The Ultimate Life Form vs The King of Curses

[Rosa]

Chariot already brought up Kars can travel hundred meters under a second

This isn't a quantification, nice try tho! I'll dumb it down for you:

Sukuna & Kars = X

Kars can amp himself to be >X

Sukuna's domain expansion rate is Y

We can loosely quantify how much greater Y is from X, so I'm asking you if we can quantify how much >X is from X to compare >X to Y

Saying "well on Kars profile his speed rating is 99999999999x Sukuna's!!!! He can cannonically move these distances in a fraction of a second!" isn't relevant, because we're not using on profile speed tiers but instead an equalised playing field.

 

[Rosa]

Everything doesn't need to be on profile in depth (its an outdated profile), Kars has stat amp on profile is all that's needed.

Statistics Amplification (Empowers his body with the Hamon breathing technique and energy, amplifying his body and physical prowess)

I ASKED for the evidence, ya'll said "go read the profile", I ask where on the profile, ya'll say "the profiles are outdated!". WHERE'S THE EVIDENCE THEN? Where do i look?!

What is going on lmao?? Equal speed doesn't mean they can't amp themselves, Kars can amp his speed.

You need to quantify by HOW MUCH he can amp his speed.

For instance, if I was doing a equalised speed Goku vs Sukuna, I'd say Goku can outrun DE by saying how Goku can amp his speed by several thousands of times. So I'm asking you, by how much does Kars amp his speed to prove the amp is enough for your win con to be accurate?

 

[Chariot190]

Bringing up characters different speed ratings in an equal speed matchup, ya'll need to use your thinking caps

Yeah, man, speed equal don't work the way you think it does.

Who's saying Sukuna will use it 100m away? He'd obviously get within a fighting range of Kars and then use DE.

Uh, starting distance is 100m?

Where on the profile does it say Kars can amp himself to travel 200m before people equal to his base speed can even react?

He has statistic amp. You asked how much, you were told how much. No shit it's not gonna gonna specify numbers like that?

But like, what, do you think Goku going from Base to Bluex20 can't blitz the shit out of someone because it doesn't specifically say "Goku could blitz someone from this distance with his amps who was equal to him previously"? Also for what it's worth, Tarkus can literally perception blitz people, yet when Jonathan got Will's Hamon, he outsped the Tarkus who just moments before could teleport on them.

It's not "exploiting a gimmick" when it's the guidelines of the matchup. Dude, the matchup is EQUAL SPEED, if you don't like the fact that Kars can't speed blitz still then go make another thread. Stop coping and whining about it.

No like, literally a rule, I quoted it no? That's how it works. If you don't like it, go get versus thread rules overturned.

It is how matches work, nothing you posted goes against that. If all you're going to post is "KARS BLITZES AND IF YOU DISAGREE YOU'RE EXPLOITING STUFF" then get out equal speed threads

It literally isn't. Speed equal is a handicap for the faster chaacter, who is Kars. Sukuna exploiting his handicap to outspeed him with a move that's quicker than his combat speed, which is what Kars gets dropped to, but said move is normally useless against Kars due to its speed, is, in fact, exploiting speed equal in a way we general do not accept and thus why we don't add matches that hinge on that to profiles. Like, that is straight up the rule. I quoted it even.

 

[Chariot190]

This isn't a quantification, nice try tho! I'll dumb it down for you:

Sukuna & Kars = X

Kars can amp himself to be >X

Sukuna's domain expansion rate is Y

We can loosely quantify how much greater Y is from X, so I'm asking you if we can quantify how much >X is from X to compare >X to Y

Saying "well on Kars profile his speed rating is 99999999999x Sukuna's!!!! He can cannonically move these distances in a fraction of a second!" isn't relevant, because we're not using on profile speed tiers but instead an equalised playing field.

You were given an example, Hamon can enable amps that allow them to outspeed dudes who were otherwise perception blitzing. DE doesn't have a hard value either. It's just "visually way quicker", same here. Don't be a hypocrite, and tone down your shit.

 

[Arkenis]

We can loosely quantify how much greater Y is from X, so I'm asking you if we can quantify how much >X is from X to compare >X to Y

Alright so we show you the feats, you're gonna accept them or just go and argue against them then act like domains speed is somehow greater?

 

[Arkansalter2]

Naked fighter FRA and thats grace.

 

[Rosa]

Yeah, man, speed equal don't work the way you think it does.

"equalised speed doesn't mean equalised speed" 5head

Uh, starting distance is 100m?

Since when does that mean they can't close the distance?

He has statistic amp. You asked how much, you were told how much. No shit it's not gonna gonna specify numbers like that?

But like, what, do you think Goku going from Base to Bluex20 can't blitz the shit out of someone because it doesn't specifically say "Goku could blitz someone from this distance with his amps who was equal to him previously"?

We can use the multiplier numbers and showings of the different forms in DB to demonstrate those sort of gaps are plausible with SSB (and even base SSJ), but we can only infer it from that evidence. We can't just say someone can amp their speed and then deduce they'd blitz the opposing side with 200m distance.

Also for what it's worth, Tarkus can literally perception blitz people, yet when Jonathan got Will's Hamon, he outsped the Tarkus who just moments before could teleport on them.

Whats the distance Tarkus can blitz Jonathan from?

No like, literally a rule, I quoted it no? That's how it works. If you don't like it, go get versus thread rules overturned.

It's a rule against adding the matchup onto the profile, not a rule on how equalised speed works.

You were given an example, Hamon can enable amps that allow them to outspeed dudes who were otherwise perception blitzing. DE doesn't have a hard value either. It's just "visually way quicker", same here. Don't be a hypocrite, and tone down your shit.

We can give a form of quantification, DE can manifest themselves before opponents can fully react so it's a huge gap above the sorcerers themselves (especially for Sukuna's DE which needs to cover hundreds of meters).

Alright so we show you the feats, you're gonna accept them or just go and argue against them then act like domains speed is somehow greater?

If the feats genuinely demonstrate the amp is great enough to dodge a domain that would expand hundreds of meters before Sukuna is given time to react, then yes I'll accept it, but if you just show someone blitzing a person from like 5 meters away then obviously that's not going to suffice.

 

[Chariot190]

"equalised speed doesn't mean equalised speed" 5head

Yep. Also keep it up.

Since when does that mean they can't close the distance?

Speed equal. In the time it takes Sukuna to move 1m, guess how much Kars has moved. Over 1m because he can amp his speed. But even without that, 1m. How is Sukuna bridging that gap? Kars has prior knowledge too, but unlike Sukuna, Kars can also just like, throw a thousand vampire nematodes at him forcing him to deal with them.

We can use the multiplier numbers and showings of the different forms in DB to demonstrate those sort of gaps are plausible with SSB (and even base SSJ), but we can only infer it from that evidence. We can't just say someone can amp their speed and then deduce they'd blitz the opposing side with 200m distance.

And yet, you're arguing that
"His speed would be equal to Sukuna's, in JJK your DE expands far faster than your own speed (Gojo and Sukuna were both relative, their DE would cover each other in a blink of an eye for them). Stop ratting"

All you're doing is infering it, you're doing the very thing you're complaining about, except worse because yours goes against how we generally do matches, and you brought it up to begin with, nobody cared about Kars amps beforehand.

Whats the distance Tarkus can blitz Jonathan from?

As below.

It's a rule against adding the matchup onto the profile, not a rule on how equalised speed works.

And it's up to OP if we enable that. I can't speak for Arkenis, but given his ass has been arguing with you on it.... I don't think I need to speak for him.

We can give a form of quantification, DE can manifest themselves before opponents can fully react so it's a huge gap above the sorcerers themselves (especially for Sukuna's DE which needs to cover hundreds of meters).

That isn't quantification, that's an assumption. We don't rate DE as MHS for example. That isn't how we do things, but, if that's the route you wanna take, see below.

If the feats genuinely demonstrate the amp is great enough to dodge a domain that would expand hundreds of meters before Sukuna is given time to react, then yes I'll accept it, but if you just show someone blitzing a person from like 5 meters away then obviously that's not going to suffice.

Unfortunate. My job isn't to convince you, you but you know what, I'm going to do literally exactly that to prove why you're being unrealistic and how your own assumptions don't actually work nor how we do things as a wiki. 5m? I'll go even lower.



Jonathan and Will were equal in speed.



Will attacks Tarkus, Tarkus waits till Will's foot is mere cm away from his face, and then vanishes, and moves like 7m behind him (Tarkus himself is like 3.5m tall), statuing him.

No point really calcing it, given calc stacking. But say Will was 10cm from landing his blow (Was less), that's a 70x gap (7m (700cm) / 10cm).



With Will's Hamon roiding out his own, his speed has now jumped to where Tarkus, inches from landing his punch, gets outsped by Jonathan's double fisted blow, despite his arms being behind his back when Tarkus's fist was inches from landing. Jonathan had to swing his arms in front of him in the time before Tarkus' hit could land. Say Jonathan has an arm length of 75cm (he's 195cm) so a 180 degree arc would be 235.61cm. And Tarkus' blow was about 21cm away (A head is a lil over 21cm, fist was about a head's height away), that would mean Jonathan's blow was 11x Tarkus' in speed (235cm / 21cm = like 11.19x).

Jonathan went from equal to Will, to 11x Tarkus, that's a gap of 785x (70 x 11.19). In the time it takes Sukuna to move 1m, Kars would have move 785m, awesome cool and epic.

Obviously very rough values but ya know how it is. This is why calc stacking is dumb as shit everyone, and why we don't actually try to quantify this shit and only accept hard stated values, you can make even a subsonic feat FTL with enough slop like this.

But like really, what do you want? It's an unquantifiable amp, it's a decent amp thou that can bridge speed gaps equal to blitzing, that's what we see, that's what we treat it as, and Kars has the greatest Hamon in existence (100s of times greater than Joseph, which thinking on it.... Might be the number we're working with) His amps would eclipse any other Hamon amp with it.

But like really dude, you need to knock it off, generally I'm the dude called out as an asshole, and even I'm like you need to cut it back a lil.

 

[Nierre]

i forgot im staff

@Rosa Cool it with the personal insults. You can attack the person's argument without attacking their character.

 

[Rosa]

Yep. Also keep it up.

So sensitive

Speed equal. In the time it takes Sukuna to move 1m, guess how much Kars has moved. Over 1m because he can amp his speed.

That's crazy. Do you think the rate of a sorcerers domain expansion is equal to their movement speed?

But even without that, 1m. How is Sukuna bridging that gap?

By walking up to him? Just because Kars is faster doesn't mean Sukuna cannot travel towards him, idk what you think this sort of argument is.

Kars has prior knowledge too, but unlike Sukuna, Kars can also just like, throw a thousand vampire nematodes at him forcing him to deal with them.

Have a guess at what Sukuna's CT does.....

And yet, you're arguing that
"His speed would be equal to Sukuna's, in JJK your DE expands far faster than your own speed (Gojo and Sukuna were both relative, their DE would cover each other in a blink of an eye for them). Stop ratting"

All you're doing is infering it, you're doing the very thing you're complaining about, except worse because yours goes against how we generally do matches, and you brought it up to begin with, nobody cared about Kars amps beforehand.

Inferring a quantification from the scale of movement isn't the same as inferring a conclusion from incomplete premises, no, and it's this dishonest conflation which is why I said your argument is ratty. I can bring a series of premises which all reinforce a conclusion, i.e. "Sukuna's domain can cross x distance in the time span it takes him to make a reaction ergo it's at least this y times faster than him", meanwhile the best you've given me thusfar is "Kars can amp himself, ergo he can BLITZ Sukuna 200 meters away", to act as if these are at all comparable is insane behaviour.

And it's up to OP if we enable that. I can't speak for Arkenis, but given his ass has been arguing with you on it.... I don't think I need to speak for him.

If Arkenis wants to bite the bullet and go "well if we abide strictly by the regulations I made for the match up then Sukuna would win, so I'll allow for us to ignore the relevant one's" then yes, Sukuna would no longer win. Nice W, Chariot!

That isn't quantification, that's an assumption. We don't rate DE as MHS for example. That isn't how we do things, but, if that's the route you wanna take, see below.

You neither know the definition of an assumption or quantification. An assumption, BY DEFINITION, is to hold a statement to be true without prior proof or validation meanwhile I'm laying out a chain of premises and making a deduction from those. Further, a quantification doesn't need to be an exact number, we can infer that a blitz from a million meter gap is far more impressive than a blitz from a 10 meter gap, yet we'd struggle to find the exact figure difference due to how many different factors there are to blitzing a person from an extended distance. This is powerscaling 101.

Unfortunate. My job isn't to convince you

Then leave the thread and stop arguing with people. If you're going to take this stance where you argue so abrasively but then act obtuse when pressed for evidence idk why you're even here arguing. You clearly don't know what "equal speed" means, you clearly don't know the standards of the site when they conflict with your agenda, and you very clearly can't debate in good faith, so why are you still responding to me?

Jonathan and Will were equal in speed.



Will attacks Tarkus, Tarkus waits till Will's foot is mere cm away from his face, and then vanishes, and moves like 7m behind him (Tarkus himself is like 3.5m tall), statuing him.

No point really calcing it, given calc stacking. But say Will was 10cm from landing his blow (Was less), that's a 70x gap (7m (700cm) / 10cm).



With Will's Hamon roiding out his own, his speed has now jumped to where Tarkus, inches from landing his punch, gets outsped by Jonathan's double fisted blow, despite his arms being behind his back when Tarkus's fist was inches from landing. Jonathan had to swing his arms in front of him in the time before Tarkus' hit could land. Say Jonathan has an arm length of 75cm (he's 195cm) so a 180 degree arc would be 235.61cm. And Tarkus' blow was about 21cm away (A head is a lil over 21cm, fist was about a head's height away), that would mean Jonathan's blow was 11x Tarkus' in speed (235cm / 21cm = like 11.19x).

Jonathan went from equal to Will, to 11x Tarkus, that's a gap of 785x (70 x 11.19). In the time it takes Sukuna to move 1m, Kars would have move 785m, awesome cool and epic.

Obviously very rough values but ya know how it is. This is why calc stacking is dumb as shit everyone, and why we don't actually try to quantify this shit and only accept hard stated values, you can make even a subsonic feat FTL with enough slop like this.

So to answer my question for evidence you decided to present to me a list of calc stacking and then ended it off by saying you don't agree with calc stacking? Very smart. To reiterate what I asked for:

"If the feats genuinely demonstrate the amp is great enough to dodge a domain that would expand hundreds of meters before Sukuna is given time to react, then yes I'll accept it, but if you just show someone blitzing a person from like 5 meters away then obviously that's not going to suffice."

Give the back and forth and how getting a slither of evidence from you is like pulling teeth and then this is the best you can come up with, I'll just assume you can't substantiate your claim of Kars being able to blitz Sukuna so severely that he'd fly out of his domains range (200m) before it could even reach him.

But like really, what do you want? It's an unquantifiable amp, it's a decent amp thou that can bridge speed gaps equal to blitzing, that's what we see, that's what we treat it as

Right, which is why I've never had an issue with the claim that in a close ranged fight that Kars could overwhelm Sukuna with a barrage of blows, my issue is you claiming from these that Kars would fly TWO-HUNDRED METERS before Sukuna could react. Do you not see how these two claims are worlds apart?

But like really dude, you need to knock it off, generally I'm the dude called out as an asshole, and even I'm like you need to cut it back a lil.

i forgot im staff

@Rosa Cool it with the personal insults. You can attack the person's argument without attacking their character.

All of my "personal insults" have been directed towards his arguments and conduct. I think it's very obvious Chariot is engaged in bad faith, so I called his behaviour ratty and of poor debate ethic, idk in what world someone using such minor language is more of an offense to the thread than someone openly engaging in this level of sophistry.

 

[Chariot190]

So sensitive

It's the rules.

That's crazy. Do you think the rate of a sorcerers domain expansion is equal to their movement speed?

I don't really care, it's the rules.

By walking up to him? Just because Kars is faster doesn't mean Sukuna cannot travel towards him, idk what you think this sort of argument is.

Which he would never be able to accomplish because Kars is faster?

Sukuna moves 1m. Kars moves 1m. Sukuna will never be able to get close to Kars because for every meter Sukuna moves, Kars has also moved a meter as speed is equal. Except that isn't actually true, as Kars can amp his speed, so it's more like for every meter Sukuna moved, Kars has moved so and so many more, not just making it impossible to get close, but actively extending the gap between them. Mind you, they start 100m apart.

Have a guess at what Sukuna's CT does.....

Nothing to stop a thousand vampire nematodes that can be thrown out for a year straight.

Inferring a quantification from the scale of movement isn't the same as inferring a conclusion from incomplete premises, no, and it's this dishonest conflation which is why I said your argument is ratty. I can bring a series of premises which all reinforce a conclusion, i.e. "Sukuna's domain can cross x distance in the time span it takes him to make a reaction ergo it's at least this y times faster than him", meanwhile the best you've given me thusfar is "Kars can amp himself, ergo he can BLITZ Sukuna 200 meters away", to act as if these are at all comparable is insane behaviour.

Man that ain't how this works. We just treat them as unquantifiable gaps.

And no, you were told, multiple times, that Hamon can enable amping to the extend that they can blitz characters who could blitz them. And you were even told his Hamon is hundreds of times Joseph's. That was what you were given, not just "he can amp". Furthermore, immediately assuming anything you don't like is dishonest or ratty isn't a good to go.

If Arkenis wants to bite the bullet and go "well if we abide strictly by the regulations I made for the match up then Sukuna would win, so I'll allow for us to ignore the relevant one's" then yes, Sukuna would no longer win. Nice W, Chariot!

Why are you even here if you don't like the literal versus thread rules? That's literally just the rules.
A character's wincondition being based solely on the fact they have an attack quicker than themselves, so it's quicker than their foe, but only in speed equal because normally the speed value would be a nonfactor, invalidates the match. It's a site rule, this is the default.

You neither know the definition of an assumption or quantification. An assumption, BY DEFINITION, is to hold a statement to be true without prior proof or validation meanwhile I'm laying out a chain of premises and making a deduction from those.

As have I, but no, not really.
Your statement is "DE can cover 200m almost instantly from their perspective, so it blitzes", ignoring VTR.
When told "Hamon can enable people to statue others who were equal with them", you handwave it.

All that's being done is aserting one type of blitz over the other, discrediting the other even if in terms of pure values it's higher because it doesn't conform to your own standards regardless of whether it's true or not, and then just like, running with it?

Further, a quantification doesn't need to be an exact number, we can infer that a blitz from a million meter gap is far more impressive than a blitz from a 10 meter gap, yet we'd struggle to find the exact figure difference due to how many different factors there are to blitzing a person from an extended distance. This is powerscaling 101.

No, really this is just cherry picking your own definition.
A blitz from a 10m gap can be more impressive than a blitz from a 1000m gap depending on the context.
Barely blitzing from 1000m away, or blitzing from 10m away to where in the time it takes them to move 10m, the foe has only moved 0.001m, is actively more impressive.

What you want, is strictly big distance crossing, when speed is more complex than that.

A quantification does need an exact number, that's literally what you've been complaining on about, being told "yeah Kars can bridge blitzes with his amps" wasn't sufficient, him being able to statue people isn't sufficient, you solely want big distance cross and are handwaving all other types of feats, in which some are even more impressive.

As an aside, we aren't powerscaling here, it's a vs match. This is 100% not allowed in regards to our indexing, without a direct statement, it just gets a "higher".

Then leave the thread and stop arguing with people. If you're going to take this stance where you argue so abrasively but then act obtuse when pressed for evidence idk why you're even here arguing.

To convince everyone else. I don't really care what you think, vote for who you want, idc.

You clearly don't know what "equal speed" means, you clearly don't know the standards of the site when they conflict with your agenda, and you very clearly can't debate in good faith, so why are you still responding to me?

I have literally quoted the speed equal rules to you.
Your argument doesn't work, it goes against the very standards for what is allowed in speed equal if we want the match added, if you do not like that, instad of acting the way you are, go make a CRT for it.

So to answer my question for evidence you decided to present to me a list of calc stacking and then ended it off by saying you don't agree with calc stacking? Very smart. To reiterate what I asked for:

You wanted quantification, because "they can amp themselves to where they can blitz characters that could blitz them before" wasn't good enough apparently.

"If the feats genuinely demonstrate the amp is great enough to dodge a domain that would expand hundreds of meters before Sukuna is given time to react, then yes I'll accept it, but if you just show someone blitzing a person from like 5 meters away then obviously that's not going to suffice."

Yeah, and you got that, and then it wasn't good enough.

Give the back and forth and how getting a slither of evidence from you is like pulling teeth and then this is the best you can come up with, I'll just assume you can't substantiate your claim of Kars being able to blitz Sukuna so severely that he'd fly out of his domains range (200m) before it could even reach him.

Literally already mentioned how his Hamon is hundreds of times Joseph, but that's neither here nor there.
Already mentioned how it can enable them to statue others.

And no, Kars only needs to cover 100m, in the time it takes the DE to cover double. Kars with all his amps only needs to be 0.5x as fast as the DE, to invalidate it. And that's without getting into the fact that the DE still needs Sukuna to actually, well, do it? He never leads with it bar few exceptions, not his consistent lead even with knowledge, and Kars is still able to amp himself to where he can blitz Sukuna. In the time Sukuna recognizes the fact he must use it, Kars would have already performed numerous actions.

Right, which is why I've never had an issue with the claim that in a close ranged fight that Kars could overwhelm Sukuna with a barrage of blows, my issue is you claiming from these that Kars would fly TWO-HUNDRED METERS before Sukuna could react. Do you not see how these two claims are worlds apart?

What? The fight starts 100m away? Kars not only doesn't have to fly 200m, but Sukuna
1. Never leads with DE even with prior knowledge.
2. Kars can amp himself drastically, to the point of statuing.
3. Arguing DE is quicker than Kars invalidates the match, nobody but you wants that, so we aren't gonna do that just so Sukuna can loophole a win.
4. As above, Kars even with all his amps, only needs to be half as fast as DE even if we went with your logic and invalidated the match, to get out of DE.

All of my "personal insults" have been directed towards his arguments and conduct. I think it's very obvious Chariot is engaged in bad faith, so I called his behaviour ratty and of poor debate ethic, idk in what world someone using such minor language is more of an offense to the thread than someone openly engaging in this level of sophistry.

Ignoring the fact we literally have a rule about not assuming bad faith, you've actively hurled direct insults at one's person. Paltry ones sure, but an insult is an insult. Not allowed lad.

And you're telling me, but it's the rules, even what you think of as minor, isn't allowed, I know from firsthand experience even less than what you're doing, isn't allowed. Active rule breaking apparently. If you don't like it, go overturn the rules idk.

As an aside, you haven't yet commented on the fact Kars can like, come back from dust at his peak, so even with DE, that won't kill him, or the fact he can actively outlast Sukuna regardless of what Sukuna does.

 

[Arkansalter2]

All this arguing after grace is basically over is kinda crazy.

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

It's the rules.

I don't really care, it's the rules.

Which he would never be able to accomplish because Kars is faster?

Sukuna moves 1m. Kars moves 1m. Sukuna will never be able to get close to Kars because for every meter Sukuna moves, Kars has also moved a meter as speed is equal. Except that isn't actually true, as Kars can amp his speed, so it's more like for every meter Sukuna moved, Kars has moved so and so many more, not just making it impossible to get close, but actively extending the gap between them. Mind you, they start 100m apart.

Nothing to stop a thousand vampire nematodes that can be thrown out for a year straight.

Man that ain't how this works. We just treat them as unquantifiable gaps.

And no, you were told, multiple times, that Hamon can enable amping to the extend that they can blitz characters who could blitz them. And you were even told his Hamon is hundreds of times Joseph's. That was what you were given, not just "he can amp". Furthermore, immediately assuming anything you don't like is dishonest or ratty isn't a good to go.

Why are you even here if you don't like the literal versus thread rules? That's literally just the rules.
A character's wincondition being based solely on the fact they have an attack quicker than themselves, so it's quicker than their foe, but only in speed equal because normally the speed value would be a nonfactor, invalidates the match. It's a site rule, this is the default.

As have I, but no, not really.
Your statement is "DE can cover 200m almost instantly from their perspective, so it blitzes", ignoring VTR.
When told "Hamon can enable people to statue others who were equal with them", you handwave it.

All that's being done is aserting one type of blitz over the other, discrediting the other even if in terms of pure values it's higher because it doesn't conform to your own standards regardless of whether it's true or not, and then just like, running with it?

No, really this is just cherry picking your own definition.
A blitz from a 10m gap can be more impressive than a blitz from a 1000m gap depending on the context.
Barely blitzing from 1000m away, or blitzing from 10m away to where in the time it takes them to move 10m, the foe has only moved 0.001m, is actively more impressive.

What you want, is strictly big distance crossing, when speed is more complex than that.

A quantification does need an exact number, that's literally what you've been complaining on about, being told "yeah Kars can bridge blitzes with his amps" wasn't sufficient, him being able to statue people isn't sufficient, you solely want big distance cross and are handwaving all other types of feats, in which some are even more impressive.

As an aside, we aren't powerscaling here, it's a vs match. This is 100% not allowed in regards to our indexing, without a direct statement, it just gets a "higher".

To convince everyone else. I don't really care what you think, vote for who you want, idc.

I have literally quoted the speed equal rules to you.
Your argument doesn't work, it goes against the very standards for what is allowed in speed equal if we want the match added, if you do not like that, instad of acting the way you are, go make a CRT for it.

You wanted quantification, because "they can amp themselves to where they can blitz characters that could blitz them before" wasn't good enough apparently.

Yeah, and you got that, and then it wasn't good enough.

Literally already mentioned how his Hamon is hundreds of times Joseph, but that's neither here nor there.
Already mentioned how it can enable them to statue others.

And no, Kars only needs to cover 100m, in the time it takes the DE to cover double. Kars with all his amps only needs to be 0.5x as fast as the DE, to invalidate it. And that's without getting into the fact that the DE still needs Sukuna to actually, well, do it? He never leads with it bar few exceptions, not his consistent lead even with knowledge, and Kars is still able to amp himself to where he can blitz Sukuna. In the time Sukuna recognizes the fact he must use it, Kars would have already performed numerous actions.

What? The fight starts 100m away? Kars not only doesn't have to fly 200m, but Sukuna
1. Never leads with DE even with prior knowledge.
2. Kars can amp himself drastically, to the point of statuing.
3. Arguing DE is quicker than Kars invalidates the match, nobody but you wants that, so we aren't gonna do that just so Sukuna can loophole a win.
4. As above, Kars even with all his amps, only needs to be half as fast as DE even if we went with your logic and invalidated the match, to get out of DE.

Ignoring the fact we literally have a rule about not assuming bad faith, you've actively hurled direct insults at one's person. Paltry ones sure, but an insult is an insult. Not allowed lad.

And you're telling me, but it's the rules, even what you think of as minor, isn't allowed, I know from firsthand experience even less than what you're doing, isn't allowed. Active rule breaking apparently. If you don't like it, go overturn the rules idk.

As an aside, you haven't yet commented on the fact Kars can like, come back from dust at his peak, so even with DE, that won't kill him, or the fact he can actively outlast Sukuna regardless of what Sukuna does.

Why doesn't the profile section of his speed part say he can make himself 100x faster if his hamon is 100x stronger? You're using it to say he can make himself faster cuz it is 100x. But it isn't even on the speed section. Infact no scan for the 100x stronger either.
Why are we also confusing domain expansion with the speed of Sukuna himself. They aren't the same and they're literally different.

Actually. Why is it that Kars can amp himself with a energy system but not Sukuna? Hamon is a energy system. So is CE. Both doesn't start out with their energy system. Sukuna needs to flow his CE and get his output going to display the strength and speed he himself has. So it makes little sense that Kars can amp himself in equal speed but Sukuna can't why hasn't anybody brought this up yet.


Also you talk about dust... But like. Fire arrow craps on said dust. So Kars will die.

 

[Rosa]

I don't really care, it's the rules.

It's a "rule" that a sorcerer can run as fast as the rate at which their domain expands? Can you show me where that rule is?

Which he would never be able to accomplish because Kars is faster?

Sukuna moves 1m. Kars moves 1m. Sukuna will never be able to get close to Kars because for every meter Sukuna moves, Kars has also moved a meter as speed is equal. Except that isn't actually true, as Kars can amp his speed, so it's more like for every meter Sukuna moved, Kars has moved so and so many more, not just making it impossible to get close, but actively extending the gap between them. Mind you, they start 100m apart.

So Kars would just forever run away from Sukuna? As in, he'd run out the battlefield? As in, he'd concede the fight? ....

Also, you keep bringing up Kars statistics amplification and I assumed by it you were arguing it's some special ability, not just his energy system, so since you can't quantify the speed amp how do you get around the fact that Sukuna can also amplify his speed via CE? If you want to go band-for-band on how many perception blitzes we can stack onto it we can do that also.

Nothing to stop a thousand vampire nematodes that can be thrown out for a year straight.

Sukuna would just dice them apart, that's kinda his whole shtick actually

Man that ain't how this works. We just treat them as unquantifiable gaps.

"that ain't how this works" maybe actually try criticising the argument instead of appealing to rules that don't exist.

And no, you were told, multiple times, that Hamon can enable amping to the extend that they can blitz characters who could blitz them. And you were even told his Hamon is hundreds of times Joseph's. That was what you were given, not just "he can amp".

Right, and when you told me that I clearly said how that's not sufficient proof and you guys kept going on about how I'm missing something, but I don't think I was.

Furthermore, immediately assuming anything you don't like is dishonest or ratty isn't a good to go.

I'm not assuming you're dishonest because we disagree, I'm saying you're dishonest because of how you avoid your burden of proof for statements, misuse site rules to try and get out of challenging arguments, and pivot incessantly to dodge questions.

Why are you even here if you don't like the literal versus thread rules? That's literally just the rules.

It's not the rules.

A character's wincondition being based solely on the fact they have an attack quicker than themselves, so it's quicker than their foe, but only in speed equal because normally the speed value would be a nonfactor, invalidates the match. It's a site rule, this is the default.

We've already been over this, that's not the rule.

As have I, but no, not really.
Your statement is "DE can cover 200m almost instantly from their perspective, so it blitzes", ignoring VTR.
When told "Hamon can enable people to statue others who were equal with them", you handwave it.

Yes, because blitzing something from a distance of 200m isn't comparable to punching someone before their fist can reach you in a H2H exchange. Also whats VTR?

All that's being done is aserting one type of blitz over the other, discrediting the other even if in terms of pure values it's higher because it doesn't conform to your own standards regardless of whether it's true or not, and then just like, running with it?

the "pure values" is what makes a blitz impressive, so of course I'm going to categorise them based on that. To act like this is some arbitrary and absurd standard instead of actually engaging with the argument is why I call you dishonest btw; you're not pointing toward any flaw in the deduction, any gap in the premises, you're not bringing up any counter evidence, you're just sarcastically dismissing it and rewording it to try and clown over it. It's sophistry.

No, really this is just cherry picking your own definition.
A blitz from a 10m gap can be more impressive than a blitz from a 1000m gap depending on the context.
Barely blitzing from 1000m away, or blitzing from 10m away to where in the time it takes them to move 10m, the foe has only moved 0.001m, is actively more impressive.

We can add additional context to the analogy to make one more impressive than the other, sure, but that doesn't contend with the point wherein, given equal context, blitzing from a greater distance requires more speed.

Adding additional factors onto my analogy to "well aktually!" without actually addressing the point at hand, vsbw is cooked

What you want, is strictly big distance crossing, when speed is more complex than that.

No one's denying that speed is more complex than just distance, I'm just saying distance is important to speed. Even if I were to run with your standard here and say we can't make any sort of quantification EVER, that leaves us in a neutral position wherein we cannot say with any likelihood that Kars would be fast enough to outpace DE since we have no verifiable metric to demonstrate that. So even if I steelman your point, your conclusion doesn't follow, so see how you're not just pointlessly grasping at straws?

A quantification does need an exact number

This is just untrue, go read a dictionary.

As an aside, we aren't powerscaling here, it's a vs match.

To convince everyone else. I don't really care what you think, vote for who you want, idc.

If you want to prove your argument to other people, why say "I don't have to prove myself to you" when asked for evidence? Surely if your argument is true and valid you'd want to demonstrate the reliability of your claim by laying out strong evidence in favour? Oh wait... you don't have the evidence, which is why you're now backing off...

Yeah, and you got that, and then it wasn't good enough.

I said, explicitly, "if you just show someone blitzing a person from like 5 meters away then obviously that's not going to suffice." and you responded by showing me a blitz from less than 5 meters away, don't act like I've changed my standards at all here.

Literally already mentioned how his Hamon is hundreds of times Joseph, but that's neither here nor there.

Still waiting on the proof for this. When I asked you said "go read the profiles", I read the profiles and it wasn't there, then you said "well they're outdated", so again where is the proof that it's a 100x speed amp?

Already mentioned how it can enable them to statue others.

Already mentioned how that doesn't prove he can travel 200m to statue someone.

And no, Kars only needs to cover 100m, in the time it takes the DE to cover double. Kars with all his amps only needs to be 0.5x as fast as the DE, to invalidate it.

And you haven't proven that he can be that fast.

And that's without getting into the fact that the DE still needs Sukuna to actually, well, do it? He never leads with it bar few exceptions, not his consistent lead even with knowledge, and Kars is still able to amp himself to where he can blitz Sukuna. In the time Sukuna recognizes the fact he must use it, Kars would have already performed numerous actions.

This is a different argument. Prove Kars speed amp is above Sukuna's own speed amp.

1. Never leads with DE even with prior knowledge.

Why?

2. Kars can amp himself drastically, to the point of statuing.

Repeating arguments instead of address counter arguments to them, nice fallacious argumentation.

3. Arguing DE is quicker than Kars invalidates the match, nobody but you wants that, so we aren't gonna do that just so Sukuna can loophole a win.

It's not a loophole if its how Sukuna's abilities work like omg you're actually throwing a temper tantrum atp. you're refusing to engage with the argument but just accusing me of "exploiting technicalities" repeatedly every single message. If you can't argue, leave bro, I'm sorry your verse isn't as strong as you want it to be

4. As above, Kars even with all his amps, only needs to be half as fast as DE even if we went with your logic and invalidated the match, to get out of DE.

Yea, so prove it.

Ignoring the fact we literally have a rule about not assuming bad faith, you've actively hurled direct insults at one's person. Paltry ones sure, but an insult is an insult. Not allowed lad.

No where did I "assume bad faith", I laid out my basis for why you're engaging in bad faith which points directly to how you behave and the way you conduct your arguments.

As an aside, you haven't yet commented on the fact Kars can like, come back from dust at his peak, so even with DE, that won't kill him, or the fact he can actively outlast Sukuna regardless of what Sukuna does.

Sukuna's domain cleaves things into dust then coats each particle of dust in explosive CE that detonates, producing scalding temperatures alongside instantly compressing and decompressing shockwaves, it being stated that this literally erases them. Show when Kars regenerated not only from dust but then having each particle of dust annihilated.

 

[Chariot190]

It's a "rule" that a sorcerer can run as fast as the rate at which their domain expands? Can you show me where that rule is?

If you're incapable of parsing what was said that really ain't my fault.

So Kars would just forever run away from Sukuna? As in, he'd run out the battlefield? As in, he'd concede the fight? ....

Zoning isn't conceeding a fight. Kars has projectiles, Kars can shoot thousands of living vampiric creatures. This has been explained before.

Also, you keep bringing up Kars statistics amplification and I assumed by it you were arguing it's some special ability, not just his energy system, so since you can't quantify the speed amp how do you get around the fact that Sukuna can also amplify his speed via CE? If you want to go band-for-band on how many perception blitzes we can stack onto it we can do that also.

The slower character isn't allowed to amp themselves to blitz the faster character in speed equal, it is, again, the rules.
"As a result, winning a speed equalized match against a faster opponent due to a speed boost so large that it blitzes the opponent will not be added."

Sukuna would just dice them apart, that's kinda his whole shtick actually

And Kars can do so for a year straight, he's outlasting. Mind you every creature is equal in speed here, coming from all directions, Sukuna isn't going to be able to get them all over time.

"that ain't how this works" maybe actually try criticising the argument instead of appealing to rules that don't exist.

I mean i could, but why would I? You're just kinda wrong here, that ain't how we do things, don't like it, leave.

Right, and when you told me that I clearly said how that's not sufficient proof and you guys kept going on about how I'm missing something, but I don't think I was.

Unfortunate as it might be, it isn't anyone's fault but your own you don't understand what statuing implicates.

I'm not assuming you're dishonest because we disagree, I'm saying you're dishonest because of how you avoid your burden of proof for statements, misuse site rules to try and get out of challenging arguments, and pivot incessantly to dodge questions.

Dude, your whole entire argument is explotation of speed equal that isn't allowed. I don't need to argue it, it's the rules. It's literally not allowed, it invalidates the match. For some reason, only you don't understand that.

And because you don't understand, you harp on things that literally do not matter because they don't come into play.

It's not the rules.

"Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles."
And
"As a result, winning a speed equalized match against a faster opponent due to a speed boost so large that it blitzes the opponent will not be added."

We've already been over this, that's not the rule.

"Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles."
And
"As a result, winning a speed equalized match against a faster opponent due to a speed boost so large that it blitzes the opponent will not be added."

Yes, because blitzing something from a distance of 200m isn't comparable to punching someone before their fist can reach you in a H2H exchange. Also whats VTR?

"Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles."
And
"As a result, winning a speed equalized match against a faster opponent due to a speed boost so large that it blitzes the opponent will not be added."

the "pure values" is what makes a blitz impressive, so of course I'm going to categorise them based on that. To act like this is some arbitrary and absurd standard instead of actually engaging with the argument is why I call you dishonest btw; you're not pointing toward any flaw in the deduction, any gap in the premises, you're not bringing up any counter evidence, you're just sarcastically dismissing it and rewording it to try and clown over it. It's sophistry.

"Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles."
And
"As a result, winning a speed equalized match against a faster opponent due to a speed boost so large that it blitzes the opponent will not be added."

We can add additional context to the analogy to make one more impressive than the other, sure, but that doesn't contend with the point wherein, given equal context, blitzing from a greater distance requires more speed.

Unfortunate, then, how additional context exists and dismissing it and simplyfing such things to make big distance always objectively better, is by definition, dishonest as it oversimplifies and leaves out context. What am I supposed to say to this?

Adding additional factors onto my analogy to "well aktually!" without actually addressing the point at hand, vsbw is cooked

Your analogy is bad. Of course additional factors get added if that's what applies in context? Failing to do so would be just ignorant.

No one's denying that speed is more complex than just distance, I'm just saying distance is important to speed.

Yep, except you apparently because you just said so twice above.

Even if I were to run with your standard here and say we can't make any sort of quantification EVER, that leaves us in a neutral position wherein we cannot say with any likelihood that Kars would be fast enough to outpace DE since we have no verifiable metric to demonstrate that. So even if I steelman your point, your conclusion doesn't follow, so see how you're not just pointlessly grasping at straws?

Dude, we literally just treat them as unquantifiable buffs.
The most we do is "it enables them to blitz".

You were told how big Kars' buffs were, enough to where he can statue, perception blitz, etc dudes who were able to do the same to him based on upscaling. This ain't good enough, the only level of slop we're even allowed to do isn't good enough because you want to cling to an exploitation of VTR. That's on you.

This is just untrue, go read a dictionary.

For our purposes here? Yeah, it does. Because apparently statuing, perception blitzing, and yadda yadda ain't good enough, and unfortunate as it might be, that's the best we got as treating stuff concretely beyond that is case dependent.

Correct, that ain't how Vs. Matches work.

If you want to prove your argument to other people, why say "I don't have to prove myself to you" when asked for evidence? Surely if your argument is true and valid you'd want to demonstrate the reliability of your claim by laying out strong evidence in favour? Oh wait... you don't have the evidence, which is why you're now backing off...

"Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles."
And
"As a result, winning a speed equalized match against a faster opponent due to a speed boost so large that it blitzes the opponent will not be added."

But yep sure, Kars' having the potency of hundreds of times characters ho can amp to the point they perception blitz, and the foes are frozen comparatively, is somehow not evidence.

I said, explicitly, "if you just show someone blitzing a person from like 5 meters away then obviously that's not going to suffice." and you responded by showing me a blitz from less than 5 meters away, don't act like I've changed my standards at all here.

Of course I did. You don't decide the standards here. Someone can blitz from 1cm away, and it can be exponetially better than 100m away depending on how they did it. Nobody has to appease your arbitrary standards, speed is more complex than Point A to Point B.

Still waiting on the proof for this. When I asked you said "go read the profiles", I read the profiles and it wasn't there, then you said "well they're outdated", so again where is the proof that it's a 100x speed amp?

"Has Hamon hundreds of times that of Joseph". Hamon is how they amp. Hamon increases statistics. We know Hamon's stat increases are generally 1:1 (For example, Lisa has 3x Joseph's Hamon, thus 3x the strength).

If you oh so want a hard value, there ya go, his amp should be 100s of times that of what Joseph is capable of amping himself by.

For reference, Joseph's Hamon enables him to fight dudes who would otherwise blitz the shit out of him.

Already mentioned how that doesn't prove he can travel 200m to statue someone.

Well of course, saying he statues, perception blitzes, and has 100s of times the potency ain't proof either even though it is. Stonewalling ain't on me.

And you haven't proven that he can be that fast.

"Yeah Hamon enables characters to statue others, and perception blitz those who were equal to them, and moreover overtake those in speed who could do the same" and "If you really want a value, Kars amp' would be 100x more potent than Joseph's, who can do the former" somehow isn't proof that he's quicker than the thing not even allowed to be used as a argument in a match.

This is a different argument. Prove Kars speed amp is above Sukuna's own speed amp.

I don't have to do that at all? It's against the rules.

Why?

Because he doesn't? He didn't even in canon?

Repeating arguments instead of address counter arguments to them, nice fallacious argumentation.

Nobody has to engage with a stonewall.

It's not a loophole if its how Sukuna's abilities work like omg you're actually throwing a temper tantrum atp. you're refusing to engage with the argument but just accusing me of "exploiting technicalities" repeatedly every single message. If you can't argue, leave bro, I'm sorry your verse isn't as strong as you want it to be

"Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles."
And
"As a result, winning a speed equalized match against a faster opponent due to a speed boost so large that it blitzes the opponent will not be added."

Also what? You realize Kars is the character who's a million times faster normally?

Yea, so prove it.

"Yeah Hamon enables characters to statue others, and perception blitz those who were equal to them, and moreover overtake those in speed who could do the same" and "If you really want a value, Kars amp' would be 100x more potent than Joseph's, who can do the former" somehow isn't proof that he's quicker than the thing not even allowed to be used as a argument in a match.

No where did I "assume bad faith", I laid out my basis for why you're engaging in bad faith which points directly to how you behave and the way you conduct your arguments.

No you literally, right out of the gate, did so. Don't try to frame your blatant toxicity as justified.

Sukuna's domain cleaves things into dust then coats each particle of dust in explosive CE that detonates, producing scalding temperatures alongside instantly compressing and decompressing shockwaves, it being stated that this literally erases them. Show when Kars regenerated not only from dust but then having each particle of dust annihilated.

And where exactly on the profile is it listed his DE destroys things beyond dust?
Not withstanding even if true, Kars can literally morph his body into thousands of creatures, just because one body gets ****** doesn't mean he's dead.

This is again all under the assumption we just ignore rules and give Sukuna advantages he wouldn't actually have.

 

[Rosa]

I was gonna respond in full but you spent your entire respond explicitly refusing to engage with my arguments, obnoxiously commenting about how I'm not worthy of your high IQ responses, and then pivoting to new arguments. So why waste my time? You say you're not being dishonest, yet this is how you conduct yourself:

If you're incapable of parsing what was said that really ain't my fault.

^ another dishonest tactic

I mean i could, but why would I? You're just kinda wrong here, that ain't how we do things, don't like it, leave.

Ego

Unfortunate as it might be, it isn't anyone's fault but your own you don't understand what statuing implicates.

And because you don't understand, you harp on things that literally do not matter because they don't come into play.

"harp on things that don't matter" - not an actual response

"Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles."
And
"As a result, winning a speed equalized match against a faster opponent due to a speed boost so large that it blitzes the opponent will not be added."

"Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles."
And
"As a result, winning a speed equalized match against a faster opponent due to a speed boost so large that it blitzes the opponent will not be added."

"Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles."
And
"As a result, winning a speed equalized match against a faster opponent due to a speed boost so large that it blitzes the opponent will not be added."

"Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles."
And
"As a result, winning a speed equalized match against a faster opponent due to a speed boost so large that it blitzes the opponent will not be added."

Genuine brainrot

I could go on.

 

[Chariot190]

@Arkenis
This is your match. Given, apparently lad doesn't quite get that this speed shit don't work by site stnadards, can I ask you like, actually make note of it in the OP?
that or unequal speed because apparently it wouldnt matter

I was gonna respond in full but you spent your entire respond explicitly refusing to engage with my arguments, and then pivoting to new arguments. So why waste my time?

"Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles."
And
"As a result, winning a speed equalized match against a faster opponent due to a speed boost so large that it blitzes the opponent will not be added."

I'm not going to engage in arguments that don't actually abide by standards.

obnoxiously commenting about how I'm not worthy of your high IQ responses,

Even if true, I never actually said that.

You say you're not being dishonest, yet this is how you conduct yourself:

Literally the rules, it is what it is.

^ another dishonest tactic

No it's more like genuine bafflement as what was said had nothing to do with your reply.

Ego

"Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles."
And
"As a result, winning a speed equalized match against a faster opponent due to a speed boost so large that it blitzes the opponent will not be added."

Is literally a rule. Ego? No, just leave if you don't like the rule, that or go get it changed. But untill you get it changed, tough luck, shit ain't on me.

Yep, statuing do be a thing. Usually implicates quite a hefty gap at that.

"harp on things that don't matter" - not an actual response

"Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles."
And
"As a result, winning a speed equalized match against a faster opponent due to a speed boost so large that it blitzes the opponent will not be added."

It quite literally doesn't matter, it's the rules, it'd only matter if it wasn't the rule.

Genuine brainrot

"Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles."
And
"As a result, winning a speed equalized match against a faster opponent due to a speed boost so large that it blitzes the opponent will not be added."

Is literally a rule, I didn't write that dude, I got it from the versus thread rules page.

Do you think I give a shit if you think it's brainrot? You don't decide the rules.

I could go on.

You really can't, your argument hinges on something we do not allow. (Imagine having the crux of your argument be loopholing speed equal when the only reason he can fight to begin with is because of the handicap).
The only way it's be feasible is if said attacks were quicker then Kars normally (They aren't) or it was speed unequal (Lmao).

Your entire premise is "Sukuna is quicker with these specific things because speed equal".

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

And where exactly on the profile is it listed his DE destroys things beyond dust?
Not withstanding even if true, Kars can literally morph his body into thousands of creatures, just because one body gets ****** doesn't mean he's dead.

This is again all under the assumption we just ignore rules and give Sukuna advantages he wouldn't actually have.

Nowhere is it listed on Kars profile that he gets 100x times faster, y'know. It's only specifically listed in his ap.

But back to this: It is listed that yeah that's what his domain expansion does
Lightning who's got better translation, says this as well



The dust literally gets coated in explosives and then they explode. If he's within DE, he's screwed since cleave and dismantle will damage him to the point where Sukuna finishes him off with fire arrow.

 

[Arkenis]

@Arkenis
This is your match. Given, apparently lad doesn't quite get that this speed shit don't work by site stnadards, can I ask you like, actually make note of it in the OP?
that or unequal speed because apparently it wouldnt matter

This match isn't to be added as:
"Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles."
And
"As a result, winning a speed equalized match against a faster opponent due to a speed boost so large that it blitzes the opponent will not be added."

Fine?

 

[Chariot190]

Nowhere is it listed on Kars profile that he gets 100x times faster, y'know. It's only specifically listed in his ap.

" Statistics Amplification (Empowers his body with the Hamon breathing technique and energy, amplifying his body and physical prowess), "

We don't list it at all, not even his AP actually, we just list it as a value as opposed to explaining how the amping functions. But if you want a value, concretely, it'd be that.
It's hundreds of times that of Joseph's. Hamon increases statistic proportional to the amount, you've seen the magazine scan, why pretend otherwise? His speed amp would be 100s of times whatever Joseph can amp himself by, if Joseph amps himself by 1%, Kars would be 100%, if Joseph amps by 100%, Kars would be 10000%, etc. Joseph is the deciding factor, now how much can Joseph amp? Idk, enough to where arguing speed slop is actively a waste of time, especially as it shouldn't be argued at all, it's against the rules.

All, mind you, because you want to argue against speed equal rules.

The dust literally gets coated in explosives and then they explode. If he's within DE, he's screwed since cleave and dismantle will damage him to the point where Sukuna finishes him off with fire arrow.

The scan literally says reduced to dust, not beyond it, and then the dust gets scattered across the domain, not that the dust is obliterated beyond fine particles.

Also I asked where on the profile that's stated. Kars' profile still mentions the stat amp, and the hundreds of times Hamon at the very least.

This match isn't to be added as:
"Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles."
And
"As a result, winning a speed equalized match against a faster opponent due to a speed boost so large that it blitzes the opponent will not be added."

Fine?

I would prefer if you didn't make a match that lasts half a year that ended up wasting everyone's time because it wouldn't get added.
You're OP, you can choose to abide by the rules and just like, make the blatant rules adhere so Sukuna doesn't get to just break rules and invalidate the match. That or unequal that shit, why even equalize speed if we're fine blitzing.

 

[Arkenis]

You're OP, you can choose to abide by the rules and just like, make the blatant rules adhere so Sukuna doesn't get to just break rules and invalidate the match. That or unequal that shit, why even equalize speed if we're fine blitzing.

I didn't know Kars had a high speed amp.

 

[Chariot190]

I didn't know Kars had a high speed amp.

Neither did I till people started arguing this slop.
But that's beside the point, in speed equal matches, blitzing the normally quicker character isn't allowed (Unlss said amps would put said character above the faster character normally, like for example, 1c vs 50c, but that 1c has a 1000x amp making them 1000c, which would in fact be quicker than 50c dude normally). You as OP has three choices.

You can
1. Allow it, but invalidate the match so it can't be added (In which case why even make the match).
2. Not allow it, enabling the match to still be added.
3. Unequal speed so they just have to fend for themselves.

 

[Arkenis]

Yeah I'll just get it closed to end this whole thing.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Yeah I'll just get it closed to end this whole thing.

Alright then.