The whiteroom's masterpiece VS The god of generation 0 (Remake)

[Dinozxd]

I don't see any of my arguments getting proven wrong because of the CRT, so I'm gonna be using the same reason why I voted Daniel aganist Koji (I hope a specific individual doesn't report me for that again) and say Daniel FRA (past thread).

 

[DivineAura44]

By saying this you are automatically saying Gun was constantly blitzing him which is certainly not the case

This is legit argument from incredulity

Got proof?

Negative.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I don't see any of my arguments getting proven wrong because of the CRT, so I'm gonna be using the same reason why I voted Daniel aganist Koji (I hope a specific individual doesn't report me for that again) and say Daniel FRA (past thread).

Your entire argument for Daniel was dura neg + paralysis inducement which was removed

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Got proof?

Negative.

Bro, This is legit argument from incredulity in its purest form

They were not blitzing each other, Gun also has UI, You didn't even ONCE see him say he cannot react to him

 

[DivineAura44]

Your entire argument for Daniel was dura neg + paralysis inducement which was removed

To be honest, only one mod agreed to that and I didn't even have time to debunk that so I'm probably looking to get that added back soon.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

If the opposition's mindset stays the same, then just count their vote. Not doing such will result with 8+ pages like the last thread.

 

[DivineAura44]

They were not blitzing each other, Gun also has UI, You didn't even ONCE see him say he cannot react to him

They don't have to outright say "Gun blitzed Daniel" for you to understand he did. THAT is an example of a fallacious argument.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

To be honest, only one mod agreed to that and I didn't even have time to debunk that so I'm probably looking to get that added back soon.

1 mod was enough because it was a minor CRT (It only affected 1 character)

Also, UI Daniel never saw Warren Chae do that technique, So you can't assume he knows it

 

[XxZetsuxX]

They don't have to outright say "Gun blitzed Daniel" for you to understand he did. THAT is an example of a fallacious argument.

I don't think you know how this works at all

Show me proof of them blitzing each other, Preferably, I want it being STATED

You are using argument from incredulity

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

What does the debate currently happening change?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

What does the debate currently happening change?

He loses his dura neg + paralysis inducement, Loses his ability to get stronger and faster, His reactive evolution doesn't make him counter in a perfect way the opponent

 

[Zefra3011]

The arguments for Koji is the same

Daniel is him adapting to Koji's strenght and gets faster and wins

Koji's Argument -
Koji uses his ANPR to put Daniel into a position where Daniel can't dodge the next attack and stab Daniel to death.

Daniel's Argument - Daniel will use his dodging ability to dodge Koji until he gets fast enough to overwhelm Koji.

Thanks, I appreciate it.

So the main argument from Daniel's side is that he will eventually become too fast for Koji to handle right? But why would it be the case? Ultra instinct only makes you match the opponent's stats and skills, so the only things Daniel will do is match ayanokouji's power and won't grew past him.

EDIT: I don't see any AD on his profile or either remember him having it from the serie.

 

[DivineAura44]

1 mod was enough because it was a minor CRT

I've never seen that rule before but wtv

Also, UI Daniel never saw Warren Chae do that technique, So you can't assume he knows it

Daniel has copied entire styles before that he hasn't seen at all (Capoeira), it's not crazy to say he could learn a singular move of a style he's seen when he's stated to master EVERY martial art he knows.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

What does the debate currently happening change?

Oh, I forgot to mention that he is less skilled than before since he doesn't "Master" after copying stuff now

 

[DivineAura44]

Thanks, I appreciate it.

So the main argument from Daniel's side is that he will eventually become too fast for Koji to handle right? But why would it be the case? Ultra instinct only makes you match the opponent's stats and skills, so the only things Daniel will do is match ayanokouji's power and won't grew past him.

I already debunked this. UI doesn't take you to the level of the opponent. It takes you to the level you need to be to beat the opponent.

 

[DivineAura44]

I don't think you know how this works at all

Show me proof of them blitzing each other, Preferably, I want it being STATED

Once again, I don't have to do that at all my guy.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I already debunked this. UI doesn't take you to the level of the opponent. It takes you to the level you need to be to beat the opponent.

Emphasis on "Equally as weak"

 

[Zefra3011]

I already debunked this. UI doesn't take you to the level of the opponent. It takes you to the level you need to be to beat the opponent.

I believe that's false.

I sent a scan (from webtoon) that specifically says "if you fight someone weak you'll be equally weak", also when Gun explain Daniel how to beat a UI users he says you must hide your true abilities so when he goes down and matches them you show your true abilities, which wouldn't make sense unless UI makes you match your opponent's abilities.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Once again, I don't have to do that at all my guy.

You do, You are blantanly using argument from incredulity

You don't see "Higher reaction speed" on his profile do you?

You can clearly see him reacting to Daniel's punch

 

[XxZetsuxX]

We have another example of Daniel reaction here

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Here is a outright scan of UI Daniel reacting to an attack, He is legit looking at the attack

Other characters are also able to react

 

[DivineAura44]

You can clearly see him reacting to Daniel's punch

Shows the blankest, most unchanged expression of all time.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Shows the blankest, most unchanged expression of all time.

That's legit how UI is, He is looking at the attack and still gets hit, If you say otherwise, You will have to forgive me but i cannot say anything else than mention how you are being ignorant and biased, Again, Forgive me

 

[DivineAura44]

We have another example of Daniel reaction here

You can clearly see that TB Daniel puts his arm out in attempt to stop the attack, PB just moves so fast he can't completely dodge the attack.

Here is a outright scan of UI Daniel reacting to an attack, He is legit looking at the attack

He's not looking at an attack? He's staring at TB's elbow which isn't moving. He THEN gets attacked too fast too dodge.

 

[DivineAura44]

That's legit how UI is, He is looking at the attack and still gets hit, If you say otherwise, You will have to forgive me but i cannot say anything else than mention how you are being ignorant and biased, Again, Forgive me

You just made the claim that Daniel reacted, then showed me Daniel not reacting, are currently taking back your claim of reaction, and expect me to not find that as laughable?

 

[Dinozxd]

Your entire argument for Daniel was dura neg + paralysis inducement which was removed

I'm still seeing Dura Neg on his profile for some reason.

 

[DivineAura44]

I'm still seeing Dura Neg on his profile for some reason.

It's Systema tho, not CQC.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I'm still seeing Dura Neg on his profile for some reason.

Systema which is not CQC and is easily dodgable via predicting

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I will vote Ayanokoji FRA btw

 

[DivineAura44]

Other characters are also able to react

They are not reacting to the blows, they have simply perceived them. These are two completely different things.

 

[DivineAura44]

I will vote Ayanokoji FRA btw

You can put me as Daniel.

 

[Dinozxd]

Systema which is not CQC and is easily dodgable via predicting

I never said he would just rush in and use Systema like a maniac so no.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I never said he would just rush in and use Systema like a maniac so no.

Btw, All your previous arguments are invalid since they were all removed

• No more stronger and faster
• No more counter perfectly
• No more dura neg + paralysis inducement
• No more adapt to ANPR and stuff
• No more master after copying

 

[DivineAura44]

Btw, All your previous arguments are invalid since they were all removed

• No more stronger and faster
• No more counter perfectly
• No more dura neg + paralysis inducement
• No more adapt
• No more master after copying

1. Not true.
2. Ig
3. Still has dura neg in a different degree
4. That still seems weird to me, I have to check that.
5. What proof do you have that Daniel doesn't master the move he copies?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

1. Not true.

It's true, Argument from incredulity doesn't make it false however

3. Still has dura neg in a different degree

His argument was dura neg and paralysis inducement (Basically CQC)

4. That still seems weird to me, I have to check that.

It's not

5. What proof do you have that Daniel doesn't master the move he copies?

The fact it's not stated anywhere he does? He copies, Thats it

And the fact it's not stated anywhere they were blitzing each other too

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I will add in the OP he doesn't one shot anymore (Based on the scan Zefra sent)

 

[DivineAura44]

It's true, Argument from incredulity doesn't make it false however

His argument was dura neg and paralysis inducement (Basically CQC)

It's not

The fact it's not stated anywhere he does? He copies, Thats it

And the fact it's not stated anywhere they were blitzing each other too

It's an argument from incredulity to say that someone who is stronger according to the profile is stronger?

I never said it wasn't.

ok

This never happened?

Once again, it doesn't have to be. Also this has nothing to do with the prior argument.




At this point the debate is getting circular, I'm done arguing, I'll let people vote who they think should win.

 

[DivineAura44]

I will add in the OP he doesn't one shot anymore (Based on the scan Zefra sent)

The scan is literally proof of what I had been claiming earlier and proves Daniel would one shot.
Daniel is adjusting to the opponent, he doesn't automatically know their power. Daniel starts off one shotting Ayanokoji and would go down to his level if necessary. Except unlike in the fight with Daniel, it wouldn't be necessary because according to your arguments, Daniel would be struggling so bad he might straight up lose before he can properly adapt.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

This never happened?

You are mistaking something

Daniel has not mastered anything, He has copied it

UI Daniel however, Has 7 martial arts perfected, He didn't copy shit as they were already mastered to begin with, It's on his profile

Once again, it doesn't have to be. Also this has nothing to do with the prior argument.

It quite literally does, You can't assume something so outrageous without proof of it

 

[DivineAura44]

So yeah, I think I'm done. This has been done to death. If there are any questions just as but ask of now I think I've handedly proved why Daniel takes this one.