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Tier 4 Ben 10?

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administrator @Firestorm808 someone please message him to come here he's knowledgeable on the verse and did tons of research of Dagon when he collected his statements.
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
Bored rn so decided to make a list of every character that would be affected by this upgrade, as well as explaining why:
  • Highbreed and Galvan weaponry (Upscales from the Element X bomb, Sugilite’s crystal and Ma Vreedle’s sun destroying ray, as Azmuth stated only the Galvan possessed the technology to fight back against the Highbreed)
  • Ascalon and its wielders (The greatest weapon created by Azmuth and by extension the Galvan, and is so advanced that its been compared to magic. Possessed more power than Vilgax has ever known despite physically holding Sugilite’s crystal and most likely being aware of Ma Vreedle’s sun destroying ray)
  • Dagon and Dagonax (Scales to Ascalon. He also described his heart as holding “infinite power” and having enough power to conquer the universe)
  • Lucubra Vilgax (Fought against Sir George and Eatle)
  • Eatle’s peak energy absorption (Fought against Lucubra Vilgax alongside Sir George)
  • Chromastone’s peak energy absorption (Scales to Sugilite who can merge with his crystal. Absorbed a beam from Dagon powerful enough to noticeably harm him)
  • Anodite Gwen and Verdona (Scales above Sir George and Lucubra Vilgax. Gwen was confident that she could take on the entire Highbreed fleet by herself)
  • Ultimate Way Big (Scales to Dagon)
  • Malgax (Believed that Ben couldn’t defeat him despite fighting against peak Eatle before, who can reach these levels incredibly easily. Scales above Atomix. Scales to Fourth Form Malware who absorbed Galvan tech of unknown potency)
  • Fourth Form Malware (Malgax uses his power. Absorbed Galvan tech of unknown potency)
  • Atomix (Can briefly fight against Malgax. Stated to be Ben’s second strongest alien)
  • Atomic-X (Scales above Atomix. Superior to Future Kai who wields Excalibur, which is repeatedly described as an invincible sword by Joseph Chadwick despite him knowing about Ascalon)
  • Maltruant (Scales above Atomic-X. Described by DJW as being a combination of “clockworks from legendary beings, cosmic powers and science so advance it seems like magic”. While most of this is very vague, the last part is noticeable as to my knowledge only Ascalon is described this way)
  • Ultimate Ben before I downgrade him (Scales to Ultimate Way Big)
EDITS:
  • Forgot Albedo has Ultimate Way Big so he’d need to be updated as well.
  • Hex and Charmcaster with Hex’s staff scale above Anodite Gwen so they would be affected.
Not counting those who don’t have profiles yet (e.g Future Kai), is there anyone I missed?
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Summary of the stuff. Someone gotta staff look at it tho.
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
Bored rn so decided to make a list of every character that would be affected by this upgrade, as well as explaining why:
  • Highbreed and Galvan weaponry (Upscales from the Element X bomb, Sugilite’s crystal and Ma Vreedle’s sun destroying ray, as Azmuth stated only the Galvan possessed the technology to fight back against the Highbreed)
  • Ascalon and its wielders (The greatest weapon created by Azmuth and by extension the Galvan, and is so advanced that its been compared to magic. Possessed more power than Vilgax has ever known despite physically holding Sugilite’s crystal and most likely being aware of Ma Vreedle’s sun destroying ray)
  • Dagon and Dagonax (Scales to Ascalon. He also described his heart as holding “infinite power” and having enough power to conquer the universe)
  • Lucubra Vilgax (Fought against Sir George and Eatle)
  • Eatle’s peak energy absorption (Fought against Lucubra Vilgax alongside Sir George)
  • Chromastone’s peak energy absorption (Scales to Sugilite who can merge with his crystal. Absorbed a beam from Dagon powerful enough to noticeably harm him)
  • Anodite Gwen and Verdona (Scales above Sir George and Lucubra Vilgax. Gwen was confident that she could take on the entire Highbreed fleet by herself)
  • Ultimate Way Big (Scales to Dagon)
  • Malgax (Believed that Ben couldn’t defeat him despite fighting against peak Eatle before, who can reach these levels incredibly easily. Scales above Atomix. Scales to Fourth Form Malware who absorbed Galvan tech of unknown potency)
  • Fourth Form Malware (Malgax uses his power. Absorbed Galvan tech of unknown potency)
  • Atomix (Can briefly fight against Malgax. Stated to be Ben’s second strongest alien)
  • Atomic-X (Scales above Atomix. Superior to Future Kai who wields Excalibur, which is repeatedly described as an invincible sword by Joseph Chadwick despite him knowing about Ascalon)
  • Maltruant (Scales above Atomic-X. Described by DJW as being a combination of “clockworks from legendary beings, cosmic powers and science so advance it seems like magic”. While most of this is very vague, the last part is noticeable as to my knowledge only Ascalon is described this way)
  • Ultimate Ben before I downgrade him (Scales to Ultimate Way Big)
EDITS:
  • Forgot Albedo has Ultimate Way Big so he’d need to be updated as well.
  • Hex and Charmcaster with Hex’s staff scale above Anodite Gwen so they would be affected.
Not counting those who don’t have profiles yet (e.g Future Kai), is there anyone I missed?
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At what tier? 4-C, 4-B or 4-A?
 
Hellformer said:
At what tier? 4-C, 4-B or 4-A?
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Lord_Farquaad69420 said:
4-B for galvan and highbreed, and 4-A for dagon + co iirc
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It depends on what is accepted for them to scale above. Ma Vreedle’s rocket is 4-C, Element X is 4-B and the Entropy Pump is 4-A.

Imo they should definitely scale above Ma Vreedle’s rocket and probably scale above Element X, but I’m not sure on the Entropy Pump.
 
Success0906 said:
Are you the least expected one because you are least expected, or are you least expected because you're the least expected one?
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nah_id_win.jpg
 
Success0906 said:
Are you the least expected one because you are least expected, or are you least expected because you're the least expected one?
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nah, he's the least expected one because he's the one who left it all behind using his malevolent void of the infinite shrine.
 
NXCHT.66 said:
And the Upchuck's peak energy absorption can be scaled accordingly?
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I don’t think so tbh, nothing about this affects Upchuck. That would also lead to a huge outlier since Upchuck’s regular blasts could match the Forever King powered by the Sub-Energy. Forever King also survives Upchuck spitting the Sub-Energy back at him, which would make this random armour High 4-C and then lead to the question of why he wasn’t using it in UA.
 
Lord_Farquaad69420 said:
nah, he's the least expected one because he's the one who left it all behind using his malevolent void of the infinite shrine.
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You can also add full title of Emperor Lord Meleus which includes "Destroyer of Galaxies" in the OP.
ben-10-list.fandom.com

Milleous

Due to his high rank, some Incurseans and their allies call Milleous by his full title: Lord Emperor Milleous, light of the Incursean empire, destroyer of galaxies, keeper of the conquest ray, all beings tremble- (at or before this point, the speaker is always cut off). Milleous has a complex...
ben-10-list.fandom.com ben-10-list.fandom.com
 
Reiner04 said:
You can also add full title of Emperor Lord Meleus which includes "Destroyer of Galaxies" in the OP.
www.mycast.io

Milleous Fan Casting for Ben 10/Justice League: The Series | myCast - Fan Casting Your Favorite Stories

Who do you think should play Milleous in Ben 10/Justice League: The Series? Vote now! myCast lets YOU choose your dream cast to play each role in upcoming movies and TV shows.
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I’m still not 100% sure on if this should be considered literally galaxy busting or just an over-time feat, but like you said in the General Discussion thread it would take so long to destroy a galaxy with 5-A weaponry that they’ve probably got some kind of Tier 4 weapon stashed away.

Also if they’re only using tier 5 weapons then that means they’d be destroying one planet at a time, so yeah.
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
I’m still not 100% sure on if this should be considered literally galaxy busting or just an over-time feat, but like you said in the General Discussion thread it would take so long to destroy a galaxy with 5-A weaponry that they’ve probably got some kind of Tier 4 weapon stashed away.
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Yeah that's what I meant, even if overtime feat, being destroyer of galaxies should atleast have Tier 4 weapons in use.
 
Firestorm808 said:
What's the TLDR of this thread so far?
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I think these explain the general gist of things (ignore the mention of Sugilite’s crystal as it doesn’t matter anymore):

Ghengiroo115 said:
Bored rn so decided to make a list of every character that would be affected by this upgrade, as well as explaining why:
  • Highbreed and Galvan weaponry (Upscales from the Element X bomb, Sugilite’s crystal and Ma Vreedle’s sun destroying ray, as Azmuth stated only the Galvan possessed the technology to fight back against the Highbreed)
  • Ascalon and its wielders (The greatest weapon created by Azmuth and by extension the Galvan, and is so advanced that its been compared to magic. Possessed more power than Vilgax has ever known despite physically holding Sugilite’s crystal and most likely being aware of Ma Vreedle’s sun destroying ray)
  • Dagon and Dagonax (Scales to Ascalon. He also described his heart as holding “infinite power” and having enough power to conquer the universe)
  • Lucubra Vilgax (Fought against Sir George and Eatle)
  • Eatle’s peak energy absorption (Fought against Lucubra Vilgax alongside Sir George)
  • Chromastone’s peak energy absorption (Scales to Sugilite who can merge with his crystal. Absorbed a beam from Dagon powerful enough to noticeably harm him)
  • Anodite Gwen and Verdona (Scales above Sir George and Lucubra Vilgax. Gwen was confident that she could take on the entire Highbreed fleet by herself)
  • Ultimate Way Big (Scales to Dagon)
  • Malgax (Believed that Ben couldn’t defeat him despite fighting against peak Eatle before, who can reach these levels incredibly easily. Scales above Atomix. Scales to Fourth Form Malware who absorbed Galvan tech of unknown potency)
  • Fourth Form Malware (Malgax uses his power. Absorbed Galvan tech of unknown potency)
  • Atomix (Can briefly fight against Malgax. Stated to be Ben’s second strongest alien)
  • Atomic-X (Scales above Atomix. Superior to Future Kai who wields Excalibur, which is repeatedly described as an invincible sword by Joseph Chadwick despite him knowing about Ascalon)
  • Maltruant (Scales above Atomic-X. Described by DJW as being a combination of “clockworks from legendary beings, cosmic powers and science so advance it seems like magic”. While most of this is very vague, the last part is noticeable as to my knowledge only Ascalon is described this way)
  • Ultimate Ben before I downgrade him (Scales to Ultimate Way Big)
EDITS:
  • Forgot Albedo has Ultimate Way Big so he’d need to be updated as well.
  • Hex and Charmcaster with Hex’s staff scale above Anodite Gwen so they would be affected.
Not counting those who don’t have profiles yet (e.g Future Kai), is there anyone I missed?
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Ghengiroo115 said:
It depends on what is accepted for them to scale above. Ma Vreedle’s rocket is 4-C, Element X is 4-B and the Entropy Pump is 4-A.

Imo they should definitely scale above Ma Vreedle’s rocket and probably scale above Element X, but I’m not sure on the Entropy Pump.
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Reiner04 said:
Yeah that's what I meant, even if overtime feat, being destroyer of galaxies should atleast have Tier 4 weapons in use.
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