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The Yellow Flash vs Soba Mask
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What stops Sanji from going invisible and hitting him with Diable Jambe?
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Thank you.
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Sage mode. But i don't think his sage mode is as good as he states but it's still sage mode.
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Sage Mode was never stated to sense invisible people. Only Dojutsu was stated to be able to sense it.
Second Databook Jutsu Files
Rain of Spiders (Amagumo) Amaterasu Kekkei Genkai, Ninjutsu, Offensive, Close range User(s): Uchiha Itachi The ones reflected in these eyes turn to ash!! A black world-destroying conflagration that…
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Only Shima (Ma Toad) was shown to be the only with Sage Mode to be able to sense invisible users.
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false because sensory ninja could already track a invisible personSage Mode was never stated to sense invisible people. Only Dojutsu was stated to be able to sense it.
Second Databook Jutsu Files
Rain of Spiders (Amagumo) Amaterasu Kekkei Genkai, Ninjutsu, Offensive, Close range User(s): Uchiha Itachi The ones reflected in these eyes turn to ash!! A black world-destroying conflagration that…
Only Shima (Ma Toad) was shown to be the only with Sage Mode to be able to sense invisible users.
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Scans?
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Who said it was because of his invisibility that they could sense him?
Heck, Minato couldn't even sense his son getting a Bijuu ripped out of him until Kurama told him to change his chakra into sensory mode.
From what I know, he needs to use 1 mode at a time, and if he's too busy kneading chakra instead of fighting, he's getting kicked. And he would still need to see the attack in order to counter it.
Heck, Minato couldn't even sense his son getting a Bijuu ripped out of him until Kurama told him to change his chakra into sensory mode.
From what I know, he needs to use 1 mode at a time, and if he's too busy kneading chakra instead of fighting, he's getting kicked. And he would still need to see the attack in order to counter it.
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"Minato Uzamaki"
I vote Minato now for the sheer disrespect, also **** Sanji and his perverted ass
I vote Minato now for the sheer disrespect, also **** Sanji and his perverted ass
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I'm pretty sure Minato scales higher in terms of AP than Sanji (Sanji scales from Vergo, who scales to Pica [377.58 Megatons], and Minato scales above Jiraiya. Itachi stated he wouldn't be able to even defeat in his base Jiraiya, and Itachi matched Hebi Sasuke, who managed to destroyed the Uchiha Fortress using Kirin [about 600 Megatons]}. So I'd say Minato ,at the very least, is double Sanji in terms of AP.
The main problem is Stealth Black. I'm not sure if Sanji will immediately go invisible. If he does, then Minato will definitely struggle. However, I think with Minato's experience and intellect, he could probably outsmart Sanji or locate him with the use of Sage Mode. I'm not saying that Sage Mode will be able to sense him while invisible (whether he can or cannot, idk), but since in Sage Mode Minato has enhanced senses, all of his sense are heightened. His vision, hearing will help him in the situation (hearing him move, or seeing his footprint on the ground. Seeing how it's the Whole Cake Island (I'm assuming they're fighting where Sanji fought Luffy), the grass will easily give Sanji away. That's enough time for Minato to quickly tag him. And go from there. Even if it wasn't on the grass, I don't think that would matter too much because of his enhanced hearing anyways. Now, if Sanji instead attacks in the air, instead of on the ground, then that will definitely tough for Minato. But I highly doubt Sanji will stay in the air the whole fight anyways, at least not before Minato tags him.
If he doesn't start with invisibility, Minato can just tag him with Flying Thunder God Technique. Now obviously, he won't start with tagging Sanji, but I think that with Sanji's haki and Air walk, he could easily dodge Minato, even with FTG Kunai's. I think Minato will realize that he will have to tag him to actually stand a chance. And with the tag, regardless of whether Sanji goes invisible or not, Minato can still tag him. And if he can't tag in base, then he'll simply just use Sage Mode, and the fight will go from there.
The only way I can possibly see Sanji winning is, of course him starting invisible, and just staying in the air and attacking from there. Because once he touches the ground, Minato (at least in sage mode) will find him and tag him.
Minato wins easy to mid difficulty
(Please correct me if I'm wrong in evaluating any of them, this is my first big answer x.x)
Edit: I understand that Minato's Sage Mode has very limited time, but I think in this situation he wouldn't even need to use it for so long, all he'd need to do is tag Sanji.
The main problem is Stealth Black. I'm not sure if Sanji will immediately go invisible. If he does, then Minato will definitely struggle. However, I think with Minato's experience and intellect, he could probably outsmart Sanji or locate him with the use of Sage Mode. I'm not saying that Sage Mode will be able to sense him while invisible (whether he can or cannot, idk), but since in Sage Mode Minato has enhanced senses, all of his sense are heightened. His vision, hearing will help him in the situation (hearing him move, or seeing his footprint on the ground. Seeing how it's the Whole Cake Island (I'm assuming they're fighting where Sanji fought Luffy), the grass will easily give Sanji away. That's enough time for Minato to quickly tag him. And go from there. Even if it wasn't on the grass, I don't think that would matter too much because of his enhanced hearing anyways. Now, if Sanji instead attacks in the air, instead of on the ground, then that will definitely tough for Minato. But I highly doubt Sanji will stay in the air the whole fight anyways, at least not before Minato tags him.
If he doesn't start with invisibility, Minato can just tag him with Flying Thunder God Technique. Now obviously, he won't start with tagging Sanji, but I think that with Sanji's haki and Air walk, he could easily dodge Minato, even with FTG Kunai's. I think Minato will realize that he will have to tag him to actually stand a chance. And with the tag, regardless of whether Sanji goes invisible or not, Minato can still tag him. And if he can't tag in base, then he'll simply just use Sage Mode, and the fight will go from there.
The only way I can possibly see Sanji winning is, of course him starting invisible, and just staying in the air and attacking from there. Because once he touches the ground, Minato (at least in sage mode) will find him and tag him.
Minato wins easy to mid difficulty
(Please correct me if I'm wrong in evaluating any of them, this is my first big answer x.x)
Edit: I understand that Minato's Sage Mode has very limited time, but I think in this situation he wouldn't even need to use it for so long, all he'd need to do is tag Sanji.
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Sanji always goes invisible first.
Also, we see that Sage Mode doesn't sense invis/camo.
Also, Sanji can fly, so footsteps won't do much.
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First of all that is imperfect sage mode second of all he is inside of it so he would be harder to sense
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Can you prove that perfect Sage mode can sense invis?
The only thing bad about Jiraiya's sage mode is the amount of nature energy used and that it's not balanced. It never meant that it couldn't do what regular sage mode does.
And no, they couldn't sense the chameleon either. They needed Shima's jutsu to sense it, and Shima is not here.
Edit: Heck, Fukusaku and Shima couldn't even sense it until Shima used her jutsu. Fukusaku was the one who taught Naruto "mastered" Sage Mode, unless you wanna tell me that his is imperfect too.
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Perfect sage mode is superior to normal sensory capabilities that can sense Muu who erases his presense and is invisible
That Chameleon also was summoned by the rinnegan
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Never stated, ever.
Never sensed Muu, ever.
And it was stated to be a chameleon of a certain species so it's not special at all.
Like I sent above, it says camo can only be seen/sensed by Dojutsu, which they don't have. Even regular ninjas with Camo won't be sensed.
Now you're just using headcanon. Minato cannot sense him, and if he does, he won't be able to fight since he'll be focused on sensing.
Minato does not win.
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Sensory ninjas sense Muu Sage Mode sensing has been shown to be vastly superior with range, sensing targets people without it can't sense
A immortal chameleon from the rinnegan yeah not special at all
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Never shown to sense Muu, ever.
That was your headcanon which was never proven.
Even the sensory based group says they couldn't sense him.
So stop lying and saying they can sense him. You're being completely dishonest saying that those random fodder could sense him.
Only dojutsu is able to sense it.
And Sanji's stealth mastery plus his camo isn't getting sensed by Sage Mode or regular sensing.
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I have a scan saying that they can sense him from Onoki already on the thread
Sanjis stealth mastery is basically just his camo
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You had a headcanon statement that you assumed was them sensing him, while other sources directly say that they can't sense him.
No, he had stealth mastery far before his camo.
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Headcannon statement that is a kage saying sensory ninja can sense him
oh wait yeah anyways stealth mastery really isn't anything special without further clarification and pretty much all ninja have stealth mastery
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It says they can sense him, not sense him while he's invisible.
Heck, the user says that they can't sense him.
They sensed him while he was not invisible, which is why when they chase him, he's still visible.
I quote.
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Trust me, I personally believe Minato could sense him (even without lack of proof), but I already told you the consequences of Minato sensing him prior.
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Onoki says they can
also this is accepted for sage mode Extrasensory Perception (Can sense attacks without directly seeing them, allowing him to dodge appropriately and can detect targets over great distances) so lol he can sense his attacks anyways
and how is that relevent literally regular ninjas do this all the time
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Send the scan where it says "you can see him while invisible" because I just debunked it
"Sense attacks without seeing them" ≠ "Sense invisible attacks". It means behind your head, in blind spots, etc. not invisible.
While invisible? Nope
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They can sense not see get that through your head
You can't see either of them its literally the exact same thing
-Sensing attacks from a blindspot: cannot see them
-Sensing attacks from a invisible person: cannot see them
It doesn't matter to them because he can already sense his attacks
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Never said they can sense them
Go check Enhanced Senses because it shows a huge difference.
Not proven. He gets kicked in his face
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Regardless.
If he senses, he has to focus on sensing instead of fighting, and in that time where he's sensing, he gets kicked
If he senses, he has to focus on sensing instead of fighting, and in that time where he's sensing, he gets kicked
