Eden_Warlock99
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So Licorne's speed is still equalized to the dogs, right?
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Tier 9-B Enter the Octagon Tournament: Rachel Lindt vs Licorne
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Apeironaxim
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I am 95% sure that speed equal would equalize to the character, not their minion. Even then, the dogs don't start fully grown and amped, they're amped over time, so it wouldn't matter anyway
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I think everything is made clear can we start the voting now
Pikaman
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It really isn’t tbh, we don’t know how speed works, and then if the dogs speed is even legit for this kind of tournament depending on how fast they are
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What's the conclusion ?
Peppersalt43
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Licorne's poison isn't functional due to the mutated dogs just being a mass of dead flesh and their size will make fighting in the very small arena extremely difficult.
Also speed equal rules on summoners
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Pepper and Apeironaxim also vote for Rachel ?
Peppersalt43
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Obviously and probably
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Updated.
Licorne: 4 (Random, Brutelho, Adem, Psychomaster)
Rachel Lindt: 3 (Demonic, Pepper, Apeironaxim)
Inconclusive:
Licorne: 4 (Random, Brutelho, Adem, Psychomaster)
Rachel Lindt: 3 (Demonic, Pepper, Apeironaxim)
Inconclusive:
Pikaman
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Don’t the dogs blitz a hefty portion of the tournament under this?
Peppersalt43
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Have you seen the difference between peak human and superhuman in the speed page? It's not that big
Pikaman
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Yeah but I was hearing “can catch up with 80MPH flight speeds” and stuff until I pointed out that put them above the AP limit and then it was backtracked
just how fast are the dogs because I seem to be getting a different answer every time depending on what suits them
Peppersalt43
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Currently the accepted one is 40 mph as seen in the calc so use that for now
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From what I've found:
- Several of her dogs kept up with Glory Girl's flight speed, and one of them moved to block an attack from her directed at Rachel, although she later notes she's faster than them, especially so since they need to maneuver around buildings
- They run "fast enough to outpace any car you'd find on the street"
Noneless21
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I think imma vote for Rachel FRA
Eden_Warlock99
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Would taking Rachel hostage stop the dogs?
Pikaman
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Apparently the dogs can stay big for 15 minutes even after Rachel stops trying to hold the transformation together, so beating Rachel to incap the dogs does not seems viable strategy
Eden_Warlock99
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No, I mean like using Rachel as a meat shield
Pikaman
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Taking her hostage only proves a standstill at best, though Rachel might stop the dogs from attacking Licorne to protect herself, he’s incapable of winning from that scenario either, which would just be an hour long standstill, time would run out according to tournament rules, and it’s declared incon.
It’s a possible strategy but Licorne has to get to Rachel first
It’s a possible strategy but Licorne has to get to Rachel first
Eden_Warlock99
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Lico can potentially blind the dogs with his suit jacket and his pepper spray, he does that in-character. Lico also has the mobility advantage, what with his small size and skill
Lico has a knife, so he could probably threaten Rachel into forfeiting match
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Rachel FRA
Peppersalt43
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I mean, I don't think pepper spray does much to a mass of flesh and a suit jacket doesn't help as they can use their sense of smell
And she has giant dogs who will probably tear him apart if he tries it. Seriously, a gun would do a better job for that
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4-7 votes
Peppersalt43
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I think that's grace
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Grace
Eden_Warlock99
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Lico really only needs a few seconds to sneak up on Rachel
Is the gallery image official? Since they have eyes there
Lico still has the mobilty and skill advantage, no?
He also has amazing aim (Lico threw an umbrella like a javelin and the tip of the umbrella slid right into the silencer of the assassin)
Pikaman
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The dogs have to have eyes somewhere that are not encased in flesh, pepper spray would absolutely disorientate them enough to leave them stunned for one or two seconds, which is feasibly time enough for Licorne to take Rachel hostage
Peppersalt43
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In a tiny open arena while being cramped by van-sized dogs
We already established that her dogs still have autonomy and mutations even after she's incapacitated. Plus that's not really threatening anymore, is it?
How? The dogs are in a flesh sack inside the giant mass! How will pepper spray penetrate all the way in?
Pikaman
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If the dogs were so shrouded in mass that their very eyes were completely shielded, then they would be blind...
Peppersalt43
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According to her profile at least, they are in the middle so at least any damage or sensation done to the eyes or nose outside will not physically hurt or affect the creature in the middle of the thing
I don't think the mechanic of how they see or hear in the middle of that mass is explained but I do know that hurting the outside part has no effect on the dog inside controlling the mutated dog
Pikaman
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Hurting the “inside dog” is completely irrelevant if hurting the “mutated dog” is still enough to make it react to pain. Such as pepper spray in the eyes disorientating the dogs temporarily, and stunning them for enough time to hold Rachel hostage. If the dogs are genuinely unstoppable vehicle sized balls of flesh that cannot even be hurt, then what are they even doing in a tournament like this?
Peppersalt43
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You see that's the problem, pepper spray isn't conventional harm. It's basically poison. And they are unaffected by poison due to just being a mass of flesh
Pikaman
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Yes, but they have to have eyes, as already mentioned, that’s a classic weak spot pepper spray can target. The gallery image quite literally shows they have eyes, which they assuredly rely on for sight, not only would pepper spray hurt like hell and disorientate the dogs, but it would blind them for a while as well. They aren’t indestructible mechs being controlled by a dog within, the mutated dogs are still very much living creatures that have weak points and can be harmed.
Peppersalt43
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Actually, no. The dogs are resistant to pain as seen here where they get scratched till wounded and shrug it off
Rachel Lindt
Rachel Lindt, known as Bitch by her allies and Hellhound to her enemies, is a member of the Undersiders. Rachel's personality is obfuscated by several factors. One is her lack of education that has left her largely illiterate and forced her to adapt to the world in other ways, such as developing...
Again, everything outside is basically dead flesh that is only affected by appropriate abilities and physical harm. Pepper spray is a poison and as said here, that won't work
Pikaman
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I don’t have to prove that since the dogs have eyes, which are NOT dead flesh, this would be where Licorne would aim anyways also
Peppersalt43
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Everything outside is made of dead flesh. There is no proof that there are places not made of dead flesh or a material completely different than anywhere else
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Pretty sure her dogs were explicitly immune to poison, disease and drugs when transformed but I can't find when this is stated since parahumans is goddamn long. Even if that's wrong she can just add mass to cover their eyes, like a box over them with a hole so far ahead he can't realistically pepper spray but they can still see. She's entirely in control of adding mass to her dogs. So he pepper sprays 1 gigantic dog that would logically take a long time for the pepper spray to pass through the (non-existant necrotic and logically immune to pepper spray) system of it and then she just makes the rest too hard to do that again.
On top of that making the dogs grow is a full heal.
Grow from normal that is.
So any given dog could just run off, shrink then grow again. Instantly not blind even if they were blind which they are not because they are multiple times over immune.
Oh also voting for the bitch the other guys best plan is to mildly annoy a single target in a fight where he's outnumbered.
On top of that making the dogs grow is a full heal.
Grow from normal that is.
So any given dog could just run off, shrink then grow again. Instantly not blind even if they were blind which they are not because they are multiple times over immune.
Oh also voting for the bitch the other guys best plan is to mildly annoy a single target in a fight where he's outnumbered.
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