"The words rage and death. Should mean the same thing to you."

[Greatsage13th]

Dr. Livesey (1988 Cartoon)

The word "rum" and the word "death" mean the same thing to you!Dr. Livesey Doctor Livesey is a good natured doctor who sets out on an adventure to find Flint's treasure. He laughs constantly and is very friendly. He worries about the health of not only himself, but also his enemies, and is...

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Guts

Guts also known as "The Black Swordsman", "The One Hundred-Man Slayer" and "The Struggler" was the former raid unit leader of a mercenary group known as the Band of the Hawk and is the main protagonist of Berserk. As a newborn, Guts was taken into a mercenary bandit group after being noticed by...

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Guts end of golden age Griffith retrieval arc is used.

Speed equalized

They are 20 meters away from each other.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Bump

 

[azontr]

Guts stomps.

 

[Shmooply]

Stomp. Livesey obviously helps Guts overcome his trauma for many years, until he becomes stable enough to not be haunted by it. SMH.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Guts stomps.

I mean...at least explain why.

 

[azontr]

Ludicrously higher stamina/endurance, ludicrously higher skill, an 8-A sword he can use to tank the guy's attacks, bombs and dozens of other ranged weapons which can one-shot Livesey, are a portion of Guts' advantages.

He bodies.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Ludicrously higher stamina/endurance, ludicrously higher skill, an 8-A sword he can use to tank the guy's attacks, bombs and dozens of other ranged weapons which can one-shot Livesey, are a portion of Guts' advantages.

He bodies.

Fair enough but Livesey could also one shot Gus via toon force shenanigans besides that he can simply fire flint lock pistols that are separate from his standard speed.

 

[azontr]

I mean if Livesey pulls a gun Guts can just like... use his sword to block the bullet before it's fired. Guts can recognize ranged weapons.

 

[azontr]

Also Livesey's toon-force says literally nothing about him having any form of one-shot capability, what are you talking about?

 

[Greatsage13th]

Also Livesey's toon-force says literally nothing about him having any form of one-shot capability, what are you talking about?

disinflated pirates by stabbing them and unwinded a pirate's facial hair and clothes

 

[Greatsage13th]

I mean if Livesey pulls a gun Guts can just like... use his sword to block the bullet before it's fired. Guts can recognize ranged weapons.

How big of a sword?

 

[azontr]

disinflated pirates by stabbing them and unwinded a pirate's facial hair and clothes

He can't stab Guts cause Guts is so much more skilled that he would neg any and all attempts at a direct confrontation.

How big of a sword?

Nearly as wide as the man himself.

 

[Greatsage13th]

He can't stab Guts cause Guts is so much more skilled that he would neg any and all attempts at a direct confrontation.

Isn't that called running away?

Nearly as wide as the man himself.

What portion of his body isn't covered when he shields himself with his sword?

 

[azontr]

Isn't that called running away?

No, it's called dodging, blocking, parrying, countering, etc. You goober.

Isn't that called running away?

What portion of his body isn't covered when he shields himself with his sword?

...Any portion he isn't shielding.

 

[Greatsage13th]

No, it's called dodging, blocking, parrying, countering, etc. You goober.

Then Livesey would just twist the blade away from guts' hands with a small dinky rapier

...Any portion he isn't shielding.

Livesey would just aim at that portion then. Not like guts could sense his unshielded portions are being targeted

 

[azontr]

Then Livesey would just twist the blade away from guts' hands with a small dinky rapier

Not possible because Guts is a more skilled swordsman + has higher lifting strength, so he can't physically pry the sword from Guts' hands.

Livesey would just aim at that portion then. Not like guts could sense his unshielded portions are being targeted

Not possible, as Livesey definitely isn't getting behind Guts or to his side to shoot at from him either of those points, in any situation he's shooting from the front, and from that point, he has nowhere else to aim but that front, which will be shielded.

 

[Chariot190]

Dragon Slayer is a blade that's over 6ft long (Guts is 6'8'', but has been drawn taller).
And probably over 40-50cm+ wide at its widest point. as it's been consistently drawn about as wide as Guts chest more often than not.

 

[azontr]

Dragon Slayer is a blade that's over 6ft long (Guts is 6'8'', but has been drawn taller).
And probably over 40-50cm+ wide at its widest point. as it's been consistently drawn about as wide as Guts chest more often than not.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/blake-belladona-vs-guts.141358/post-5043618

Actually, the Dragon Slayer was pixel scaled to be over 8 ft long.

 

[Chariot190]

Then Livesey would just twist the blade away from guts' hands with a small dinky rapier

Livesey would just aim at that portion then. Not like guts could sense his unshielded portions are being targeted

Nah he probably could, Guts has literally caught things like arrows mid flight with his hand despite being blindsided and coming from a blindspot.
Let alone the times he's deflected shit.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Not possible because Guts is a more skilled swordsman + has higher lifting strength, so he can't physically pry the sword from Guts' hands.

True. But. Can he resist having his arms and shoulders twisted when this happens?

Not possible, as Livesey definitely isn't getting behind Guts or to his side to shoot at from him either of those points, in any situation he's shooting from the front, and from that point, he has nowhere else to aim but that front, which will be shielded.

his hands are exposed tho...so that can be an option.

 

[Chariot190]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/blake-belladona-vs-guts.141358/post-5043618

Actually, the Dragon Slayer was pixel scaled to be over 8 ft long.

Yeah but that's a bit sus. DS's Blade is usually portrayed as being shorter than him, it's almost as tall, but not quite. That's just some inconsistent art (Given we've had shots of Guts stabbing it into the ground next to himself, or the hundreds of shots of it on his back).
Not that it matters for the match but still.

 

[azontr]

True. But. Can he resist having his arms and shoulders twisted when this happens?

Guts has higher lifting strength than Livesey, again, so, yes.

his hands are exposed tho...so that can be an option.

Wouldn't stop Guts from swinging his sword.

 

[Chariot190]

True. But. Can he resist having his arms and shoulders twisted when this happens?

his hands are exposed tho...so that can be an option.

One of his hands isn't an actual hand, it's a cannon.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Nah he probably could, Guts has literally caught things like arrows mid flight with his hand despite being blindsided and coming from a blindspot.
Let alone the times he's deflected shit.

The match is speed equalized. So the musket pellets would be far faster than guts in this scenario which means catching a musket pellet is not the best idea.

 

[Greatsage13th]

One of his hands isn't an actual hand, it's a cannon.

Wait which key of guts has the cannon?

 

[azontr]

Yeah but that's a bit sus. DS's Blade is usually portrayed as being shorter than him, it's almost as tall, but not quite. That's just some inconsistent art (Given we've had shots of Guts stabbing it into the ground next to himself, or the hundreds of shots of it on his back).
Not that it matters for the match but still.

The validity of the scale doesn't matter, it's not even officially accepted on the site, I was just pointing it out.

 

[azontr]

Wait which key of guts has the cannon?

This key and any key beyond it.

 

[Chariot190]

End of Golden Age, he gets the hand cannon the same time as the DS.
In fact, it's a bit stronger in this key (he tones down the gunpowder in later keys because the recoil is way to much initially).

 

[Greatsage13th]

Guts has higher lifting strength than Livesey, again, so, yes.

Okay

Wouldn't stop Guts from swinging his sword.

It's either he's standing still blocking or rushing at livesey like a madman. He can't do both.

 

[Greatsage13th]

End of Golden Age, he gets the hand cannon the same time as the DS.
In fact, it's a bit stronger in this key (he tones down the gunpowder in later keys because the recoil is way to much initially).

Ah, I see.

 

[azontr]

It's either he's standing still blocking or rushing at livesey like a madman. He can't do both.

He doesn't need to stand still when he can just run forward holding the sword up. Something he's done before.

 

[Chariot190]

The match is speed equalized. So the musket pellets would be far faster than guts in this scenario which means catching a musket pellet is not the best idea.

Wouldn't the same apply to his cannon and crossbolts then?

It's either he's standing still blocking or rushing at livesey like a madman. He can't do both.

?
Yeah he can? Why couldn't he just rush toward him while holding the DS up as a shield?

 

[Greatsage13th]

Wouldn't the same apply to his cannon and crossbolts then?

It's not listed separate from his regular speed so I guess not.

?
Yeah he can? Why couldn't he just rush toward him while holding the DS up as a shield?

His hands would be targeted.

 

[azontr]

His hands would be targeted.

That's not going to stop him, though. In fact, Livesy can only reliably aim at one of Guts' hands, because the other is mechanical.

 

[Chariot190]

His hands would be targeted.

Just hold it with his robotic hand and place his flesh hand on the back of the blade as leverage while also shielding it?
I think he's done that before actually
Even then Guts getting his hands blown to shit wouldn't do much, he's had his hands impaled before and wasn't phased

 

[azontr]

I think he's done that before actually

Honestly, Guts has probably done everything there is to do with Dragon Slayer at this point.

 

[Chariot190]

But yeah idk, I very much doubt getting his hand shot would even make him flinch, he'd probably just say "oof", then move it.
Honestly he could straight up lose his whole arm and it wouldn't actually stop him from rushing his foe, I mean, he's the person who tore off his own arm just to rush his foe.

 

[Greatsage13th]

That's not going to stop him, though. In fact, Livesy can only reliably aim at one of Guts' hands, because the other is mechanical.

His actions are all instinctive. He's going to target both with both flintlocks.

But yeah idk, I very much doubt getting his hand shot would even make him flinch, he'd probably just say "oof", then move it.
Honestly he could straight up lose his whole arm and it wouldn't actually stop him from rushing his foe, I mean, he's the person who tore off his own arm just to rush his foe.

The difference is when he tore his hand off, his body is fine. But when Livesey does any minor pokes, they get limp like someone's weiner after looking through metamorphosis.

 

[Chariot190]

The difference is when he tore his hand off, his body is fine. But when Livesey does any minor pokes, they get limp like someone's weiner after looking through metamorphosis.

First off, you know better.
Second off, isn't that with the rapier? He's never landing an actual blow on Guts in sword combat.

 

[azontr]

His actions are all instinctive. He's going to target both with both flintlocks.

Getting shot in either hand, whether physical or mechanical, is not even remotely going to slow Guts down.