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Tier High 6-A The Battle of the Beast Tournament (2023): Monster King Orochi vs Monkey D Luffy
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Popted2
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nothing just a random question, but seriously this thread is being too long
what were the arguments for Orochi again?
because again Luffy future sight can make him evade his attacks, and thanks to Buso and conq he can hit him internally without touching him
and luffy can even grow stronger in this battle, both because the more he laughs he become stronger, and thanks to his reactive power levels
both his own RPL and the Haki one
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i thought it would be fun to hop in here, but 3 PAGES........
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Noneless21
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that's also what i feel, and there's no sight of stopping anytime soon
Eminiteable
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Luffy FRA
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Orochi FRA
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Gayce
Noneless21
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Yeah this is not going to end anytime soon isn't it...
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Seeing into the future is still useless when you literally have no option to escape to begin with
there is no counter Luffy has to orochi skill high 6-A danmaku (with type 2 immortality btw)
How thick does your skull have to be to think that luffy can automatically dodge anything just because he sees it coming
like, luffy could see goku coming in the future with his mftl+ speed, doesn’t matter what precognition luffy uses there is no way bro is going to dodge something that he literally doesn’t have the physical ability to escape from to begin with
this has got to be the most mind bogglingly stupid vs thread argument I have seen in a while
there is no counter Luffy has to orochi skill high 6-A danmaku (with type 2 immortality btw)
How thick does your skull have to be to think that luffy can automatically dodge anything just because he sees it coming
like, luffy could see goku coming in the future with his mftl+ speed, doesn’t matter what precognition luffy uses there is no way bro is going to dodge something that he literally doesn’t have the physical ability to escape from to begin with
this has got to be the most mind bogglingly stupid vs thread argument I have seen in a while
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This is a damn near stomp in Orochi’s favor by the way
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Someone recount the votes
RandomGuy2345
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Ngl me and DD's match was waayy better...
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Seeing future is increase seeing the escape's options
And that also increasing reaction speed
Until Orochi not scaled greatly faster than his own base, then Luffy can still see the escape's options
Also Luffy had speed amps which allowed him to dodge and escape
Idk why youre bring Goku here because Goku is massively faster than Luffy so absolutely Goku can hit him and in this case speed equalized so Orochi need to be greatly faster than his own base
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This match has hit GRACE !
Next Match will be made in a few minutes on the Tournament Thread.
Next Match will be made in a few minutes on the Tournament Thread.
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I voted Luffy for all reasons above
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Voting Luffy
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Of course Adem voted for Orochi
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Okay now it has hit GRACE
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And there is no way to escape from being surrounded by 40 guys who all have 4 times your AP and godly skill and attack reflection, how ******* hard is this to understand
just because he sees it coming doesn’t mean he can do anything to stop it
Martial arts danmaku with type 2 immortality.
This is stupid.
The point is that precognition is completely useless without the means to actually act against what you predicted
king crimson for example can see into the future and can actually change it by skipping time, which affects everyone regardless of how outmatched his speed skill or AP is
This is like king crimson if he couldn’t skip time, and a good example of how beatable that is can be seen in the Doppio vs Risotto fight
TL;DR you have no idea how precognition works
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By the way what heat resistance does luffy scale to
Orochi’s would be the temperature of the earth’s core, at least for Gaia cannon (which is a one shot regardless cause of the AP advantage)
And how exactly is luffy going to put him down when he has type 2 immortality?
Your entire argument is that “he could predict the attacks and not die” even if we assume that stupid ass argument even made any sense, stalling the fight and not dying for a moment does not mean his ass can actually KO Orochi
Orochi’s would be the temperature of the earth’s core, at least for Gaia cannon (which is a one shot regardless cause of the AP advantage)
And how exactly is luffy going to put him down when he has type 2 immortality?
Your entire argument is that “he could predict the attacks and not die” even if we assume that stupid ass argument even made any sense, stalling the fight and not dying for a moment does not mean his ass can actually KO Orochi
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Grace doesn't start if a debate is still going on and not going in an absolutely pointless circle.
Grace exists exactly to give the opposite side the option to retaliate, not to shut down a thread.
DaMonkeMan
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Type 2 and 3 "Immortality" is practically just really good endurance and regen, but it's not like it's impossible to bypass that without power null or something.
All he has to do is get him in that state where he's a helpless blob and he probably wins because it seems that Orochi needs people nearby to absorb and thus regenerate into a state where he can properly fight again.
And Luffy isn't gonna let him charge up a huge beam to evaporate him with so ******* stop with that okay?
All he has to do is get him in that state where he's a helpless blob and he probably wins because it seems that Orochi needs people nearby to absorb and thus regenerate into a state where he can properly fight again.
And Luffy isn't gonna let him charge up a huge beam to evaporate him with so ******* stop with that okay?
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Also, everyone please calm down, before heads start rolling into the RVT.
Remember this is a game and the results are pointless, no need to stress, get heated or be rude.
Remember this is a game and the results are pointless, no need to stress, get heated or be rude.
DaMonkeMan
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Fair point, and I'm not really angry I just find it weird that Ziller keeps parroting the same points.
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I do not care about his regeneration
the problem is the fact that luffy is going to have to somehow blow up a guy who has a higher AP than him
Luffy is going to have to actually destroy orochi, since orochi is not going to be helpless until he is thoroughly beaten to a pulp
which means Luffy would have to somehow last longer than Orochi when he is fighting martial arts danmaku with attack reflection
this is a stupid argument and Luffy has virtually no win condition
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I am repeating myself because you are repeating yourself.
DaMonkeMan
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It's not hard to blow him up and match him when Luffy can passively grow in each stat by just laughing..
Popted2
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and as i and others have already said above Luffy has LOTS of powers that will makes him stronger reducing or even surpassing the AP gap
these were already explained and Gin and others debunked it too
as Monkey already said, this is just going circles at this point,
arguments were made, for BOTH of them, now its up to the others to decide who to vote for, and they did it, they decided and voted for who has the most likely chances to win
DaMonkeMan
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Also, as I said before, Luffy has beaten Martial Arts users ( Lucci, for a prime example )
Avoided Danmaku ( stuff like Kaidou's "Kaifu" )
And has his own Attack Reflection plus he can see it coming with Future Sight.
I forgot to mention but when he fought Blueno and Lucci pre timeskip he could mimick their Soru technique perfectly with Gear 2 and consequently stomped the former with his own techniques.
Avoided Danmaku ( stuff like Kaidou's "Kaifu" )
And has his own Attack Reflection plus he can see it coming with Future Sight.
I forgot to mention but when he fought Blueno and Lucci pre timeskip he could mimick their Soru technique perfectly with Gear 2 and consequently stomped the former with his own techniques.
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Orochi is far more skilled than Lucci.
Kaifu is barely Danmaku, at least compared to Orochi's attacks.
I don't think being fast enough to see that Soru is them kicking the ground 10 times in an instant and then replicating it is at all comparable to what Orochi did.
Orochi instantly copied Garou's WSRSF and WICF from a glance.
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This is like saying “luffy has survived attacks before, therefore orochi can’t win through attacks”
Regardless, as I explained before Orochi’s replication skill feat is insane and he’s easily the one with a skill advantage here, so this point is ass
His danmaku is completely non comparable to Orochi surrounding luffy with his tentacles that are each individually more skilled than him (and also he would have to completely blow up each tentacle since type 2 immortality is gonna stop just punching or stabbing them from doing anything)
If orochi doesn’t just put him down instantly he outlasts luffy
How the hell is he going to kill orochi in the first place
DaMonkeMan
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No shit but so is Luffy by now, it doesn't mean Orochi is gonna clap Luffy via being more skilled than someone he fought 2 whole years ago.
Doesn't matter, he can still at least avoid it especially if he sees it coming.
It's not terribly different..
May I kindly request that you just be quiet due to clearly spamming the same arguments over and over? Thank you.
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Not to you.
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Because you haven’t actually given an answer to most of my arguments
you also have a history of shitposting and being blatantly unwilling to look at character profiles in vs threads
If you want me to be quiet then where’s your argument you silly goose.
You’ve made incredible points like “he would just dodge it” in response to me explaining why he wouldn’t dodge it at all
you’ve provided no actual win condition for Luffy
and you’ve successfully shown everyone that you have no idea what you’re talking about and how precognition works. So no, I’m not going to be quiet tbh.
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