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Tier 6 Nasuverse Calc Discussion (II)

Can we FINALLY go with this?

The AP one shot thingy is only used in VS Matches I believe, so it's not very relevant when determining things in the story.
 
Play safe. We still have the "likely"

And I don't really care about the Tier, just get the normal Servant AP out of the "invalid" phase.
 
Someone's going to bring it up in the future because of a vs thread....

reiatsu crush GG


+ We can't just give them mountain tier without a quantifiable fest to use, and if going by statements them they become baseline or low 7B, right? Then we need to do the scaling chain from there. Which could push some characters even lower... If going by a calc they should get somewhere like 400 ~900 megatons with accurate back scaling which results in everyone's being 7-A by a metric assload... I don't see anyway that can't be possible...

High 7-A likely 6-C NP's


7-A (At least 400 megatons [likely way more] physical stats)?????? That's what we're going for???


Just went to say. I still completely disagree with scaling from pulverization when vaporization is factual, but due to popular demand I'll go with the option everyone else chose.


I also completely disagree with that statements > Consistent calcs notion.


But again, I'm fine with 7-A likely 6-C. It can be added.
 
Not so complicated thing here. They get 7-A by backscaling from low end of the Rhon Calc (The Rhongomyshot Lion King shot Gawain should be weaker than the ones she shot the villages) and 6-C by backscaling from the high end (Why a likely is because Gawain surviving it is unexpected)

But then, Ishtar did a 6-C feat by shooting a beam from her boat, so... she get a solid 6-C, while the weaker ones get a likely 6-C on top of 7-A?
 
Just to clarify... I'm not stonewalling this.. I just would like clarity for how far into 7-A will they be..
 
Probably in the higher ends of 7-A since they backscale from a near baseline High 7-A feat. So most likely in the 900 megaton range.
 
Yep. Backscaling would usually get you at borderline class AP, just below the baseline of the Tier they backscale from.
 
No? Okay, just to set some things straight. They aren't back scaling because they should be weaker than the village ones, they are because Gawain nearly died. Its scalable because, even if barely, he DID survive, but still only barely. So it obviously is above his durability, but shouldn't be by much. That's the whole idea behind backscaling, sort of.

Secondly, they shouldn't be near the top of 7-A, unless we have reason to think something not even 2 times stronger somehow puts Gawain neae the brink of death.

Thirdly, the divide is because of uncertainty. 7-A is viable because any statement or feat we find on Servants is on tier 7, and the majority of those isn't even 7-A. Destroying mountains is only 7-B if we don't know the size and go for a lowball, and those are statements for Herk who is among the physically strongest. 6-C on the other hand has nothing else at all on that level supporting it, but we know Ron is more likely to vaporize and it isn't TOO far away from Tier 7. It is usable, but overall much more shakey. Hence relegating it to likely.
 
> Majority isn't 7-A...

> many tier 7 feats...

What other 7-A feats are there that we haven't mentioned yet that isn't a statement? Why are we picking 7-A??? What is the jusitification....? How far into 7-A are they?

(Is actually really confused right now)

[we can still go ahead and do the whole 7-A Likely 6-C though]
 
Upgrade, Jesus Christ, what are you confused about? I am more confused what exactly you don't get?

The only ones would be the destroying mountain ones, we just go with lowball if there's nothing else or a mountain size given, which there isn't ans would give 7-B at best. But backscaling from High 7-A backs up that it likely means mountains big enough to give 7-A results.

I am just... incredibly confused why you keep asking why we go with 7-A. Like I've said I don't know how many times, the value is much closer to the statements we get for Servant abilities, so it's the much safer rating. I've said this multiple times, am I just wording it weird?

And no specific amount. There's no exact number, but Gawain barely survived and the attack was barely above baseline High 7-A, so unless we wanna believe he got destroyed by something barely more than 2x stronger, it should be below 500 Megatons.
 
LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
And no specific amount. There's no exact number, but Gawain barely survived and the attack was barely above baseline High 7-A, so unless we wanna believe he got destroyed by something barely more than 2x stronger, it should be below 500 Megatons.
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Thats litearlly all i needed was that chunk right there...
 
I'm honestly thinking we never done this thread because Upgrade being silly here

Can we at least CONCLUDE THIS once for all!? For mother of god sake
 
So, basically we're ready to go? I can help if you guys want. No need for further evaluation and such? What are the tiers for normal AP and NP, from EX to C? (Because D to E is 9-B)
 
NPs are not yet clear.

AP for STR EX to E are 7-A, likely 6-C

The 9-Bs are for those who are really established to be very weak (Mata Hari, Servant Angra Mainyu)
 
Shouldn't be too hard. It's should just be adding "likely 6-C to 7-A peoples. It's a matter of who edits what.

I'm editing the Nasuverse page and whoever are associated with the feats, like Gawain, Herc, Angra, and Shirou. And I'm also editing the stay night and Extra people.
 
LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
And no specific amount. There's no exact number, but Gawain barely survived and the attack was barely above baseline High 7-A, so unless we wanna believe he got destroyed by something barely more than 2x stronger, it should be below 500 Megatons.
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^ Because of this reasoning, the + from 7-A needs to be removed.
 
While we are adding the stat changes, can we also add the resistances and type 9, along with the other stuff that got approved from the General Nasuverse revisions?
 
There's also limited Self-fate manipulation (To avoid danger, or disadvantageous outcomes with high enough luck stat), and resistance to Fate manipulation and causality manipulation due to high enough luck stat got approved, but never got added lol

because I been working too much overtime
 
Diinou HotHead said:
Yep.
Can you put the changes to be added here?
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Anyone with charisma with A or above has mind manip that is no longer minor. It's basically passive mind hax

Not just servants, but anyone who has a body/mind needs resistance to soul manip, as these things naturally protect the soul in the nasuverse.

All servants get Type 9 Immortality based on their throne record, but its non-combat applicable and they need someone else to summon them back from the throne to return from it.

Everyone with Innocent Monster needs Empowerment.
 
NPs should totally be AT LEAST High 6-C. I don't remember where it was said, but there was a statement about even a Rank C NP, in pure damage, being equal to a Rank A/A+ attack. Again, NPs scale way above Servants in most cases barring some exceptions, and I just don't see them scaling equal to, or below, something that failed to kill Gawain while Lion King seriously tried to kill him.

For the higher level ones, a good option would be making the Tesla calc and making it an official one to get reviewed, then scale the higher level NPs with a Possibly (whatever tier it's decided as best), mentioning that full power could refer to True Name release, which is hax and would be an EX rank NP so it couldn't be used to scale, hence the Possibly since it's never clarified. Also perhaps scaling to Galatine if what I said to DMUA about statements of Galatine holding a Pseudo/Artificial Sun in it's hilt change the possible heat in the Galatine Calc.
 
LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
NPs should totally be AT LEAST High 6-C. I don't remember where it was said, but there was a statement about even a Rank C NP, in pure damage, being equal to a Rank A/A+ attack. Again, NPs scale way above Servants in most cases barring some exceptions, and I just don't see them scaling equal to, or below, something that failed to kill Gawain while Lion King seriously tried to kill him.
For the higher level ones, a good option would be making the Tesla calc and making it an official one to get reviewed, then scale the higher level NPs with a Possibl (whatever tier it's decided as best), mentioning that full power could refer to True Name release, which is hax and would be an EX rank NP so it couldn't be used to scale, hence the Possibly since it's never clarified. Also perhaps scaling to Galatine if what I said to DMUA about statements of Galatine holding a Pseudo/Artificial Sun in it's hilt change the possible heat in the Galatine Calc.
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Do you know what series had that Rank C NP = Rank A rank strength??? I could go find it


I like the idea of having some at the "Possibly" mark with the indeterminate way to accurately scale them, or accurately apply it.
 
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