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The Ultra Series Discussion Thread: Unleash! The Power of Imagination!

@Mr.Cutlery Basically 2-D characters. First appeared in Belial Galactic Empire. They are 2-D beings who have the ability to affect the 3-D world such as sealing Mirror Knight and bringing 3-D things into the 2-D world. But everything else is pretty much fine right? If so I’ll go change the description on the verse page.

@Kamenriderblaze This is where it came from. The subtitle of the interview is Chinese.
 
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Ah, well in that case yeah it's all fine. Though I'd suspect you'd have already done so since I also did say my agreement already.
 
I actually haven’t done that yet as I was busy irl. But yeah now I’ll go and update the description.
 
And done. Gonna go work on adding some references to the profiles on my sandbox now. Might as well add some images and gifs onto the profile as they are rather small.
 
How are the profiles now? Couldn't find any gifs for U-Killersaurus and I didn't feel like making a dozen gifs just for him so I decided to skip him altogether. But if there's nothing wrong I'll probably post them right after I get the ok.
vsbattles.fandom.com

Peter1129/Sandbox4

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Oh right also apparently Gargorgon’s suit was already at its limit. But Tsujimoto wanted to use it one last time as it was his creation from Ultraman X so they decided to give it an emergency repair and use it one last time in Ultraman Trigger as a farewell. So this will probably be the last time we will ever see Gargorgon on screen again.

 
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Yeah, they look good now.

That kinda makes me sad to hear for some reason. I mean, they really could just easier remake the suit, but to think they had the suit since its debut in 2015 is sorta wholesome in a weird sense.
 
Alright I’ll post them once I’m done taking a shower. Also I’ll probably have to ask you guys for your thoughts on something regarding the Galaxy Crisis Era later on as well.
 
Ultraman X is like one of the new gen ultra series with a lot's of original monsters

Well sad that Trigger would be Gargorgon last appearance, however if they wanted to show him again for one last time, at least tribute him with an actual explosion like they did with Golba
 
Anyways on to the Galaxy Crisis Era stuff. So basically I was wondering if the Ultras in the Galaxy Crisis Era really were 3-A at the beginning of the era. Currently the reason they are 3-A is because of Hikari defeating Armored Mefilas (G) who we assume is 3-A like the Armored Mefilas from Mega Monster Battle NEO rather easily.

However, I realized there were actually more evidence against them being 3-A early on in the Galaxy Crisis Era than there were for them being 3-A. In Ghost Rebirth Part II, we see that Mechazam who is the host that revives Alien Empera was actually strong enough to fight off Ace, Taro, and Hikari at the same time in his true form Ghost Rebirth. And they made a big deal about Alien Empera reviving in Part I as well as in Part II when Alien Empera was starting to be resurrected. So at this period of time the Ultra Brothers are clearly shown to still be inferior to Alien Empera who is a bit above baseline 3-A.

This is further supported in Ultra Galaxy Legend as Ultraman, Seven, and Mebius were actually shown to be more or less comparable to Rei's Gomora in Base who is 3-B+ for being half as strong as Reionic Burst Gomora who defeated the Armored Mefilas who was stated to be Armored Darkness reincarnated and has power on par with Armored Darkness. And in Mega Monster Battle NEO it is shown that Seven was able to fight Armored Darkness but still lost to it in the end. So the Ultras being 3-B+ at the beginning of the Galaxy Crisis Era is actually much more consistent. Although this doesn't mean they stayed 3-B+ forever as it was shown that by Belial Galactic Empire, Seven is able to fight Darclops Zero alongside Zero which shows that the other Ultras did eventually become 3-A in the Galaxy Crisis Era.

The Ultras being 3-B+ (1/2 3-A) at the time also fits more with the monster army being strong enough to somewhat hurt them as we currently assume they are stronger than monsters from Ultraman Mebius whom are at least 4-A, likely 3-B (1/10 3-A).

So I was thinking that the Ultra Brothers during the Galaxy Crisis Era should be 3-B+ to 3-A rather than just straight up 3-A like they currently are. The other Ultras whom are shown to fight Belial in Ultra Galaxy Legends like Powered, Neos, and etc. should be At least 4-A, likely 3-B, possibly 3-B+ in the Galaxy Crisis Era once they get a profile.
 
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Yep, everything looks fine. I'll see if I can refine the wordings should it be needed.

And as for the new ratings, I think that actually makes sense. Though I don't see why there should be two separate distinctions for 3-B on the other Ultras. I think them being 1/10 3-A is fair enough, you know, given the site's regulations typically assuming the lower end if the scaling is vague to some level. But hey, any variations in the tiers is always welcome.
 
Alright thanks.

The reason I believe the other Ultras that aren't Ultra Brothers should be at least 4-A, likely 3-B, possibly 3-B+ is because they were all essentially one shot by Belial in Ultra Galaxy Legends. The Ultra Brothers are clearly shown to be above the other Ultras as they can briefly clash with Belial and tank some attacks from him while all the other Ultras were essentially taken out in one hit by Belial (Except Max who was apparently shown to survive one hit from Belial but was taken out by the second hit). So on the low end they should be at least 4-A, likely 3-B and on the high end they could be possibly 3-B+ for potentially being somewhat near the Ultra Brothers and posing a small hindrance against Belial.

Though I personally feel like this is honestly being a bit too generous as they haven't been shown to be comparable to any 3-B+ whatsoever. And even back in the Heisei Era they were a tier below the Ultra Brothers who were at least 4-A, likely 3-B. So I personally feel like outside of the Ultra Brothers all the other Ultras in the Galaxy Crisis Era should just be at least 4-A, likely 3-B for being above Heisei Era Mebius. Only reason I'm thinking about giving them a possibly 3-B+ is because of this tweet saying Max is comparable to Hikari during the Galaxy Crisis Era. Which means the other Ultras who were treated like fodder alongside Max should be somewhat comparable to the Ultra Brothers who are a bit above 3-B+ as they scale from Rei's Gomora whose scaling goes like this

Base Gomora = 1/2 Reionic Burst Gomora

Reionic Burst Gomora > Armored Mefilas = Armored Darkness = Alien Empera > Juda = Baseline 3-A
 
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The suggestion's only because I thought it'd be somewhat cluttered. But I guess it's fine then, in that case.
 
Yeah it normally would be kind of cluttered but considering how these Ultras barely appear at all it wouldn't really be that bad. But yeah anyways I'll probably be adding this Galaxy Crisis Era change onto the second miscellaneous CRT alongside the Ultra Physiology. And that second CRT will probably be made sometime next week.
 
Makes sense, I suppose.

Do you need the Powers and Abilities addition list to be bumped up?
 
I think the powers and abilities addition should probably be after Ultra Physiology as they only affect specific characters while the Physiology page affects all Ultras. So for now just leave it alone I guess.
 
Ah, right, that's what part 3 was. Okay, then. What else is to be covered in part 3 again? And to bring it up again, I think we should also propose the Ultras, and some select others, as being able to directly interact and attack the consciousness due to their increasingly consistent feats of taking attacks and attacking Inner Spaces or equivalents of it. I know it should be covered in the Physiology addition, but this one seems like a more particular thing of its own. But what do you guys think?
 
Yeah I guess we could add that onto Part 2 as well since that is technically a part of the Ultra Physiology. I'll make a separate section for it when I make the thread. You can gather the evidence for why they can do this.
 
Oh you mean their summary description. Yeah I didn't really know what to write for that so I just kept it short. If you can give them a better description feel free to go for it.
 
Aight done. I only described their general roles as I doubt we'd need to go into much detail, given that we're literally the only ones who watch the shows.
 
Currently still gathering images wherever it works (Because I don't know how to make gifs and some fights don't exist out here), and looking back, I think we forgot to give Greeza Statistics Reduction and Deconstruction. It's said in Episode 12 of X where Rui and Mamoru theorized whether X is getting weaker or Demaaga stronger, which Gourman suspects is both. Even X himself said his body is breaking down from getting hit by DTE. And perhaps because of that, he should also get resistance to both after getting Exceed X. (I initially proposed for Geed and Z to potentially have it as well, but it's bunk)

Edit: Also quite a few more. Exceed X himself might also get Statistics Reduction against darkness users. On another topic, Ginga's finale has Dark Lugiel include fear as part of Minus Energy, so that's more resistance to the New Gens for being unaffected by Planet Tenebris' atmosphere. And knowing what Nexus and Max has, GingaVictory should also get their Deconstruction and Matter Manipulation powers, with Ultra Fusion Shoot being a stronger version due to literally mixing all of their powers into it.
 
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Finally done with my exam so anyways this is what I have for the second part of the Miscellaneous Revisions. It’s mostly just a copy and paste of what I said in this thread as well as the sandbox.

Mr.Cutlery can you take care of adding stuff about the consciousness you were talking about before? Also speaking of which how's the Ultras Inner Light blog going on? Cause if these stuff gets accepted I would like to link the completed blog onto the physiology page as evidence for the Inner Light Resistance.

Edit: @Mr.Cutlery And yeah we just need to remember to add the abilities later on when we reach Part 3 of the Miscellaneous Revisions.

Miscellaneous Ultra Series Revision Part 2

Galaxy Crisis Era Changes

So currently the reason they are 3-A is because of Hikari defeating Armored Mefilas (G) who we assume is 3-A like the Armored Mefilas from Mega Monster Battle NEO rather easily.

However, I realized there were actually more evidence against them being 3-A early on in the Galaxy Crisis Era than there were for them being 3-A. In Ghost Rebirth Part II, we see that Mechazam who is the host that revives Alien Empera was actually strong enough to fight off Ace, Taro, and Hikari at the same time in his true form Ghost Rebirth. And they made a big deal about Alien Empera reviving in Part I as well as in Part II when Alien Empera was starting to be resurrected. So at this period of time the Ultra Brothers are clearly shown to still be inferior to Alien Empera who is above baseline 3-A scaling from being stronger than Juda.

This is further supported in Ultra Galaxy Legend as Ultraman, Seven, and Mebius were actually shown to be more or less comparable to Rei's Gomora in Base who is 3-B+ for being half as strong as Reionic Burst Gomora who defeated the Armored Mefilas who was stated to be Armored Darkness reincarnated and has power on par with Armored Darkness who is on par with Alien Empera. And in Mega Monster Battle NEO it is shown that Seven was able to fight Armored Darkness but still lost to it in the end. So the Ultras being 3-B+ at the beginning of the Galaxy Crisis Era is actually much more consistent. Although this doesn't mean they stayed 3-B+ forever as it was shown that by Belial Galactic Empire, Seven is able to fight Darclops Zero alongside Zero which shows that the other Ultras did eventually become 3-A in the Galaxy Crisis Era.

The Ultra Brothers being 3-B+ (1/2 3-A) at the time also fits more with the monster army being strong enough to somewhat hurt them as we currently assume they are stronger than monsters from Ultraman Mebius in the previous era whom are at least 4-A, likely 3-B (1/10 3-A).

So I was thinking that the Ultra Brothers during the Galaxy Crisis Era should be 3-B+ to 3-A rather than just straight up 3-A like they currently are. The other Ultras whom are shown to fight Belial in Ultra Galaxy Legends like Powered, Neos, and etc. should be At least 4-A, likely 3-B, for being stronger than Mebius from Heisei Era and possibly 3-B+ in the Galaxy Crisis Era as Max who was among the group of Ultras fighting Belial is actually comparable to Hikari during the beginning of the Galaxy Crisis Era.

All those that fully scale to Belial would still be 3-A as he can block and deflect a combo beam from three 3-B+. And it’s shown very clearly that in the Ultra Series that combination attacks are at least addition and many times multiplication. Heck even attacks that don’t combine are considered at least additive and sometimes multiplicative.

Neos and Seven 21's double kick having more than 4x the power of their individual kicks

Future Cosmos and Crusher Justice's combo beam Cross Perfection being noted to be several times stronger than their normal beams

Mebium Knight Shoot doubles the power of their beams even though they aren’t even aiming at the same spot

Ultra Physiology

So I have been making an Ultra Physiology page in my sandbox a while back so I was hoping to get these abilities for the physiology page accepted

Abilities​

  • Absorption and Empowerment: Ultras can absorb light to recharge or power themselves up. Ultras are also able to use positive abstract concepts such as bonds and hope to power up.
  • Astral Projection: Ultras are capable of appearing to others in an astral form should they chose to. If they have taken a host, they will be invisible to everyone but their host and other Ultras.
  • Creation: Ultras are capable of creating matter out of nothing. The objects they create can range from bracelets, weapons, to even celestial bodies like stars.
  • Data Manipulation and Technological Manipulation: Ultras are shown to be able to convert themselves into data to fight against enemies within computers. Alternatively, they can also hijack electronic devices.
  • Energy Manipulation: Ultras are able to fire energy beams from different parts such as their hand, arm, head, and etc. They can also erect energy barriers to shield themselves.
  • Enhanced Senses: Ultras are capable of seeing in the dark, and possess extremely good hearing.
  • Extrasensory Perception: Should their natural senses fail, an Ultra is capable of enhancing them to supernatural levels, such as employing x-ray vision to view through obstacles and reveal enemies that otherwise would bypass even their already enhanced senses. They are also capable of detecting life signatures within creatures.
  • Explosion Manipulation: Many Ultras finishers causes an explosions of some form.
  • Flight and Spaceflight: Ultras have the ability to fly and have also been known to fly interstellar and even intergalactic distances.
  • Healing: Ultras who take on hosts are able to fully heal themselves between battles.
  • Immortality (Type 4, 8 with a host): Ultras are never truly dead unless their color timers are destroyed. If their color timer isn't destroyed they can still come back to life once they have regained enough energy. If the Ultra takes up a host, their lives are usually connected, which means that if they suffer a fatal damage, the Ultra can opt to undo their transformation to save their hosts. In turn, they too would remain alive, though heavily weakened.
  • Large Size (Type 1): All Ultras are giants that are shown to be the size of buildings.
  • Light Manipulation: Being Giants of Light, Ultras are also composed of light energy that flows through their body, normally called the Inner Light. Ultras can use a form of long distance communication called the Ultra Signs. These are series of characters that appear in the sky or space and are created from light.
  • Longevity: Ultras have extremely long life spans, when compared to humans.
  • Non-Physical Interaction and Soul Manipulation: Ultras have shown the ability to touch intangible beings like Leugocyte in its gas form as well as non-corporeal beings like the ghost monsters that Reibatos revived. Ultras are also responsible for maintaining the Monster Graveyard, keeping the souls resting there subdued and destroying them in the case they reawaken and start rampaging.
  • Pocket Reality Manipulation: Ultras are shown to have the ability to create mini pocket dimensions where space-time is distorted. These are normally used as means of communicating with their hosts if they have one.
  • Portal Creation: Ultras can create wormholes to quickly travel the vast distances of space.
  • Possession and Resurrection: Ultras are able to share their life force with a human, fusing the two of them into one being. This act can revive a recently deceased person, though they will have to depend on the Ultra's energy to live.
  • Self-Sustenance (Type 1 and 2): Ultras are often shown to have no trouble surviving in the vacuum of space and haven't been shown to have the need for any food or water. Instead they replenish their energy by absorbing light.
  • Shapeshifting: Ultras can copy the appearance of others or create a new appearance for themselves.
  • Size Manipulation: Ultras are able to change their physical size from microscopic to giant. As a result, they are also capable of countering abilities that forcefully alters their size. They can also exploit this ability to get inside of enemies and destroy them from within where there are less resistances.
  • Superhuman Physical Characteristics: Ultras have displayed enhanced strength, speed and agility.
  • Telepathy and Telekinesis: Ultras are able to communicate with their own kind and other beings through their telepathy. This telepathy is able to operate over long distances. Many Ultras have also been shown to have the ability to use telekinesis. It is possible their telepathic abilities can be used offensively, as a weakened Mebius with presumably troubled control over his abilities, caused pain when attempting to telepathically communicate with Rei. Sufficiently trained telekinetic powers allows an Ultra to take hold of even their enemies, immobilizing them and keeping them suspended in mid-air.
  • Teleportation: Ultras are all capable of using teleportation to quickly travel between different places. Though this is considered a life-threatening technique and puts a strain on their body.

Resistances​

  • Gravity Manipulation: Ultras are capable of resisting the gravity of gas giants fairly easily.
  • Heat Manipulation: Ultras are capable of casually handling even the heat of a star.
  • Radiation Manipulation: Ultras are capable of resisting the radiation emitted from nearby stars, ignoring even prolonged exposure to them.
  • Air Manipulation: Ultras can also resist the extreme atmospheric pressures of different planets. They are also able to navigate in deep seas without trouble.
Ultras attacking the consciousness


TLDR/Summary

Galaxy Crisis Era Ultra Brothers and those that scale should be changed from 3-A → 3-B+ to 3-A.
Ultra Physiology Page ability additions
Ultras get some form of soul hax due to directly attacking the consciousness? (I dunno Mr. Cutlery you can handle the consciousness stuff)
 
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Alright, that's good to hear. And the draft looks good, it's structured as it usually is so it should be simple enough to follow.

Anyway, I thought the blog was already done and linked there? And I will link images, videos and such relevant to the whole directly affecting the consciousness around tonight. If not their normal attacks, then at least their special techniques are capable of doing such.

Also, looking back, I'm gonna revise the list a bit before we can consider it usable enough.
 
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Alright, that's good to hear. And the draft looks good, it's structured as it usually is so it should be simple enough to follow.

Anyway, I thought the blog was already done and linked there? And I will link images, videos and such relevant to the whole directly affecting the consciousness around tonight. If not their normal attacks, then at least their special techniques are capable of doing such.

Also, looking back, I'm gonna revise the list a bit before we can consider it usable enough.
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Currently your inner light thing is in something like a sandbox right now. You said you wanted to change the format and make it look better before posting it as an actual blog awhile back.

And yeah sure go ahead and revise it.
 
I decided to mess around Nexus' references, and found this statement on Noa.

伸縮自在な背中の「ノア・イージス」には時空超越をも可能とする能力が秘められている

It means basically everything we've already heard, that with the Noa Aegis he can transcend space-time. But notice the kanji used for transcend, it's 超越 (Chōetsu), which is a more literal sense of the word. It really wouldn't change anything, but I've always ruled out that statement as mostly being in reference to his ability to cross universes.
 
I'm done editing the Sandbox, for now. And here's the blog, for real now.

Alright, gonna start compiling and linking the relevant pieces.

Dunno how to shrink these types though.

Ultraman Ginga

(Episode 10: The Nackle outright states that if Ginga and Jean-Nine were to attack him, or rather his physical body, it wouldn't just affect him but will also take out their friend. Messed up the order)

Ultraman Ginga S

(Episode 5: There's also this one, which is a bit weirder as it only shows Ginga kicking Yapool which extracts his host from him)

Ultraman X

(Episode 5: Here it's stated that X's Xanadium Beam has particles which turn monsters, and other beings actually, into Spark Dolls. The effects of turning into a Spark Doll is that one would have their consciousness locked or sealed away, and their flow of time stopped. The former no longer applies as of X, but that's about the gist of the mechanics behind a Spark Doll. See: . In short, Xanadium Ray is capable of directly affecting the minds of its targets thanks to that effect, as do X's some other techniques)

Ultraman Orb

https://youtu.be/5kIWhfoIKpQ?t=497 (Episode 17: Another example of destroying the body also affecting the person in its Inner Space)

https://youtu.be/AkOxfCp9NL0?t=390 (Episode 23: As we've seen many times before at this point, when the hosts or human forms are transformed, they physically become the Ultra, and them operating in their Inner Space is a way to show how deep their bond goes. So here, wielding the antithesis to Light, Juggler says "Now you'll learn the true power of darkness" before attacking Orb. This does also open up a new topic, that being Light and Darkness, in the context of this series, are capable of overpowering each other, and often, everything else. Here, after attaining a stronger darkness, Juggler is easily capable of damaging Orb with his technique.)

Ultraman Geed

( Episode 12: We see Geed's attacks directly affecting Kei who is in his Inner Space, and vice versa, and later the two lock themselves in a contest of strength, which soon shifts solely to focus on their human forms, signifying a more internal battle going on alongside their giant forms. This one has a more versatile showing, as it shows both sides of Light and Darkness users as being able to attack each others' mind and soul directly through their energies. The energy they use is also widely referred to as Light Energy or Dark Energy, signifying that they have the same source as the hearts of their users. Sadly, even I don't have explicit showings of such readily available)

https://youtu.be/OmefRw4BH3w?t=573 (Episode 17: As stated before in a previous CRT, here we see a corrupted Geed acting as Chimeraberos' operating consciousness to attack Zero. And given previous and later instances, this again adds to the point)

https://youtu.be/RRdM2TwH5QE?t=879 (Episode 22: There's also another one here in a less direct but just as similar manner where Geed and Zero's hosts also react similarly to their Ultra bodies while holding off Kei)

https://youtu.be/QHA1bLWV3nA?t=379 (Episode 25: Geed and Belial locks against each other and it soon shows the two in their Inner Spaces fighting each other)

Ultraman R/B

https://youtu.be/j_PV8lJUAt0?t=51 (Episode 12: This is a weird one as it shows from an enemy's side of affecting one inside an Inner Space. But hey, it's an example)

Ultraman Taiga

https://youtu.be/R6ALE3kLsAk?t=329 (Episode 25: As it shows here, Taiga turns himself into light and enters the monster's body to try and retrieve their friend. Another piece of extra info, light particles in Ultraman are now known as Astral Particles, which is what allows them to bond/fuse with targets such as humans, essentially meaning that they are able to break themselves down to a spiritual level in order to fuse with humans and such. And seen here, they can also do it in the middle of battle to extract whatever important consciousness resides in a target)

https://youtu.be/hd-tV6AeBvU?t=846 (Episode 3: Going off order for a bit. Here we see another example (the first, actually) of an Ultra stuck in their light particle form bypassing Galactron's physical body to extract the soul inside of it)

Ultraman Z

https://youtu.be/P2UtXEOBJeE?t=1301 (Episode 7: The three Ultras fire their beams, and the bad guy comes out heavily injured)

https://youtu.be/NdfwFKnYz1g?t=1355 (Episode 8: Z goes inside but there's no physical sign of the user, once again adding to the fact that Inner Spaces are a completely non-physical place where the consciousness operates. And again, bad guy Celebro gets pretty torn up)

https://youtu.be/9baNWzAQabc?t=1462 (Episode 24: Late Spoiler warning. But that's fine. Here we see Z get pretty much destroyed, but then it switches over to the Inner Space, where it now shows Haruki's inner self in an unmoving state as means of signifying the translation of physical damage as also being spiritual damage)

Lastly, I guess it's not so much that everyone will be able to physically interact and damage each other through their Inner Spaces as seen with Geed, Zero, Kei and Belial, but at the very least, their special techniques should be able to given the numerous instances of such being shown. As for this potentially being unusable due to the mentions of Inner Spaces, there's no reason that it only applies to those with one. I mean, the earlier examples show the monsters being affected without us ever seeing inside of it. While it's obvious for Ultras, Inner Spaces are means of showing the inner workings of monsters that are controlled by a sentient being. Most of the time.

In Conclusion

All Ultras, and some select few evil characters are to have a form of mind and soul hax due to these examples showing them as being able to affect their consciousness directly. And if not all of them, Geed, Zero, Kei and Belial can do it physically. And for those who can't do it directly,, then they should have it via techniques.

Also it's fine we don't show the earlier shows, right? I don't remember much other than Tiga, Nexus and Mebius as covering this topic as extensively. And even then, those are really hard to scour for.
 
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Yeah I think its fine. I'll add the blog onto the ultra physiology sandbox and the consciousness stuff onto Part 2 now. And should I post it now or wait a bit?

Edit: This is how it looks now.

Miscellaneous Ultra Series Revision Part 2

Galaxy Crisis Era Changes

Probably should‘ve put this in part one but I forgot. So I’m doing it in part two instead.

So currently the reason they are 3-A is because of Hikari defeating Armored Mefilas (G) who we assume is 3-A like the Armored Mefilas from Mega Monster Battle NEO rather easily.

However, I realized there were actually more evidence against them being 3-A early on in the Galaxy Crisis Era than there were for them being 3-A. In Ghost Rebirth Part II, we see that Mechazam who is the host that revives Alien Empera was actually strong enough to fight off Ace, Taro, and Hikari at the same time in his true form Ghost Rebirth. And they made a big deal about Alien Empera reviving in Part I as well as in Part II when Alien Empera was starting to be resurrected. So at this period of time the Ultra Brothers are clearly shown to still be inferior to Alien Empera who is above baseline 3-A scaling from being stronger than Juda.

This is further supported in Ultra Galaxy Legend as Ultraman, Seven, and Mebius were actually shown to be more or less comparable to Rei's Gomora in Base who is 3-B+ for being half as strong as Reionic Burst Gomora who defeated the Armored Mefilas who was stated to be Armored Darkness reincarnated and has power on par with Armored Darkness who is on par with Alien Empera. And in Mega Monster Battle NEO it is shown that Seven was able to fight Armored Darkness but still lost to it in the end. So the Ultras being 3-B+ at the beginning of the Galaxy Crisis Era is actually much more consistent. Although this doesn't mean they stayed 3-B+ forever as it was shown that by Belial Galactic Empire, Seven is able to fight Darclops Zero alongside Zero which shows that the other Ultras did eventually become 3-A in the Galaxy Crisis Era.

The Ultra Brothers being 3-B+ (1/2 3-A) at the time also fits more with the monster army being strong enough to somewhat hurt them as we currently assume they are stronger than monsters from Ultraman Mebius in the previous era whom are at least 4-A, likely 3-B (1/10 3-A).

So I was thinking that the Ultra Brothers during the Galaxy Crisis Era should be 3-B+ to 3-A rather than just straight up 3-A like they currently are. The other Ultras whom are shown to fight Belial in Ultra Galaxy Legends like Powered, Neos, and etc. should be At least 4-A, likely 3-B, for being stronger than Mebius from Heisei Era and possibly 3-B+ in the Galaxy Crisis Era as Max who was among the group of Ultras fighting Belial is actually comparable to Hikari during the beginning of the Galaxy Crisis Era.

All those that fully scale to Belial would still be 3-A as he can block and deflect a combo beam from three 3-B+. And it’s shown very clearly that in the Ultra Series that combination attacks are at least addition and many times multiplication. Heck even attacks that don’t combine are considered at least additive and sometimes multiplicative.

Neos and Seven 21's double kick having more than 4x the power of their individual kicks

Future Cosmos and Crusher Justice's combo beam Cross Perfection being noted to be several times stronger than their normal beams

Mebium Knight Shoot doubles the power of their beams even though they aren’t even aiming at the same spot

Ultra Physiology

So I have been making an Ultra Physiology page in my sandbox a while back so I was hoping to get these abilities for the physiology page accepted. If there are any abilities I missed that multiple Ultras have shown to use please bring it up.

Abilities​

  • Absorption and Empowerment: Ultras can absorb light to recharge or power themselves up. Ultras are also able to use positive abstract concepts such as bonds and hope to power up.
  • Astral Projection: Ultras are capable of appearing to others in an astral form should they chose to. If they have taken a host, they will be invisible to everyone but their host and other Ultras.
  • Creation: Ultras are capable of creating matter out of nothing. The objects they create can range from bracelets, weapons, to even celestial bodies like stars.
  • Data Manipulation and Technological Manipulation: Ultras are shown to be able to convert themselves into data to fight against enemies within computers. Alternatively, they can also hijack electronic devices.
  • Energy Manipulation: Ultras are able to fire energy beams from different parts such as their hand, arm, head, and etc. They can also erect energy barriers to shield themselves.
  • Enhanced Senses: Ultras are capable of seeing in the dark, and possess extremely good hearing.
  • Extrasensory Perception: Should their natural senses fail, an Ultra is capable of enhancing them to supernatural levels, such as employing x-ray vision to view through obstacles and reveal enemies that otherwise would bypass even their already enhanced senses. They are also capable of detecting life signatures within creatures.
  • Explosion Manipulation: Many Ultras finishers causes an explosions of some form.
  • Flight and Spaceflight: Ultras have the ability to fly and have also been known to fly interstellar and even intergalactic distances.
  • Healing: Ultras who take on hosts are able to fully heal themselves between battles.
  • Immortality (Type 4, 8 with a host): Ultras are never truly dead unless their color timers are destroyed. If their color timer isn't destroyed they can still come back to life once they have regained enough energy. If the Ultra takes up a host, their lives are usually connected, which means that if they suffer a fatal damage, the Ultra can opt to undo their transformation to save their hosts. In turn, they too would remain alive, though heavily weakened.
  • Large Size (Type 1): All Ultras are giants that are shown to be the size of buildings.
  • Light Manipulation: Being Giants of Light, Ultras are also composed of light energy that flows through their body, normally called the Inner Light. Ultras can use a form of long distance communication called the Ultra Signs. These are series of characters that appear in the sky or space and are created from light.
  • Longevity: Ultras have extremely long life spans, when compared to humans.
  • Non-Physical Interaction and Soul Manipulation: Ultras have shown the ability to touch intangible beings like Leugocyte in its gas form as well as non-corporeal beings like the ghost monsters that Reibatos revived. Ultras are also responsible for maintaining the Monster Graveyard, keeping the souls resting there subdued and destroying them in the case they reawaken and start rampaging.
  • Pocket Reality Manipulation: Ultras are shown to have the ability to create mini pocket dimensions where space-time is distorted. These are normally used as means of communicating with their hosts if they have one.
  • Portal Creation: Ultras can create wormholes to quickly travel the vast distances of space.
  • Possession and Resurrection: Ultras are able to share their life force with a human, fusing the two of them into one being. This act can revive a recently deceased person, though they will have to depend on the Ultra's energy to live.
  • Self-Sustenance (Type 1 and 2): Ultras are often shown to have no trouble surviving in the vacuum of space and haven't been shown to have the need for any food or water. Instead they replenish their energy by absorbing light.
  • Shapeshifting: Ultras can copy the appearance of others or create a new appearance for themselves.
  • Size Manipulation: Ultras are able to change their physical size from microscopic to giant. As a result, they are also capable of countering abilities that forcefully alters their size. They can also exploit this ability to get inside of enemies and destroy them from within where there are less resistances.
  • Superhuman Physical Characteristics: Ultras have displayed enhanced strength, speed and agility.
  • Telepathy and Telekinesis: Ultras are able to communicate with their own kind and other beings through their telepathy. This telepathy is able to operate over long distances. Many Ultras have also been shown to have the ability to use telekinesis. It is possible their telepathic abilities can be used offensively, as a weakened Mebius with presumably troubled control over his abilities, caused pain when attempting to telepathically communicate with Rei. Sufficiently trained telekinetic powers allows an Ultra to take hold of even their enemies, immobilizing them and keeping them suspended in mid-air.
  • Teleportation: Ultras are all capable of using teleportation to quickly travel between different places. Though this is considered a life-threatening technique and puts a strain on their body.

Resistances​

  • Gravity Manipulation: Ultras are capable of resisting the gravity of gas giants fairly easily.
  • Heat Manipulation: Ultras are capable of casually handling even the heat of a star.
  • Radiation Manipulation: Ultras are capable of resisting the radiation emitted from nearby stars, ignoring even prolonged exposure to them.
  • Air Manipulation: Ultras can also resist the extreme atmospheric pressures of different planets. They are also able to navigate in deep seas without trouble.
Ultras attacking the consciousness

Ultraman Ginga

(Episode 10: The Nackle outright states that if Ginga and Jean-Nine were to attack him, or rather his physical body, it wouldn't just affect him but will also take out their friend. Messed up the order)

Ultraman Ginga S

(Episode 5: There's also this one, which is a bit weirder as it only shows Ginga kicking Yapool which extracts his host from him)

Ultraman X

(Episode 5: Here it's stated that X's Xanadium Beam has particles which turn monsters, and other beings actually, into Spark Dolls. The effects of turning into a Spark Doll is that one would have their consciousness locked or sealed away, and their flow of time stopped. The former no longer applies as of X, but that's about the gist of the mechanics behind a Spark Doll. See: . In short, Xanadium Ray is capable of directly affecting the minds of its targets thanks to that effect, as do X's some other techniques)

Ultraman Orb

https://youtu.be/5kIWhfoIKpQ?t=497 (Episode 17: Another example of destroying the body also affecting the person in its Inner Space)

https://youtu.be/AkOxfCp9NL0?t=390 (Episode 23: As we've seen many times before at this point, when the hosts or human forms are transformed, they physically become the Ultra, and them operating in their Inner Space is a way to show how deep their bond goes. So here, wielding the antithesis to Light, Juggler says "Now you'll learn the true power of darkness" before attacking Orb. This does also open up a new topic, that being Light and Darkness, in the context of this series, are capable of overpowering each other, and often, everything else. Here, after attaining a stronger darkness, Juggler is easily capable of damaging Orb with his technique.)

Ultraman Geed

( Episode 12: We see Geed's attacks directly affecting Kei who is in his Inner Space, and vice versa, and later the two lock themselves in a contest of strength, which soon shifts solely to focus on their human forms, signifying a more internal battle going on alongside their giant forms. This one has a more versatile showing, as it shows both sides of Light and Darkness users as being able to attack each others' mind and soul directly through their energies. The energy they use is also widely referred to as Light Energy or Dark Energy, signifying that they have the same source as the hearts of their users. Sadly, even I don't have explicit showings of such readily available)

https://youtu.be/OmefRw4BH3w?t=573 (Episode 17: As stated before in a previous CRT, here we see a corrupted Geed acting as Chimeraberos' operating consciousness to attack Zero. And given previous and later instances, this again adds to the point)

https://youtu.be/RRdM2TwH5QE?t=879 (Episode 22: There's also another one here in a less direct but just as similar manner where Geed and Zero's hosts also react similarly to their Ultra bodies while holding off Kei)

https://youtu.be/QHA1bLWV3nA?t=379 (Episode 25: Geed and Belial locks against each other and it soon shows the two in their Inner Spaces fighting each other)

Ultraman R/B

https://youtu.be/j_PV8lJUAt0?t=51 (Episode 12: This is a weird one as it shows from an enemy's side of affecting one inside an Inner Space. But hey, it's an example)

Ultraman Taiga

https://youtu.be/R6ALE3kLsAk?t=329 (Episode 25: As it shows here, Taiga turns himself into light and enters the monster's body to try and retrieve their friend. Another piece of extra info, light particles in Ultraman are now known as Astral Particles, which is what allows them to bond/fuse with targets such as humans, essentially meaning that they are able to break themselves down to a spiritual level in order to fuse with humans and such. And seen here, they can also do it in the middle of battle to extract whatever important consciousness resides in a target)

https://youtu.be/hd-tV6AeBvU?t=846 (Episode 3: Going off order for a bit. Here we see another example (the first, actually) of an Ultra stuck in their light particle form bypassing Galactron's physical body to extract the soul inside of it)

Ultraman Z

https://youtu.be/P2UtXEOBJeE?t=1301 (Episode 7: The three Ultras fire their beams, and the bad guy comes out heavily injured)

https://youtu.be/NdfwFKnYz1g?t=1355 (Episode 8: Z goes inside but there's no physical sign of the user, once again adding to the fact that Inner Spaces are a completely non-physical place where the consciousness operates. And again, bad guy Celebro gets pretty torn up)

https://youtu.be/9baNWzAQabc?t=1462 (Episode 24: Late Spoiler warning. But that's fine. Here we see Z get pretty much destroyed, but then it switches over to the Inner Space, where it now shows Haruki's inner self in an unmoving state as means of signifying the translation of physical damage as also being spiritual damage)

Lastly, I guess it's not so much that everyone will be able to physically interact and damage each other through their Inner Spaces as seen with Geed, Zero, Kei and Belial, but at the very least, their special techniques should be able to given the numerous instances of such being shown. As for this potentially being unusable due to the mentions of Inner Spaces, there's no reason that it only applies to those with one. I mean, the earlier examples show the monsters being affected without us ever seeing inside of it. While it's obvious for Ultras, Inner Spaces are means of showing the inner workings of monsters that are controlled by a sentient being. Most of the time.

TLDR/Summary

Galaxy Crisis Era Ultra Brothers and those that scale should be changed from 3-A → 3-B+ to 3-A.
Ultra Physiology Page ability additions
All Ultras, and some select few evil characters are to have a form of mind and soul hax due to these examples showing them as being able to affect their consciousness directly. And if not all of them, Geed, Zero, Kei and Belial can do it physically. And for those who can't do it directly,, then they should have it via techniques.
 
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Well it's up to you, but given that it's pretty overdue for us to update all of these, I think anytime soon would be alright. Other than that, everything looks good.
 
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