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The Ultimate Life Form vs The King of Curses

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what, who's being BFR'd?
Idk I assumed somebody said someone would throw Sukuna in the air or something to bfr him. but ig im just tweaking and read things wrong.


What vessel does Sukuna have in this fight anyway?
A minor named Yuji. the other one is (different key) megumi (Sukuna becomes Meguna) with practically no difference except for appearance and an additional cursed technique called the ten shadows that has the strongest Shikigami called Big Raga, The Opp Stoppah
 
I did. It says the opposite.


In our case this airplane feat is an entirely new made up scene showing a feat Sukuna has never demonstrated in manga at this point. And this also shuts down the idea of Gege helping with the anime as it makes clear more specific information is required to use the feat as canon.
Brother, Wallahi. Read what you just typed. Why are you bringing up rules related to tertiary canon when we are talking about secondary canon?

No, I have already extensively posted the vast amount of separate sources outlining Gege's supervision which is the only criteria needed for secondary canon.
 
Too lazy to read, what are the arguments for each side as of now ?
dunno. i only know that Sukuna profile stinks somewhat, and this particular key of him being used in this match needs to be updated given he lacks a missing tiny ability that all versions of him should have
Also Fuga has been updated in the story. Some restrictions here and there and buff.
 
bump.

Sukuna's gotten some updates. I don't think they change much but the match was decent from what I remember.
 
Kars Immortality is amazing, and even while acknowledging Sukuna is impressive, I think he cannot bypass that.
this+FRA I vote Kars
 
A have to give this to Kars. Considering how he outscales the Regen of characters who can withstand things like Malevolent Shrine, and could likely dodge some other singular attacks, it’s likely he’d be able to avoid dying long enough to do Dura-neg Sukuna
 
Sukuna, I haven't heard any good arguments to how Kars is surviving DE + Fuga.
 
Equal speed, is actually a very good reason he could dodge it. Unless it starts right up on his ass, the time it takes to go from Point A to Point B, he himself would have already moved out of the way as for every meter it moves, he too has moved a meter counter to it.
The alternative is speed unequal and lmao.
 
Equal speed, is actually a very good reason he could dodge it. Unless it starts right up on his ass, the time it takes to go from Point A to Point B, he himself would have already moved out of the way as for every meter it moves, he too has moved a meter counter to it.
The alternative is speed unequal and lmao.
His speed would be equal to Sukuna's, in JJK your DE expands far faster than your own speed (Gojo and Sukuna were both relative, their DE would cover each other in a blink of an eye for them). Stop ratting
 
His speed would be equal to Sukuna's, in JJK your DE expands far faster than your own speed (Gojo and Sukuna were both relative, their DE would cover each other in a blink of an eye for them). Stop ratting
Domain Expansion? The thing Sukuna has like, literally never used as a lead before?
Also accusing someone of ratting is... You're arguing speed against someone who is normally MFTL, if anything is ratty, it's that if your whole argument hinges on exploiting speed equal. Knock it off.
 
Domain Expansion? The thing Sukuna has like, literally never used as a lead before?
He has used it very early on in a fight numerous times actually, but our conversation isn't about whether or not he'd use it as a lead it's about whether or not Chariot can outrun it (your claim). Trying to pivot off of that embarrassingly bad argument is why I called you a rat.
Also accusing someone of ratting is... You're arguing speed against someone who is normally MFTL, if anything is ratty, it's that if your whole argument hinges on exploiting speed equal. Knock it off.
It's equalised speed. So I treat them as having equal speed. Where's the rat? 😭
 
His speed would be equal to Sukuna's, in JJK your DE expands far faster than your own speed (Gojo and Sukuna were both relative, their DE would cover each other in a blink of an eye for them). Stop ratting
Kars can just amp himself through hamon to escape it.

He has used it very early on in a fight numerous times actually, but our conversation isn't about whether or not he'd use it as a lead it's about whether or not Chariot can outrun it (your claim). Trying to pivot off of that embarrassingly bad argument is why I called you a rat.
Why even ask that if you understand its something he doesn't do off lead? He fights through engaging with Shrine and seeing what the person's capable of first. If your argument is mainly just DE then I think we know how you feel about the match, no need to call people rats.
 
It's equalised speed. So I treat them as having equal speed. Where's the rat? 😭
Equal speed doesn't mean they can't amp themselves bro, it means they both start off at the same speed tier. Kars would be reduced to Sukuna's speed
 
Kars can just amp himself through hamon to escape it.
What's the quantification of the amp?
Why even ask that if you understand its something he doesn't do off lead? He fights through engaging with Shrine and seeing what the person's capable of first.
The criteria is that Sukuna has knowledge on Kars' abilities, so if Kars has a win con Sukuna would opt to using DE before getting into a situation which would allow for Kars to utilise the win con. Why would Sukuna not use DE if he knows it's his only win con and he'd lose without it?

Also, where's this idea that Sukuna holds back his domain until late into fights? Against Gojo he used it on the second chapter in the fight and then proceeded to spam it, and then the second he got his domain back again he proceeded to start spamming it as soon as CT burnout wore off.
 
He has used it very early on in a fight numerous times actually, but our conversation isn't about whether or not he'd use it as a lead it's about whether or not Chariot can outrun it (your claim).
Do you, do you not even know who's in the match? The dude Sukuna is fighting can literally fly? He can cover the starting distance in less then 1/100th of a second, in which contact he wins. He has regen and immortality from dust at peak.

And no, it's relevant.
Trying to pivot off of that embarrassingly bad argument is why I called you a rat.
You get one more before I report you.
It's equalised speed. So I treat them as having equal speed. Where's the rat? 😭
"Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles." ~ Versus Thread Rules
 
Do you, do you not even know who's in the match? The dude Sukuna is fighting can literally fly? He can cover the starting distance in less then 1/100th of a second, in which contact he wins. He has regen and immortality from dust at peak.
Why is his flight speed hundreds of times faster than his combat speed? Kars flies at Sukuna and Sukuna pops DE, give me a single piece of evidence to suggest Kars' flying speed is so much greater from his combat speed that this sequence of events isn't possible.
You get one more before I report you.
Shiver me timbers. Is this how you argue on every VS thread? "Stop arguing back otherwise I'll report you!" :ROFLMAO:
"Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles." ~ Versus Thread Rules
How does this change my argument at all? You can refuse to add it to Kars' profile, idrc, Kars still loses and certainly doesn't outrun (or out-fly) Sukuna's domain.
 
no where did I say this isn't the case. You're shadow boxing arguments rn
I'm making sure you know, you're bringing up equal speed like it matters.

The criteria is that Sukuna has knowledge on Kars' abilities, so if Kars has a win con Sukuna would opt to using DE before getting into a situation which would allow for Kars to utilise the win con. Why would Sukuna not use DE if he knows it's his only win con and he'd lose without it?

Also, where's this idea that Sukuna holds back his domain until late into fights? Against Gojo he used it on the second chapter in the fight and then proceeded to spam it, and then the second he got his domain back again he proceeded to start spamming it as soon as CT burnout wore off.
Sukuna knows Gojo's powers and still fought him before using DE. Why are we assuming Sukuna thinks its his only win con lmao.

No one said late, idek why we're still on this, Sukuna doesn't opt to DE right away is all I was saying, we both agree so why continue this? Okay so he keeps spamming his DE and till he can't rct from burnout anymore since Kars can regen or escape from it.
 
I'm making sure you know, you're bringing up equal speed like it matters.
Because it does? Unless you can prove the amps Kars has is enough to travel 200m before Sukuna can react despite his base being equal to Sukuna, which is a huge claim, then that removes the possibility of Kars being able to pull this off.
Sukuna knows Gojo's powers and still fought him before using DE. Why are we assuming Sukuna thinks its his only win con lmao.
Sukuna didn't have a one-hit kill move over Sukuna, so either Kars does have one (in which case this isn't comparable and my argument still stands) or Kars doesn't have one (in which case Sukuna waiting to use DE doesn't matter as long as he eventually does use it).

If Sukuna knows of Kars regenerative abilities, then he would deduce that his regular slashes aren't going to be enough at killing him.
No one said late, idek why we're still on this, Sukuna doesn't opt to DE right away is all I was saying, we both agree so why continue this? Okay so he keeps spamming his DE and till he can't rct from burnout anymore since Kars can regen or escape from it.
What suggests Kars can regenerate from Fuga?
 
Why is his flight speed hundreds of times faster than his combat speed? Kars flies at Sukuna and Sukuna pops DE, give me a single piece of evidence to suggest Kars' flying speed is so much greater from his combat speed that this sequence of events isn't possible.
What? His movement speed is High Hyper? He literally just covers that distance in like 0.003. That fact he can fly, literally helps him, especially given in bursts he could dodge "easily" dodge stuff at escape velocity.

You don't think in speed equal, he's gonna be able to dodge slashes from 100m away while bridging the gap? Especially given he has danmaku, that are alive, and would literally eat Sukuna. Flying all over the place.

We have profiles my dude. I'm not going to spoonfeed when your argument is "he can't dodge because [exploiting a gimmick that only exists so Sukuna himself doesn;t get blitzed]".
Shiver me timbers. Is this how you argue on every VS thread? "Stop arguing back otherwise I'll report you!" :ROFLMAO:
Generally direct insults is a no-go, calling people rats qualifies. Do it again and yeah, I will, why wouldn't I?
How does this change my argument at all? You can refuse to add it to Kars' profile, idrc, Kars still loses and certainly doesn't outrun (or out-fly) Sukuna's domain.
That's how matches work? Your argument hinges on "This is faster than Sukuna's combat speed, so in speed equal, if we exploit the rule, it'd be faster than Kars, who is normally like 2500000x quicker than it, so Sukuna wins". That shit ain't allowed, nobody but you is going to abide by that. We can unequalize it if you'd prefer even.
 
What suggests Kars can regenerate from Fuga?
He can regenerate from dust at peak. Also that's super easy to avoid?

If Sukuna knows of Kars regenerative abilities, then he would deduce that his regular slashes aren't going to be enough at killing him.
To what extent.

Also like, mind you, Kars also has prior knowledge? He can literally just play keepaway while sending hundreds of acid ridden animals from all directions at the same speed, without stopping, for a year straight, while he himself stays out of DE range, overwhelming Sukuna all while Sukuna can't do shit because he's having to constantly kill thousands of vampire rats coming from all around him.

What's Sukuna gonna do? Outlast Kars?
 
Because it does? Unless you can prove the amps Kars has is enough to travel 200m before Sukuna can react despite his base being equal to Sukuna, which is a huge claim, then that removes the possibility of Kars being able to pull this off.
Chariot already brought up Kars can travel hundred meters under a second. And dude Rosa, read this please, they start off equal but can increase their speed if they have the amps; Kars has Hamon amps that can increase his speed and power, he should be able to escape it. Sukuna doesn't have a speed amp on that level so no Sukuna wouldn't be able to speed up his de. And still Kars can survive the DE.
 
What? His movement speed is High Hyper? He literally just covers that distance in like 0.003. That fact he can fly, literally helps him, especially given in bursts he could dodge "easily" dodge stuff at escape velocity.
Bringing up characters different speed ratings in an equal speed matchup, ya'll need to use your thinking caps
You don't think in speed equal, he's gonna be able to dodge slashes from 100m away while bridging the gap? Especially given he has danmaku, that are alive, and would literally eat Sukuna. Flying all over the place.
Who's saying Sukuna will use it 100m away? He'd obviously get within a fighting range of Kars and then use DE.
We have profiles my dude. I'm not going to spoonfeed
Where on the profile does it say Kars can amp himself to travel 200m before people equal to his base speed can even react?
when your argument is "he can't dodge because [exploiting a gimmick that only exists so Sukuna himself doesn;t get blitzed]".
It's not "exploiting a gimmick" when it's the guidelines of the matchup. Dude, the matchup is EQUAL SPEED, if you don't like the fact that Kars can't speed blitz still then go make another thread. Stop coping and whining about it.
That's how matches work? Your argument hinges on "This is faster than Sukuna's combat speed, so in speed equal, if we exploit the rule, it'd be faster than Kars, who is normally like 2500000x quicker than it, so Sukuna wins". That shit ain't allowed, nobody but you is going to abide by that. We can unequalize it if you'd prefer even.
It is how matches work, nothing you posted goes against that. If all you're going to post is "KARS BLITZES AND IF YOU DISAGREE YOU'RE EXPLOITING STUFF" then get out equal speed threads 🙏
 
Where on the profile does it say Kars can amp himself to travel 200m before people equal to his base speed can even react?
Everything doesn't need to be on profile in depth (its an outdated profile), Kars has stat amp on profile is all that's needed.

Statistics Amplification (Empowers his body with the Hamon breathing technique and energy, amplifying his body and physical prowess)

It's not "exploiting a gimmick" when it's the guidelines of the matchup. Dude, the matchup is EQUAL SPEED, if you don't like the fact that Kars can't speed blitz still then go make another thread. Stop coping and whining about it.
What is going on lmao?? Equal speed doesn't mean they can't amp themselves, Kars can amp his speed.
 
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