvasima]

I have unlocked the following pages:

Othinus

High Priest

Niang-Niang

Nephthys

Proserpina (To Aru)

Nuada (To Aru)

Tezcatlipoca (To Aru)

Chimera (To Aru)

Zombie (To Aru)

The Forgotten God

Aleister Crowley

Aiwass

 

[Antvasima]

Tell me here when you are done.

 

[Muhammedmco]

But doesn't that make Touma 5-B with Imagine Breaker, possibly High 1-C?

 

[ZERO7772]

Touma is for another day

 

[LazyHunter]

All Magic Gods are High 1-C: Othinus' reasoning would be that she has control over an 11-D world, which she can freely warp and destroy hundreds of millions of times over. Magic Gods can destroy that same world by simply moving and are much, much stronger than her. Aleister could fight High Priest and survive with his Blasting Rod, so his upper tier for that also becomes High 1-C.

Aiwass get split into two keys: hypothetical full power as High 1-C since it's supposed to be superior to Magic Gods and an "At least 5-B, likely far higher" for its regular form for curbstomping an IT stronger than the IT that was far stronger than Fiamma of the Right

 

[Muhammedmco]

Touma is for another day

Excuse me, but i don't get it.

 

[ZERO7772]

Now i think about it, Othinus have 11-D power and true magic gods are FAR superior to her doesn't that make them At least High 1-C ?

EDIT; Never mind after reading the tier systeam they are still 11-D even if they infinitely superior to her

 

[Muhammedmco]

Yeah! That's True!

 

[ZERO7772]

Touma is for another day

Excuse me, but i don't get it.

Touma is hard to rate so we are saving his rating discussion for another day

 

[Muhammedmco]

I see.

But still, i'm pretty sure that he can be High 1-C because as stated, Imagine Breaker allows him to nullify all divine aspects.

 

[ZERO7772]

More than likely he will be tier 1 don't worry

 

[Muhammedmco]

As long as an expert like you agree about this, then i'm not worried

But one has to think about when to make a thread about Touma's Tier 1 Upgrade.

 

[LazyHunter]

All the Magic Gods are done, Aleister and Aiwass will take a little while.

 

[ZERO7772]

Weren't we supposed to upgrade Carissa wit her all dimensions severing spell ?

 

[LazyHunter]

I'm doing the locked pages first so that they can be relocked, her page is unlocked so if you want to add it feel free.

 

[ZERO7772]

Sure thing ~

 

[ZERO7772]

Done ~

 

[ZERO7772]

You think we need to upgrade Index as well ?

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

When Aiwass isn't upgraded because of this... And he's blatantly above the Magic Gods... BRUH

Shouldn't Index be higher because she has the potential to be a Magic God ?

 

[ZERO7772]

Why Alister Dura is still Human level when he survived and fought High priest ? Whatever he power up his speed and Dura scale

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

....Eh ? If that's the case, and there are no inconsistencies , an upgrade should be warranted.

 

[ZERO7772]

Gods are High 1-C, Alister took direct attack from them yet his dura is human level lol

 

[LazyHunter]

Okay we upgrade Aleister's durability to High 1-C, but only if we give Tsuchimikado High 1-C for his normal handgun that can be found anywhere and make gravity in Index High 1-C too, since Aleis-tan was worried about Touma making them fall from her magic broom XD

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I agree, However, something concerns me. On https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kamisato_Kakeru this page, it stated: "with the narration stating he can reject and kill even a Magic God at full power" .

Wouldn't this scale to him and Imagine Breaker, since both are apparently equals, but to a much lower extent than the actual Magic Gods ?