Tier 6 Nasuverse Calc Discussion (II)

[Dangai_Ichigo]

Also if I recall Dragons are supposed to be able to destroy entire countries or something.

What series was that from?

https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon#cite_note-Berserkermatrix-1

03 - Supersonic Due to her skill "Innocent Monster," Elizabeth has been incarnated as a dragon demon of mixed blood.
Dragons have the strongest weapon which makes use of all their attributes: Dragon Breath. If a red dragon, fire; if a blue dragon, electricity; if a black dragon, acid. Their breath has a wide area of effect.
...According to a certain rulebook, the breath's damage value is the same as their physical damage. That physical damage has long since surpassed humans, but when you think of it being spread equally among the members of an entire army, for a single dragon to destroy an entire country seems reasonable.
Elizabeth's Dragon Breath is made up of ultrasonic waves. Since she has been incarnated as a demon, her lungs have become converted spiritual worlds so a terrifying lung capacity has become hers. With the amplification provided by her Noble Phantasm, Elizabeth's voice could be called a noise that could resound through a portion of the Tokyo Dome and destroy it.
This is the moment that Saber's rival, in both name and reality, is born.

 

[KnightOfSunlight]

''Welp. Back onto the ride.''

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

I do believe it is an statement from one of the material books, would need to find it. But again, lets not use Ranks as hard rules and more as guidelines.

And yes, but the uncertain way it mentions destroying an army instead of a territory, kinda feels to me like destroying a country as in their armies and not as in nuking the whole place in a single breath. That said, Sieg as a dragon overpowered both Luminosite Eternalle and Lord Chaldeas, while only Karna as far as we know could overpowered Luminosite Eternalle with his Brahmastra Kundala, so Servants can't really scale to them.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

It also depends on the function on the Noble phantasm. Gawain's calc us reliant on the sun's heat. His entire things is about the sun. That shouldn't scale to most lol


I think it would be an interesting find at the very least.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

It can though, since a weapon of a similar rank should have similar power. even if it isn't shot out as a radial wave of heat.

True.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

True true, btw you might have to put a message on DMUA's wall about your message on the calc blog. We don't get blog notifications

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Oh shit right. I have classes so I will do it later, or if you feel like it you can do it Upgrade, just gotta copypaste my message.

 

[DMB_1]

I think that creating an object as bright as the sun is 7-B or something. Not that it would really matter here though.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

So, just to be clear, what servants get the At least 7-A, likely 6-C tier? Like, what rank power wise

 

[Schnee_One]

Almost all of them

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Alright cool. Where do we tier divine beasts at the current moment? What about the Dead Apostles and DAA?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I'll go through and update the Extra servants btw

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I'm not sure how to change the tier of Tamamo due to her multipliers, so someone else will have to get that. I'll get the others tho

 

[Schnee_One]

Well whats the current tiering x7?

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Oh shit right. I have classes so I will do it later, or if you feel like it you can do it Upgrade, just gotta copypaste my message.

i sent one to him

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

The best I can say about Divine Beasts is that they scale above Servants at worst. The Pegasus is merely a Phantasmal Class Beast and it's already above Arthoria, many times over in pure defense too. The Divine Bulls could create thunder with just as much magical power as Arthoria attacking at the top of her might without really trying, and they aren't even divine Beasts.

DAA are supposed to be "equal but a bit below" Servants in general, with it varying from Apostle to Apostle. Roa, for example, should scale to the more powerful ones in his prime.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Thanks

I can go through Tsukuhime and melty blood if need be then. I've already gone up to Karna in the extra servants. I'm not 100% on what to change about him so I'll leave him to someone else, and I'll get the rest later

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Depends if you can take the horrible quality of Tsukihime :U

Until Nasu retakes the damn thing and we get Tsukihime 2 and need to redo everything,

 

[PsychicCipher]

It is stated that Ozymandias' Dendera Bulb has the power of a solar flare. Aren't they 6-A instead of 6-B?

 

[DMB_1]

Didn't he defeated by Charles, Nero and Tamamo combined? Whatever the result of Carl's NP, we can divide it to 3 and give the result to each servant at least.

Actually, as far as I remember, there's a 4th Servant present in the fight that varies in each run. The player can choose to use whichever one they want to, but a specific one appears at the final cutscene were Karl dies:

• Astolfo in the 1st run

• Jeanne in the 2nd one

• Also Jeanne in the 3rd one.

I think

Also, when Gilgamesh was sealed, I don't remember how they did so, but Karl said that he knew he couldn't be hend for long. Granted, that may be due to Karl being exceptionally optimistc whenever one of his own minions fails in battle.

Additionally, I don't even remember how in the final battle, no one got oraclized, despite Jeanne being so the first time she fought Rex Magnus. So whether the final battle is PIS-ish or not, idk.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Phew, finally all the servants and characters who are in tier 7 are finished (with me joining the edit bandwagon tho i'm bit reckless because my limitation in mobile lel)! That mean we can move on to the NP scaling later

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

Thanks for everybody's help.

 

[Schnee_One]

Now for more matches

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Now that Hinako are here, i can start making a spam matches for her, also Ivan the Terrible had his page too so.....POWA TO TERA INTENSIFIES