Tier 4 Ben 10?

[Firestorm808]

Do we have links for the quote statements?

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Do we have links for the quote statements?

I added a few links to my tl;dr, but I don’t have time to find all of them rn as I’ve got to go to sleep.

 

[Hellformer]

Is it a yes from firestorm's side?

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Is it a yes from firestorm's side?

I think they’re waiting until all the quotes and statements are linked before making a decision. Rn I’m slowly adding as many of them I can find to my tl;dr.

 

[Reiner04]

Do we have links for the quote statements?

Galvan techs are only thing capable of defeating Highbreed:


Azmuth telling George that if he didn't stopped Dagon, the entire Universe will fall:


And Incurseans being destroyer of Galaxies is basically every episode Emperor Meleus has introduced himself officially.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Does anyone have a clip of Malgax saying none of Ben’s aliens can defeat him or of Gwen possessed by Dagon boasting about his universe-conquering power? I don’t think the first one is too necessary since it’s already used in Vilgax’s profile (even without a link) and is mentioned on the Ben 10 wiki, but I think the second one is needed. Iirc it’s in the episode “The Creature from Beyond” and happens the second time the Lucubra possesses Gwen.

 

[Hellformer]

I think they’re waiting until all the quotes and statements are linked before making a decision. Rn I’m slowly adding as many of them I can find to my tl;dr.

Oh damn so I can expect the upgrade to take place within this week

 

[Hellformer]

Does anyone have a clip of Malgax saying none of Ben’s aliens can defeat him or of Gwen possessed by Dagon boasting about his universe-conquering power? I don’t think the first one is too necessary since it’s already used in Vilgax’s profile (even without a link) and is mentioned on the Ben 10 wiki, but I think the second one is needed. Iirc it’s in the episode “The Creature from Beyond” and happens the second time the Lucubra possesses Gwen.

This clip?

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Bored rn so decided to make a list of every character that would be affected by this upgrade, as well as explaining why:

• Highbreed and Galvan weaponry (Upscales from the Element X bomb that can destroy a Solar System, Ma Vreedle’s sun destroying rocket, the Incurseans’ supposed galaxy-destroying capabilities (which may be over-time) and possibly the Entropy Pump that can destroy reality on a scale of multiple light years if bombed, as Azmuth stated only the Galvan possessed the technology to fight back against the Highbreed)
• Ascalon and its wielders (One of the greatest weapons created by Azmuth and by extension the Galvan, and is so advanced that its been compared to magic. Possessed more power than Vilgax has ever known despite most likely being aware of Ma Vreedle’s sun destroying rocket and Incursean weapons, as well as possibly Element X)
• Dagon and Dagonax (Scales to Ascalon. He also described his heart as holding “infinite power” and having enough power to conquer the universe*)
• Lucubra Vilgax (Fought against Sir George and Eatle)
• Eatle’s peak energy absorption (Fought against Lucubra Vilgax alongside Sir George)
• Chromastone’s peak energy absorption (Absorbed a beam from Dagon powerful enough to noticeably harm him)
• Anodite Gwen and Verdona (Scales above Sir George and Lucubra Vilgax. Gwen was confident that she could take on the entire Highbreed fleet by herself)
• Ultimate Way Big (Scales to Dagon)
• Malgax (Believed that Ben couldn’t defeat him (“this time will be different” and “you can’t win”. There’s also another quote while in his ship that’s more blatant*, which is mentioned on both Vilgax’s profile and the Ben 10 wiki’s Malgax Attacks page) despite fighting against peak Eatle before, who can reach these levels incredibly easily. Scales above Atomix. Scales to Fourth Form Malware who absorbed a lot of Galvan tech)
• Fourth Form Malware (Malgax uses his power. Absorbed Galvan tech)
• Atomix (Can briefly fight against Malgax and noticeably harm him with his strongest attack. Stated to be Ben’s second strongest alien)
• Atomic-X (Scales above Atomix. Superior to Future Kai who wields Excalibur, which is described as an “invincible sword” by Joseph Chadwick despite him knowing about Ascalon)
• Maltruant (Scales above Atomic-X. Described by DJW as being a combination of “clockworks from legendary greater beings, cosmic powers and science so advance it’s almost magical”. While most of this is very vague, the last part is noticeable as to my knowledge only Ascalon is described this way)
• Ultimate Ben before I downgrade him (Scales to Ultimate Way Big)

EDITS:

• Forgot Albedo has Ultimate Way Big so he’d need to be updated as well.
• Hex and Charmcaster with Hex’s staff scale above Anodite Gwen so they would be affected.

Not counting those who don’t have profiles yet (e.g Future Kai), is there anyone I missed?

*Quotes I know exist, but can’t find clips for.

Alright so I’ve linked I think every noticeable quote (that I can find), and I’ve also removed mentions of Sugilite’s crystal and added mentions of the Entropy Pump and the Incurseans.

I had to use some Ben 10 Breakdown or reaction clips for this, but hopefully that’s fine.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

This clip?

After Ben detransforms from Atomix, Vilgax boasts about none of Ben’s aliens being able to defeat him. I believe it happens right after the end of that clip.

 

[Reiner04]

Gwen possessed by Dagon boasting about his universe-conquering power

I don't have clip but I do know EXACT quote from IMDB:

> Heed me. If Vilgax acquires my heart, he will have enough power to rule your Universe.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

I don't have clip but I do know EXACT quote from IMDB:

> Heed me. If Vilgax acquires my heart, he will have enough power to rule your Universe.

Well that explains why I couldn’t find the clip, I was looking at the wrong episode lol

 

[DemonicDude]

So instead of properly collecting quotes people are spamming YouTube clips ?


Prepare a Google doc and upload them to Imgur.

 

[Reiner04]

Imgur

Imgur seems to have problem with me. It deleted 50% of my scans off of existence I uploaded this month. While yt has stuff several yrs old.

 

[DemonicDude]

Imgur seems to have problem with me. It deleted 50% of my scans off of existence I uploaded this month. While yt has stuff several yrs old.

Google Drive

I also store stuff in my drive

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Oh damn so I can expect the upgrade to take place within this week

it kinda died, cause i was too busy to bump it

 

[Reiner04]

Well that explains why I couldn’t find the clip, I was looking at the wrong episode lol

If u possibly want anymore scans or clips, you can always get down on ur knees and beg me :]

 

[Ghengiroo115]

If u possibly want anymore scans or clips, you can always get down on ur knees and beg me :]

Nah

 

[DemonicDude]

If u possibly want anymore scans or clips, you can always get down on ur knees and beg me :]

can I do that for you

 

[Reiner04]

Nah

So not right now. Gotcha.

can I do that for you

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

wtf

 

[Firestorm808]

Alright so I’ve linked I think every noticeable quote (that I can find), and I’ve also removed mentions of Sugilite’s crystal and added mentions of the Entropy Pump and the Incurseans.

I had to use some Ben 10 Breakdown or reaction clips for this, but hopefully that’s fine.

Thank you.

Tier 4 seems okay.

How would you guys place the pieces of the scaling chain regarding the technology?

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Thank you.

Tier 4 seems okay.

4-C, 4-B or 4-A?

How would you guys place the pieces of the scaling chain regarding the technology?

Just the tech or how it affects the characters?

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Tier 4 seems okay.

from what i'm told, 2 staff votes = acceptence

How would you guys place the pieces of the scaling chain regarding the technology?

for the highbreed? I'd put x tier with weapons. When it comes to dagon and co, i would tae the scans and say they upscale from galvan and highbreed weaponry

 

[Hellformer]

Expecting the upgrade to be ready within 24h. Let's see

 

[Hellformer]

4-C, 4-B or 4-A?


Just the tech or how it affects the characters?

Shouldn't feedback be upscaled to tier 4(physically)? Since whampire could noticeably harm malgax using feedback's striking strength

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Shouldn't feedback be upscaled to tier 4(physically)? Since whampire could noticeably harm malgax using feedback's striking strength

You can see feedback using his electricity to amp himself, so you could argue that feedback with electricity is tier 4

 

[Hellformer]

You can see feedback using his electricity to amp himself, so you could argue that feedback with electricity is tier 4

Yeah sure

 

[Ghengiroo115]

You can see feedback using his electricity to amp himself, so you could argue that feedback with electricity is tier 4

Yeah you could say Feedback should have up to Tier 4 Striking Strength with his electric amp to his fists. While this is the part of the fight where Malgax’s established power level goes completely out the window and he starts getting owned by mid to high-tier aliens, with the way Feedback’s powers work and how he’s been established to absorb Tier 4 energy before (Fourth Form Malware) I feel it isn’t too unreasonable to say he should have Tier 4 Striking Strength with his electrical amp.

I mean this all depends on if the electrical amp counts as Striking Strength or if it just applies to AP, but since Feedback is literally just punching people with a power amp I don’t see why it shouldn’t be Striking Strength.

 

[Hellformer]

Yeah you could say Feedback should have up to Tier 4 Striking Strength with his electric amp to his fists. While this is the part of the fight where Malgax’s established power level goes completely out the window and he starts getting owned by mid to high-tier aliens, with the way Feedback’s powers work and how he’s been established to absorb Tier 4 energy before (Fourth Form Malware) I feel it isn’t too unreasonable to say he should have Tier 4 Striking Strength with his electrical amp.

I mean this all depends on if the electrical amp counts as Striking Strength or if it just applies to AP, but since Feedback is literally just punching people with a power amp I don’t see why it shouldn’t be Striking Strength.

Thanks for agreeing! But since Feedback is able to compete with 4th form malware who has mftl combat and reaction speed, shouldn't his combat and reaction speed upscale as well? I don't see any point in him being only relativistic

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Thanks for agreeing! But since he is able to compete with 4th form malware who has mftl combat and reaction speed, shouldn't his combat and reaction speed upscale as well? I don't see any point in him being only relativistic

IMO He should, but that’ll come about when I attempt to upgrade the verse’s speed rating. Right now I’m making a list of every noticeable speed feat/statement/scaling I can find.

Although on the topic of Tier 4 Striking Strength Feedback, it’ll probably be better to save that for its own CRT since it’s its own thing.

 

[Hellformer]

Thanks for agreeing! But since he is able to compete with 4th form malware who has mftl combat and reaction speed, shouldn't his combat and reaction speed upscale as well? I don't see any point in him being only relativistic

IMO He should, but that’ll come about when I attempt to upgrade the verse’s speed rating. Right now I’m making a list of every noticeable speed feat/statement/scaling I can find.

Although on the topic of Tier 4 Striking Strength Feedback, it’ll probably be better to save that for its own CRT since it’s its own thing.

Great! Do you have discord so that we can discuss regarding speed scaling since I have my own arguments for speeds ranging from mftl to immeasurable

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Great! Do you have discord so that we can discuss regarding speed scaling since I have my own arguments for speeds ranging from mftl to immeasurable

I don’t think you’ll ever get Immeasurable speed in this economy, but yeah I do have a Discord account.

 

[Hellformer]

I don’t think you’ll ever get Immeasurable speed in this economy, but yeah I do have a Discord account.

Is it the same as your vsbw username?

 

[Reiner04]

I applied the changes on Ascalon page.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

I applied the changes on Ascalon page.

More “possibly” ratings

 

[Reiner04]

More “possibly” ratings

Name: Ghengiroo | possibly Ghengiroo
Keys: Exist | possibly Exist

 

[Reiner04]

IsMalgax scaling or not?

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Name: Ghengiroo | possibly Ghengiroo
Keys: Exist | possibly Exist

 

[Ghengiroo115]

IsMalgax scaling or not?

Should be, since he scales above Eatle and Atomix has that second strongest statement.

With Malgax he’s either a top tier or fodder, there’s no inbetween lol