The whiteroom's masterpiece VS The god of generation 0 (Remake)

[XxZetsuxX]

As I said when arguing with Zetsu, that's not true. Daniel wouldn't tank an attack he can't take. So if he sees a knife barreling at him, he'll dodge. I also find it funny that if you watch the Daniel vs Johan video, it starts off with Daniel dodging an attack.

And then with him blocking which happens more often

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Daniel only has one possible wincon rn which can easily be negated due to daniel's own fighting style. He needs to last long against ayanokoji enough to do his speed amp which would be hard against someone who can predict where your next moves and attempts to dodge will be. Its either Ayanokoji wins or a stomp.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Daniel only has one possible wincon rn which can easily be negated due to daniel's own fighting style. He needs to last long against ayanokoji enough to do his speed amp which would be hard against someone who can predict where your next moves and attempts to dodge will be. Its either Ayanokoji wins or a stomp.

Vote for Koji then?

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Vote for Koji then?

Yes, Koji FRA for now until other arguments arise.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Yes, Koji FRA for now until other arguments arise.

Counted

 

[DivineAura44]

And then with him blocking which happens more often

What do you define as block? He didn't block at all, he stopped the attack. The way you are arguing portrays it as if Daniel is willingly taking damage. He's not taking damage at all.

 

[DivineAura44]

That's just in-character

Shiro vs Ayanokoji, Volume 0

Koji predicted where he will dodge and attack there while Daniel is still in the middle of dodging

He predicts where his opponent will be after making a feint and attack there

I still am waiting for you to show Daniel dodging something of this caliber

Don't use less skilled characters btw

I would appreciate if you answered like this, It's easier ngl, Idk where i used strawman like this

Because Koji predicts while he is still in the middle of dodging?

Legit, Koji's ANPR is him predicting several moves in advance

No problem??

It's not lmao

Much prefer if you send an image or explained what happened. I don't have the time to search up the chapter, determine how big the gap is, find the specific part of Ayanokoji starts adapting, and argue at the same time.

Wanna take a stab at what I guess Daniel would do?

I never said anyone was as skilled as Koji, all I said was that dodging an attack mid movement was easy for Daniel. I also don't know what you mean by "answer", there's no question.

Cool. Doesn't make it harder to dodge.

Why'd you add question marks?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

What do you define as block? He didn't block at all, he stopped the attack. The way you are arguing portrays it as if Daniel is willingly taking damage. He's not taking damage at all.

Something like this, He has more though

 

[DivineAura44]

Something like this, He has more though

Dawg, you can clearly see him catch Sam's leg. That's not a block lmaooo, he caught his opponent's leg in order to not get hit in the back of his head. You are proving my point.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Interesting.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Something like this, He has more though

I mean to be fair. Ayanokoji is fighting him with a knife, so you'll never catch him doing something like this against an armed individual, i dont think he's that dumb either. Can you show a scan of daniel blocking a attack from a armed person? Preferably blocking weapon used.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

It's not lmao

It kinda is

Much prefer if you send an image or explained what happened. I don't have the time to search up the chapter, determine how big the gap is, find the specific part of Ayanokoji starts adapting, and argue at the same time.

Basically, They were sparring 3 rounds max right? Like Zack and Daniel

A sparring match is around 2-3 which is less or equal than the timeframe between Zack and Daniel

Shiro wins the first round, Koji wins the 2nd and the gaps increases even more

Dawg, you can clearly see him catch Sam's leg. That's not a block lmaooo, he caught his opponent's leg in order to not get hit in the back of his head. You are proving my point.

He has more

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Also, I found something interesting

UI Daniel can be caught of guard

 

[DivineAura44]

It kinda is

Basically, They were sparring 3 rounds max right? Like Zack and Daniel

A sparring match is around 2-3 which is less or equal than the timeframe between Zack and Daniel

Shiro wins the first round, Koji wins the 2nd and the gaps increases even more


He has more

ok

I don't see the fight in this link?

Show them please.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Much prefer if you send an image or explained what happened. I don't have the time to search up the chapter, determine how big the gap is, find the specific part of Ayanokoji starts adapting, and argue at the same time.

Forgive me, Wrong scan

Lemme go get them

 

[DivineAura44]

Also, I found something interesting

UI Daniel can be caught of guard

Luckily for him, Ayanokoji don't move that fast.

Anywho.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Forgive me, Wrong scan

Lemme go get them

Here

Luckily for him, Ayanokoji don't move that fast.

Anywho.

You don't need to? Like i said, Feints are enough

If someone less skilled than Koji could get him off-guard, What makes you think he can't?

 

[DivineAura44]

Here

You don't need to? Like i said, Feints are enough

If someone less skilled than Koji could get him off-guard, What makes you think he can't?

Because as I said, Koji ain't that fast.
Taesoo just speed blitzed him here. Koji can't do that.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Because as I said, Koji ain't that fast.

Speed equalized

Taesoo just speed blitzed him here. Koji can't do that.

Taesoo?? Taesoo isn't even there to begin with??

 

[DivineAura44]

As for the scan you posted (I can't find it anymore), I don't think that level of growth is nearly as fast as Daniel.

 

[DivineAura44]

Speed equalized

Taesoo?? Taesoo isn't even there to begin with??

Koji isn't gonna speed blitz in speed equalized

I know it's Daniel but he used Taesoo's move. It was a joke in other words.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

As for the scan you posted (I can't find it anymore), I don't think that level of growth is nearly as fast as Daniel.

The growth rate is legit higher or equal

Sparring matches are 2-3 minutes

Daniel VS Zack is legit 3 minutes straight as it is stated it is a 3 minute timeframe

Koji is 2 minutes to 3 minutes, Less or equal, Don't downplay now

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Koji isn't gonna speed blitz in speed equalized

I know it's Daniel but he used Taesoo's move. It was a joke in other words.

Daniel didn't blitz him either and still caught him though?

He caught him offguard, Koji can and will do the same

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Also, Taesoo ma moves are not speed amps, So this argument is invalid

 

[DivineAura44]

The growth rate is legit higher or equal

Sparring matches are 2-3 minutes

Daniel VS Zack is legit 3 minutes straight as it is stated it is a 3 minute timeframe

Koji is 2 minutes to 3 minutes, Less or equal, Don't downplay now

Yes that may be true but we don't know the gap.

Going from stomp to equal mid fight would be more impressive than going from somewhat losing to somewhat winning.

Daniel has come back from stomps. Show me that level of improvement from Koji.

 

[DivineAura44]

Daniel didn't blitz him either and still caught him though?

He caught him offguard, Koji can and will do the same

Daniel legitimately moved in the middle of the swing of Daniel's kick and countered before Daniel could dodge. That is what most people would call a blitz.

Not with that speed Koji won't.

 

[DivineAura44]

Also, Taesoo ma moves are not speed amps, So this argument is invalid

Never said that they were, stop strawmanning.
You also have no proof they aren't speed amps.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Daniel legitimately moved in the middle of the swing of Daniel's kick and countered before Daniel could dodge.

For the love of god, That is what i been saying Koji would do all of this time .-.

That is what most people would call a blitz.

...??

Blitz is legit you going fast enough to the point a person cannot react

Not with that speed Koji won't.

Daniel didn't blitz wtf

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Never said that they were, stop strawmanning.

I just said the argument was invalid wtf? How am i strawmanning

You also have no proof they aren't speed amps.

Assuming they are amps is an even bigger assumption, If there's nothing stated about it (His profile also doesn't have it sooo..)

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Daniel legitimately moved in the middle of the swing of Daniel's kick and countered before Daniel could dodge. That is what most people would call a blitz.

 

[DivineAura44]

I just said the argument was invalid wtf? How am i strawmanning

Assuming they are amps is an even bigger assumption, If there's nothing stated about it (His profile also doesn't have it sooo..)

I never said the moves were speed amps, you responded by saying the argument is invalid because they aren't speed amps. That's a strawman.

You are making a negative assumption (the moves are NOT amps), I am making a neutral assumption (the moves may be amps), a negative assumption is always the bigger assumption because you are making a definitive.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I never said the moves were speed amps, you responded by saying the argument is invalid because they aren't speed amps. That's a strawman.

You are making a negative assumption (the moves are NOT amps), I am making a neutral assumption (the moves may be amps), a negative assumption is always the bigger assumption because you are making a definitive.

Fine, But this is kinda irrelevant when it's not on his profile, So we just wasted our time

 

[DivineAura44]

If Daniel can dodge moves he can't react to and couldn't even dodge that attack, the attack must have blitzed him

The attack > Daniel's dodges > Daniel's reaction.

That is a speed blitz.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

If Daniel can dodge moves he can't react to and couldn't even dodge that attack, the attack must have blitzed him

The attack > Daniel's dodges > Daniel's reaction.

That is a speed blitz.

No, That is not how it works at all

True body Daniel never blitzed him, This is just an assumption

 

[Zefra3011]

can I have a summarize from both sides?

 

[DivineAura44]

For the love of god, That is what i been saying Koji would do all of this time .-.

Here's the difference. True Body Daniel was faster than Perfect Body Daniel during that attack, Koji isn't faster than Daniel because speed is equalized.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

can I have a summarize from both sides?

The arguments for Koji is the same

Daniel is him adapting to Koji's strenght and gets faster and wins

 

[DivineAura44]

No, That is not how it works at all

True body Daniel never blitzed him, This is just an assumption

We literally see the attack hit Daniel before he could react, how could you possibly argue it's an assumption

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Here's the difference. True Body Daniel was faster than Perfect Body Daniel during that attack, Koji isn't faster than Daniel because speed is equalized.

By saying this you are automatically saying Gun was constantly blitzing him which is certainly not the case

This is legit argument from incredulity

 

[DivineAura44]

can I have a summarize from both sides?

Koji's Argument -
Koji uses his ANPR to put Daniel into a position where Daniel can't dodge the next attack and stab Daniel to death.

Daniel's Argument - Daniel will use his dodging ability to dodge Koji until he gets fast enough to overwhelm Koji.