The time has come: Anti-Monitor vs Super sonic archie (8-1-0) grace

[Oliver_de_jesus]

The time has come.

mobius are in 2A and has access to the ALE

This is post-genesis wave super sonic.

speed is =

plot Mobius absorbed his universe of anti-matter and wants to destroy everything has come to a multiverse that I created a while ago the world forger to contain his brother if he gets out of control ... again, this multiverse is that of our favorite hedgehog that was abused by World forger of the threat his brother represents.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Bump

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Anti-bump

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Switching to super sonic pre-genesis to see if this has attention

 

[ElixirBlue]

Hold on (checking Anti-Monitor's wiki)

 

[ElixirBlue]

What Acausality is the Anti-Monitor?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

In the multiverse (Acausality 1 since it was not affected by the crisis or the Flashpoint, it was previously a being of a higher dimension that would be type 4 but I don't know what happened to that), true being (Acausality 5)

 

[ElixirBlue]

We should get that clear on Anti-Monitor's wiki.

Is speed equal? I kinda can't tell in the OP.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

I am waiting for things to relax with the new system and to end the perpetual saga if something new comes out.

to make a crt for that

 

[SwerzyeTheCreator]

stomp in sonics favor due to hax

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

well it all depends who shoots first since the anti-manteria is something that sonic does not resist and I understand that the type 8 of sonic works like a mid-Godly and to regenerate the anti-matter would need a high-godly

 

[ElixirBlue]

I know why Sonic stomps but I want see how they match up if we focus on their other attributes.

How good of a fighter is the Anti-Monitor?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Defeat the powered spectrum, stay with darkseid, defeat two Amazons playing and keep up with half of the characters of the Sinestro War.

mostly it opens with hax as anti-manteria almost always, rarely starts with biological manipulation, then goes by CQC and finally uses the ALE

 

[ElixirBlue]

CQC and ALE?

I was asking because Archie Sonic is a combat Genius, being more skilled in a fight then people in his own power level, like Evil Sonic before he got a powered up above Base Sonic and turned into Scourge.

In Sonic's case, he fights a lot of enemies with a lot more raw power and durability than him, but Sonic just outskills them.

Darksied is very powerful but I haven't seen him outskill those in his same level. The two Amazons are impressively skilled fighters but I thought Anti-Moniter overpowered them, not outskilled them.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Basically, Evil Sonic (Scourge) had to get more raw power than Prime Sonic to match Sonic in a fight because he kept getting outskilled.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

1-CQC is when antimatter is not enough to erase your opponent.

2-scourge lost it was for the convenience of the plot since they put a greater excess of confidence than he normally has and literally invented a stupid weakness when he detransforms from his super form.

 

[ElixirBlue]

No, I meant Base Sonic vs Base Evil Sonic (before turning into Scourge).

Base Sonic was low diff kicking Base Evil Sonic's ass despite them both being at the same power level in Speed, Attack, Durability.

Sonic outskilled him in many fights, forcing evil Sonic to boost his base power above Archie Sonic's base level in order to match him in a fight.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Okey

 

[ElixirBlue]

So, in terms of combat, Archie Sonic has superiority over Anti-Monitor. Unless Anti-Monitor has an equivalent skill feat.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Anti-Monitor: Durability: Multiverse level+ (Fought his equal in power, Mar Novu, for one million years before falling)

Archie Sonic: Stamina: (Low 2-C) Extremely high. (Sonic can fight for hours without tiring and can take large amounts of punishment with only mild annoyances. He can endure things such as holding onto a rocket that's leaving the atmosphere, taking direct plasma blasts head-on, and harsh beatings. Despite this, Sonic is always quick to recover. |(2-A) Limitless | (potentially 2-A+) Limitless

Seeing how Anti-Monitor fell against his equal and Archie Sonic low diff his equal, Sonic definitely has the upper hand in combat.

 

[HST_Master]

Evil Sonic wasn't getting continuously outskilled by Sonic. They've had several fights where they were dead even. Heck their last fight before he became Scourge, ES had the upper hand and was getting ready to bash his head in with a rock. Only time ES was treated as fodder was with Antoine thought he was Sonic otherwise any advantage Sonic had over him was outside help. Scourge didn't use the Master Emerald because of Sonic, he used it because Locke was getting ready to put his boot up his and Rouge's asses.

 

[ElixirBlue]

No, Sonic does outskill Evil Sonic. The fight before Evil Sonic turned to Scourge, he kept rushing into Prime Sonic only to get smacked back. Scourge (ES) got the upper hand when he threw rocks (rocks from the Low 2-C planet) at Prime Sonic.

A move that took Prime Sonic, the guy who regularly dodged lasers, off guard as he never expected ES to resort to using weapons. Mostly because ES is Prime Sonic himself and Prime Sonic knows he'll never use weapons.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Also, Prime Sonic's speed was limited in that fight since he wasn't wearing his shoes. And he still made ES resort to using (Low 2-C)rocks.

 

[HST_Master]

And in....

The 1st time The Supression Squad and Freedom Fighters fought they were dead even and had to switch opponents to win, because their anti selves knew their moves.

When they fought the very 1st time, Sonic win with help from Kintobor, because they were yet again, dead even.

and yet again, when they were tag teaming with Knuckles and O'Knux they were dead even until Knux found out he was tricked.

They have far more instances of being even with each other than saying Sonic has more skill because he threw a rock and sonic got his shoes back.

 

[HST_Master]

Also what? Sonic's speed doesn't come from his shoes, it's natural.

 

[ElixirBlue]

1. This happened the first time they met:




____________________________________________________ 2. This the 2nd time they fought.




___________________________________________________ These are moments very early is Archie Sonic's life, before he gain major fighting experience 100s of issues later. ES was never a major concern for Prime Sonic, despite them matching in Speed, Strength and Durability.

 

[HST_Master]

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5i51sEArYiA/VtpFCDtfSWI/AAAAAAAACxI/Hxc72aImw18/s0-Ic42/RCO009.jpg

And above is what happen literally 2 pages after the 1st scan


And this is blatant confirmation.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Also what? Sonic's speed doesn't come from his shoes, it's natural.

It does, however, the shoes give Sonic traction and don't burn up when Sonic speeds up. His socks never burned up in that fight so Sonic never used his speed against ES while ES was running around.

 

[HST_Master]

It does, however, the shoes give Sonic traction and don't burn up when Sonic speeds up. His socks never burned up in that fight so Sonic never used his speed against ES while ES was running around.

Running around? Dude they were fighting in the emerald chamber and were in close quarters nearly the entire time.

 

[ElixirBlue]

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5i51sEArYiA/VtpFCDtfSWI/AAAAAAAACxI/Hxc72aImw18/s0-Ic42/RCO009.jpg

And above is what happen literally 2 pages after the 1st scan

1. That had nothing to do with Skill. Prime Sonic was leaving and ES used a cheap move. Evil Sonic can trip Prime Sonic, since they equal in Speed.

2. Yeah, it confirms Sonic and ES match in Speed, Strength and Durability. Again, Prime Sonic didn't have much fighting experience at that point in his history. He couldn't finish off ES quickly and had to worry about fighting closely with his other Freedom Fighters.

The fact that Tails finished ES in that fight says it all.

 

[ElixirBlue]

It does, however, the shoes give Sonic traction and don't burn up when Sonic speeds up. His socks never burned up in that fight so Sonic never used his speed against ES while ES was running around.

Running around? Dude they were fighting in the emerald chamber and were in close quarters nearly the entire time.

Do you not see ES running around in that fight? (See green arrow)

 

[HST_Master]

1. That had nothing to do with Skill. Prime Sonic was leaving and ES used a cheap move. Evil Sonic can trip Prime Sonic, since they equal in Speed

And you're "example" also has zero to do with skill. It's them running in donuts until Sonic stops.

2. Yeah, it confirms Sonic and ES match in Speed, Strength and Durability. Again, Prime Sonic didn't have much fighting experience at that point in his history. He couldn't finish off ES quickly and had to worry about fighting closely with his other Freedom Fighters.

They're the exact same age. So he's still fighting someone with just as much experince as he does. And also matching a person move for move isn't a speed Ap or dura feat, it's a skill feat as you can be equal in all those areas or stronger and still be outskilled. He didn't have to worry about the others because like Sally said, they were all evenly matched, I.E. no one had an advantage.

 

[HST_Master]

Dude, that's not running. He can't run in mid air. He was recovering from getting thrown by Sonic and considering Sonic was the one who advanced, it contradicts your argument.

 

[HST_Master]

Now is he more tempermental than Sonic and that can lead to mistakes like getting mauled by woodland creatures? Sure, but he's definitely not less skilled than him.

 

[ElixirBlue]

1. That is fair. They both used cheap moves.

2. Saying they are equal in skill still very wrong. A. Evil Sonic does not have the life Archie Prime Sonic has with facing and learning his skills from Robotnik, Knuckles, Mogul, etc.


_______________________________________________________ B. If Evil Sonic actually had the skill of Prime Sonic's, he won't have been stopped by Tails while he was literally talking to Tails.

 

[The_Popular_Loser]

What the hell? How is sonic Multiversal? Waiting for Archie Sonic CRTs fra

 

[ElixirBlue]

What the hell? How is sonic Multiversal? Waiting for Archie Sonic CRTs fra

I tried to go against it but there were too many examples. Low 2-C Base Sonic CRT

 

[HST_Master]

A. Instead he's fighting O'Knux, Rosie, at some point Rabs, and Kintobors bots.

B. And yet he was matching Sonic just a few seconds ago. It's like saying Patch isn't as skilled as Sally even though he was the one that was heading the war against Eggman while Sonic was gone impersonating Antoine. It's just as much PIS as Sonic getting beaned with a rock.

 

[HST_Master]

I tried to go against it but there were too many examples. Low 2-C Base Sonic CRT

He said multiversal not Universe+

@Shisui

Archie Sonic's Cosmology is 2-A.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Where does it say ES fought O'Knux, the pacifist, before Scourge's take over a lot? If even?



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B. And yet he was matching Sonic just a few seconds ago. It's like saying Patch isn't as skilled as Sally even though he was the one that was heading the war against Eggman while Sonic was gone impersonating Antoine. It's just as much PIS as Sonic getting beaned with a rock.

Patch was never shown to be fighting Robotnik, ever, unlike Antoine. The Anti-Freedom Fighters has shown no notable skill feats other than confusing the Freedom Fighters for looking and moving the same as them.