Tier 9-B Enter the Octagon Tournament: Chris Jericho vs Tsukasa Shishio

[DivineAura44]

HAPPY FEET, WO-

I can confirm that is not falco.

 

[Pikaman]

Tsukasa's isn't a chump with a blade tho. If he can just wear down Jericho, this move could work.

Not likely given this match caps at an hour and Jericho’s stamina

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

to boil it down, my wincon for Tsukasa is

A. that he stays for the most part in the sweetspot of range, possibly backing up whenever Jericho approaches

B. deals a vital blow in the initial action, hitting the side or an arm essentially weakening Jericho if they go to grapples

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

wait what if we give Jericho a chair /j

 

[DivineAura44]

Not likely given this match caps at an hour and Jericho’s stamina

True but that's a sword. It's if you had a finishing move but spammable. Jericho can't take a hit like he usually does. He needs to dodge every single strike from a weapon with decent range. If Tsukasa can chip him once or twice, it's probably wraps.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Tsukasa's isn't a chump with a blade tho. If he can just wear down Jericho, this move could work.

Jericho can just duck under and target Tsukasa's legs, which will definitely end up letting him drop his sword which would lead to Jericho ending this with the Codebreaker.

To point this out, since Tsukasa will open with his sword, Jericho will be more desperate than ever to end the fight, as he's at a clear range disadvantage, so Jericho using the Codebreaker early on is definitely something he will do here.

wait what if we give Jericho a chair /j

Then Jericho will likely win here, as this match is already extremely close despite the range disadvantage Jericho has, so imagine if the range disadvantage nullified by giving Jericho a chair. Plus Jericho has Weapon Mastery as well, so Jericho will be able to use the chair extremely proficiently.

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

I do want to mention, but when it comes down to fists, Jericho falls slightly behind in AP

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

so Jericho will be able to use the chair extremely proficiently.

Chair vs sword dual

 

[RandomGuy2345]

True but that's a sword. It's if you had a finishing move but spammable. Jericho can't take a hit like he usually does. He needs to dodge every single strike from a weapon with decent range. If Tsukasa can chip him once or twice, it's probably wraps.

It's going to take way more than 1 or 2 chips to take Jericho.

Jericho has Pain Tolerance, which allows him to fight on despite severe amounts of blood loss with little to no issue.

 

[Pikaman]

True but that's a sword. It's if you had a finishing move but spammable. Jericho can't take a hit like he usually does. He needs to dodge every single strike from a weapon with decent range. If Tsukasa can chip him once or twice, it's probably wraps.

Really depends where, Jericho has pain tolerance, great stamina, experience with range disadvantage, instinctive reaction, for a guy who’s strictly never faced a swordsman, he sure does have a good toolkit for dealing with one. And again, disarming is an option, a well timed move and Jericho nulls his biggest disadvantage

 

[Pikaman]

I do want to mention, but when it comes down to fists, Jericho falls slightly behind in AP

True but it’s very slight and the Codebreaker exists

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I do want to mention, but when it comes down to fists, Jericho falls slightly behind in AP

An AP gap that's:

1. Negligible
2. Get's nullified thanks to Jericho's Codebreaker
and
3. Irrelevant thanks to Jericho knowing fully well how to deal with having the disadvantage in power

 

[DivineAura44]

Jericho can just duck under and target Tsukasa's legs, which will definitely end up letting him drop his sword which would lead to Jericho ending this with the Codebreaker.

To point this out, since Tsukasa will open with his sword, Jericho will be more desperate than ever to end the fight, as he's at a clear range disadvantage, so Jericho using the Codebreaker early on is definitely something he will do here.

I don't think you are appreciating the importance of the walls (this is not an actual argument). I mean Codebreaker is cool but that's probably what he'd use instead of an f***ing leg sweep.

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

tbh, I see Tsukasa realistically getting himself killed on that sword if he gets his feet swept

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I don't think you are appreciating the importance of the walls (this is not an actual argument). I mean Codebreaker is cool but that's probably what he'd use instead of an f***ing leg sweep.

That's a fair point lol

But doing a leg sweep (or any move that targets the leg) is by no means out of the question for Jericho.

Plus, don't forget about the Walls of Jericho, or the Liontamer.

 

[Pikaman]

I mean... Jericho could do that too lol

 

[DivineAura44]

It's going to take way more than 1 or 2 chips to take Jericho.

Jericho has Pain Tolerance, which allows him to fight on despite severe amounts of blood loss with little to no issue.

Ok but to argue there would be a difference is crazy. I'm not arguing the chips kill Jericho, but instead weaken him.

 

[Pikaman]

Also if we are talking slicey v pokey with the sword here’s him sticking it straight forward

 

[DivineAura44]

That's a fair point lol

But doing a leg sweep (or any move that targets the leg) is by no means out of the question for Jericho.

Plus, don't forget about the Walls of Jericho, or the Liontamer.

Or the lionsault if he's feeling risky

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Ok but to argue there would be a difference is crazy. I'm not arguing the chips kill Jericho, but instead weaken him.

Oh, I'm not saying it's not going to hinder Jericho whatsoever, I'm just saying that Jericho has stamina/pain tolerance to ignore it before he eventually succumbs to it (which will take a while btw).

Also if we are talking slicey v pokey with the sword here’s him sticking it straight forward

Instinctive Reactions got this covered.

Or the lionsault if he's feeling risky

A lionsault off the cage would a sight to see lol

 

[Pikaman]

A lionsault off the cage would a sight to see lol

Yeah Jericho getting skewered would also be a sight to see

 

[RandomGuy2345]

THE HYPE LEVELS ARE OVER 9,000!!!

 

[DivineAura44]

Worse case scenario for either of the fighters is just stalemate. If either of them go on the offensive they probably lose.

 

[Pikaman]

Yeah Jericho getting skewered would also be a sight to see

Thankfully he’s not stupid so he wouldn’t try that

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Thankfully he’s not stupid so he wouldn’t try that

Now imagine if this was Austin Theory trying to do some stupid shit off the cage.

Honestly, that would be funny asf to see.

 

[DivineAura44]

Oh, I'm not saying it's not going to hinder Jericho whatsoever, I'm just saying that Jericho has stamina/pain tolerance to ignore it before he eventually succumbs to it (which will take a while btw).

I was saying that slight weakening is the opening Tsukasa would need.

 

[Pikaman]

Worse case scenario for either of the fighters is just stalemate. If either of them go on the offensive they probably lose.

Hmmmm well if you wanna argue strategies Jericho has more of a reason to play defensive given Tsukasa’s sword, while Tsukasa, who has dominated nearly every fight against men in spandex he’s ever had, would have more reason to be cocky, especially with his sword. Also he’s an anime villain

 

[DivineAura44]

Another route could be a Jericho fakeout. His acting skills are ELITE.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I was saying that slight weakening is the opening Tsukasa would need.

Instinctive Reactions say no to a slight weakening.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Another route could be a Jericho fakeout. His acting skills are ELITE.

Dude, I just ******* forgot Jericho has Social Influencing.

OH MY ******* GOD!

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

in these arguments, switching to Jericho, in light of

1. Tsukasa using a weapon that'd greatly restrict it's usability compared to a traditional variation of the weapon, so not only will his defense be hindered but there's the equal possibility that Jericho takes advantage of the opposite side

2. Jericho has greater skill, and more experience with fighting differing styles and disciplines, on top of instinctive reaction, it altogether makes this a brutal match up

 

[DivineAura44]

Instinctive Reactions say no to a slight weakening.

Bruh I got shut down by IR like 5 times this thread. F IR, all my homies hate IR.

 

[Pikaman]

OH WAIT YEAH WTF WERE WE DOING

he can bait Tsukasa into stuff

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

still roughly equal difficulty, but slight edge to jericho

 

[Pikaman]

in these arguments, switching to Jericho, in light of

1. Tsukasa using a weapon that'd greatly restrict it's usability compared to a traditional variation of the weapon, so not only will his defense be hindered but there's the equal possibility that Jericho takes advantage of the opposite side

2. Jericho has greater skill, and more experience with fighting differing styles and disciplines, on top of instinctive reaction, it altogether makes this a brutal match up

Welcome to the dark side

This has been such a great debate, I’m just so scared of waking up to a damn FRA train

 

[DivineAura44]

Welcome to the dark side

This has been such a great debate, I’m just so scared of waking up to a damn FRA train

Tsukasa FRA

 

[Pikaman]

Tsukasa FRA

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Bruh I got shut down by IR like 5 times this thread. F IR, all my homies hate IR.

To explain IR instead of just saying it, Jericho was hit by Jeff Hardy's Twist of Fate (finishing move), and when Jeff went up to the top to hit the Swanton Bomb (his other finishing move), Jericho instinctively dodged it, which even left the commentators shocked.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Tsukasa FRA

Wait, was this an actual vote?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Also, we're forgetting about Jericho's Social Influencing as well.

I think Jericho takes this extremely high diff due to having more win cons here.