You guys ignored all of this while voting for Daniel, Not 1 single counter arguments for this nor anything
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Yup, they want to make koji wins against everyone so bad. Just ignore any matchups made by cote fans atp
Are you here to troll?
That isn't the plan chief.
god i love rogger so muchAfter reading the entire debate. I will mention on the few things.
This thread just got a lot out of control. But the fact that UI Daniel can copy the entire skillset of Ayanokouji isn't debatable. Also, the fact that when both can copy each other isn't debatable.
Some mentions:
1. Daniel has better copying ability than Ayanokouji. Daniel's ability is observing a move for once and then doing it instantly. Ayanokouji is the same. To address the misconception raised in the thread, Ayanokouji's ability is not just restricted to skiing, he himself mentioned that it applies to sports in general, and martial arts was extensively included in the White Room curriculum, so almost all the physical moves (which aren't normally physically impossible) should be able to be copied by Ayanokouji. Still, Daniel takes the win for copying abilities, because whatever can be said, his copying is backed up by a supernatural element which would be concrete.
2. Ayanokouji unarguably outskills to oblivion. Skills isn't only martial arts or techniques; it includes the application of it as well. Skills is battle knowledge + battle experience. So, while UI might help Daniel to certainly copy his every move (i.e., battle knowledge), he cannot copy his experience. Ayanokouji himself mentions his fighting experience as "countless" and we do have calculations from his statements about him being in 10s of thousands of fights, which is simply not just worth comparing to Daniel's experience.
3. Ayanokouji's battle IQ is vastly a major flaw for Daniel. Ayanokouji's Information Analysis, first of all, comes in handy a lot. We do know that Ayanokouji analyzes movements, but the extent of his analysis is crazy. There was one time when he was planning to go shooting, and he missed, but he didn't blame his aim, he was sure that he was doing it very well, instead, he said that there were a millimeter-level of discrepancies in the gun manufacturing, and that was the reason why he missed (here). So, when he missed the target, it is actually the gun's fault, he even pointed it out when observing others while shooting. He can also point out really small differences, like once he pointed out that Tsukishiro was moving 2 degrees faster than before, that's like saying that your opponent was like 2 kmph faster than before.
Second thing is Ayanokouji's Analytical Prediction. While yes, Daniel does have the resistance to Analytical Prediction, he cannot resist Ayanokouji's because it is completely different from the general type of prediction which he resists. Ayanokouji has the prediction ability of being able to analyze his opponents' upper limits, which allows him to gap their strength and he just predicts their attacks. There's no narrative stating about how it works, but his feats in the fight with Tsukishiro and Shiba greatly show it. He can predict the attacks which come directly out of the corner of his eye, while he does have enhanced awareness and can detect presences around him, he mentioned that the reason why he dodges Shiba's attack was because of his "intuition", and he even predicted Tsukishiro's attack which did come in the future (here).
However, considering how Daniel's ability might work, and his advantages on the other hand as well, I also would say that this also has chances of going inconclusive.
I will mention that considering Daniel's abilities, both somehow would have the same techniques and knowledge as Daniel would just copy his opponents. Both have similar advantages like Daniel can oneshot while Ayanokouji would have the same advantage due to having a knife. So, the fight is mainly outhaxxing and who uses their intelligence best, which I think Ayanokouji has an advantage in for now.
That isn't the plan chief.
I have asked the OP several times on the one-after-another Ayanokouji matchups and he has himself said that he does want to see if verses based on street fighting and martial arts (or verses with somehow acceptable abilities) do have characters who can beat him. That's why, the magnitude of Ayanokouji's matchups has been increasing. He first fought opponents with similar powers, which proved to be a stomp on them, so the next thing which was to be done was to get opponents with a great level of advantage in their physical abilities like AP and LS, and that still didn't work, so he just took characters who have advantages in their hax and also their physical abilities like AP and LS have a massive advantage. And this is actually possible. Characters with street level AP take on characters with multi-continent level of AP in the NGNL verse, all due to their BIQ and how they use their entire stuff to their advantage and plan for that from the beginning. So yes, the one-after-another COTE matchups are to actually make Ayanokouji lose in the end, not to make him have 100s of notable victories (if that was the case, then he would have just fought opponents which were in his tier and didn't have any notable advantages in their hax or anything).
Ayanokouji wishes that as well, his literal goal currently in the series is to lose fairly while he is giving it his all.
Wha—of course it matters! It's like trying to make a vegetable fear you. How can it fear someone when it is unconscious and hence lacks the senses to perceive fear? Same analogy is applied to an unconscious Daniel who is in a similar state to a vegetable that only responds through instincts and physical stimuli.
Daniel can't get past Koji's ANPR and skill gap and proceeds to get outpredicted and stabbed
Daniel felt danger when Goo used a weapon, Which kinda means he can still feel things
So, Incon or Koji?After reading the entire debate. I will mention on the few things.
This thread just got a lot out of control. But the fact that UI Daniel can copy the entire skillset of Ayanokouji isn't debatable. Also, the fact that when both can copy each other isn't debatable.
Some mentions:
1. Daniel has better copying ability than Ayanokouji. Daniel's ability is observing a move for once and then doing it instantly. Ayanokouji is the same. To address the misconception raised in the thread, Ayanokouji's ability is not just restricted to skiing, he himself mentioned that it applies to sports in general, and martial arts was extensively included in the White Room curriculum, so almost all the physical moves (which aren't normally physically impossible) should be able to be copied by Ayanokouji. Still, Daniel takes the win for copying abilities, because whatever can be said, his copying is backed up by a supernatural element which would be concrete.
2. Ayanokouji unarguably outskills to oblivion. Skills isn't only martial arts or techniques; it includes the application of it as well. Skills is battle knowledge + battle experience. So, while UI might help Daniel to certainly copy his every move (i.e., battle knowledge), he cannot copy his experience. Ayanokouji himself mentions his fighting experience as "countless" and we do have calculations from his statements about him being in 10s of thousands of fights, which is simply not just worth comparing to Daniel's experience.
3. Ayanokouji's battle IQ is vastly a major flaw for Daniel. Ayanokouji's Information Analysis, first of all, comes in handy a lot. We do know that Ayanokouji analyzes movements, but the extent of his analysis is crazy. There was one time when he was planning to go shooting, and he missed, but he didn't blame his aim, he was sure that he was doing it very well, instead, he said that there were a millimeter-level of discrepancies in the gun manufacturing, and that was the reason why he missed (here). So, when he missed the target, it is actually the gun's fault, he even pointed it out when observing others while shooting. He can also point out really small differences, like once he pointed out that Tsukishiro was moving 2 degrees faster than before, that's like saying that your opponent was like 2 kmph faster than before.
Second thing is Ayanokouji's Analytical Prediction. While yes, Daniel does have the resistance to Analytical Prediction, he cannot resist Ayanokouji's because it is completely different from the general type of prediction which he resists. Ayanokouji has the prediction ability of being able to analyze his opponents' upper limits, which allows him to gap their strength and he just predicts their attacks. There's no narrative stating about how it works, but his feats in the fight with Tsukishiro and Shiba greatly show it. He can predict the attacks which come directly out of the corner of his eye, while he does have enhanced awareness and can detect presences around him, he mentioned that the reason why he dodges Shiba's attack was because of his "intuition", and he even predicted Tsukishiro's attack which did come in the future (here).
However, considering how Daniel's ability might work, and his advantages on the other hand as well, I also would say that this also has chances of going inconclusive.
I will mention that considering Daniel's abilities, both somehow would have the same techniques and knowledge as Daniel would just copy his opponents. Both have similar advantages like Daniel can oneshot while Ayanokouji would have the same advantage due to having a knife. So, the fight is mainly outhaxxing and who uses their intelligence best, which I think Ayanokouji has an advantage in for now.
That isn't the plan chief.
I have asked the OP several times on the one-after-another Ayanokouji matchups and he has himself said that he does want to see if verses based on street fighting and martial arts (or verses with somehow acceptable abilities) do have characters who can beat him. That's why, the magnitude of Ayanokouji's matchups has been increasing. He first fought opponents with similar powers, which proved to be a stomp on them, so the next thing which was to be done was to get opponents with a great level of advantage in their physical abilities like AP and LS, and that still didn't work, so he just took characters who have advantages in their hax and also their physical abilities like AP and LS have a massive advantage. And this is actually possible. Characters with street level AP take on characters with multi-continent level of AP in the NGNL verse, all due to their BIQ and how they use their entire stuff to their advantage and plan for that from the beginning. So yes, the one-after-another COTE matchups are to actually make Ayanokouji lose in the end, not to make him have 100s of notable victories (if that was the case, then he would have just fought opponents which were in his tier and didn't have any notable advantages in their hax or anything).
Ayanokouji wishes that as well, his literal goal currently in the series is to lose fairly while he is giving it his all.
Yeah I did and I'm not gonna do it a 4th or a 5th time. My reasonings are more than enough.
I didn't dismiss or ignore any proof nor I have "wanked" or "downplayed" anything, this thread wouldn't get this long otherwise.
He gave his reasoning and you have to count his vote.
proceeds to count 3 FRA votes after
Chances are that they wouldn't care, this is like another episode of "Speed Equalized saving one dude from getting splattered on the ground from a literal hydraulic press".
It's debatable. When you sleep, you are unconscious as well, but you still have nightmares, and you are anxious and afraid during that time.
Attack reflection is using the momentum of your opponent to attack them, and predicting someone's movement would include that. Ayanokouji has shown capacities to predict entire movements which would normally be impossible to predict for general Analytical Prediction, like how Housen aimed to harm himself over his own deductions, he has predicted the unpredictable trajectories of other's movements. Secondly, things like Daniel have been done by Ayanokouji as well, he used Aikido to redirect Ibuki to a spot and leave her defenseless. And again, Daniel's attack redirection isn't completely supernatural like you attack him and you gain the damage without Daniel doing anything, it quite literally requires him to use your force to initiate an attack of his own, and there's nothing like Ayanokouji cannot predict that "generated" attack, what I am saying is that his Attack Reflection isn't someone attacking him and then experiencing damage themselves.
We should make unequalized speed matchups meta for more equal matchups 🗣Chances are that they wouldn't care, this is like another episode of "Speed Equalized saving one dude from getting splattered on the ground from a literal hydraulic press".
This is just used to make Ibiki lose balance unlike Daniel's Attack Reflection where he uses his opponent's momentum to spin around for his own attack, which should also power up the damage if we're looking at it logically.
Yeah but according to the reply below:
He can't perceive the darkness if he's essentially not perceiving his surroundings with his eyes anyways due to the nature of UI.
Blud really counted my votes even without me having any fra or any reasonings why i voted for koji, really shows your biases
I am not meaning that Ayanokouji has attack redirection. Both use opponent's momentum to their advantage. Secondly, Ayanokouji can predict all types of attack and even their secondary purpose, he predicted that Ryuuen was using a feint, he predicted that Housen was going to harm himself all while having the initial trajectory showing it as if he was aiming ahead. The intensity AnPr in COTE is compared to reading mind of your opponent, no, attack redirection isn't even a problem, considering how it has the same type of "secondary purpose" kind of concept.
That thing is accepted in Ayanokoujis profile, why even debate it.
Yes, he does need to have his eyes open according to what is mentioned till now in the plot.
Funny how his reasoning was a 1 sentense vote and is against the rules
Because he wouldn't copy his perfect body in the first place lol
Read the rule i sent
Because i legit gave a fking 10+ line reasoning which you still did not counter, Don't act like like you are in the right here
He said a 1 vote sentence which is against the rules and is supposed to be discarded
Reporting because someone broke the rules and i just pointed it out?
Wtf, Are you serious??
The analytical part of other COTE characters, yes, but some characters have AnPr which isn't analytical, like Ayanokouji is dependent on intuition as well, along with the upper limit.
What upper limit?
I voted for koji without FRA'ing or without your reasonings or giving any reasonings at all why I voted for koji, just like how u asked ppl who voted for daniel to give their reasonings, and u just counted my vote.
Good to know. I'll stick to incon then.
He is saying that he baited you into counting his vote with a fake vote which didn't have an argument or reasons (
), which you shouldn't have as it is against the rules to count votes which don't have arguments.
It's a long explanation but the scans are on his profile. For short, Ayanokouji analyzes his opponent's upper limit and can predict their moves through that information, rather than the general AnPr which is seeing small movement changes in stance and stuff to predict someone's next moves. I don't know if any of the wiki abilities classify this kind of stuff, but AnPr is the closest as he does regard it as "prediction" somehow.
Given how that long ass text was in plain sight i would normally assume you saw it voted based on that, Well if that isn't the case then i will just remove it then mb
The argument on Daniel side is that Koji can't copy his body or he auto destructs himself
