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The Season 9 MLP FIM premier

.... I'm not certain if that's even scalable (because it would be if acknowledged as a Low 2-C / 2-C feat)... because a character was given a Low 2-C frating based on something similar. .. And even then... That'd be too much. It's funny to thinking about a Low 2-C / 2-C Elements and Alicorn Level entities... It really is. But I'm not banking on that though and I'm not saying I believe in Tier 2 Alicorn Level entities (even though that'd be one of the coolest moments in debating history)... But I do want it to be evaluated.
 
It depends on what definition of "world" is used. Does she mean the surface world or planet of both Equestria and Earth?
 
@Vegeta ... Why was that neccesary ?

three spatial dimensions were being used beforehand, followed by consistent statements of reality rather than merely physical matter... Then combine that with the space-time affecting past and present of two realities with ease... Then it's likely of an least Universal nature... Whether Low 2-C or maybe 2-C is of debate though.
 
I'm slightly triggered because I'm legitimately High-Functioning Autistic (I believe I mentioned it offhandedly a year ago to Ant, but now you guys know for future reference)

On topic Though: There is a lot within the series to conclude that whenever a reality is mentioned it is usually space-time along with it... From Starlight's return to Starswirl's Magic Spells involving time to the first two EQG Movies.
 
The 2nd Existential Seed said:
I'm slightly triggered because I'm legitimately High-Functioning Autistic (I believe I mentioned it offhandedly a year ago to Ant, but now you guys know for future reference)
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I myself am high-functioning, Aspergers if we're being specific.

But yeah, considering the term "world" is typically used to refer to the universe in MLP; especially in the Equestria Girls Universe, I'd say they were talking actual space-time. Not to mention the fact that there were portals opening everywhere.
 
Hmm... Good to know.

I agree. My next question then: How would one even attempt to legitimately argue it's inclusion unto the profiles ? I'm playing Devil's Advocate and advocating for it's inclusion since this is a rather fascinating thing to debate for:

Unless something super obscure escapes me, I don't think it wouldn't be too bad to scale the God-Tiers to it (God-Tiers being the Elements of the Human and Pony World... And those shown to directly resist and or overpower them)...... Considering now we know that the Elements in both Worlds are a lot stronger than the Alicorns of Equestria who are obviously just Tier 4 (A portion of The Element of Magic from Ponyville is rivaled by the True Dazzlings, which are above Starswirl and are now essentially viewed as fodder by EQG: Friendship Games + Beyond) and considering literally only a select few would be upgraded by such a thing since this would only affect the Tier 4's when amped by the Elements (again unless I'm missing somethng super obscure)... It isn't too bad as far as the applications.

Also the feat was super casual I'll note: and yes it's more AP than hax based on the fact her blasts are what made the portals... It's the same argument as the sun raising featas it still required power to do and they stated several times afterward Midnight had the power to destroy the Universe, even after that movie was over and done with..

Or unless you want to say that the EQG are the only ones who'd scale to it.... Which would eliminate a lot of problems... But still cause a lot of uproar.
 
I searched the transcripts of the EQG movies and found no mention of "reality" or "space-time." Therefore, Sci-Twi using the leftover magic is at most Multi-Continental if her statement is to be believed. The bare minimum is that she is comparable to Unicorn Twilight at Country Level.

You might be able to argue that the Element of Magic is comparable to Celestia since Sunset was planning on taking over her kingdom. However, we have no Idea if she truely was powerful enough. After all, Nightmare needed all the elements to be taken down.

From there, you can argue that the combined EQG elements are comparable to the Element of Magic.
 
.... A lot of things wrong with what you just said Firestorm:

- That was the Pony Twilight discussing about the leftover Magic... Which was used to defeat the Dazzlings. Though they gain a sort of new power... So that much is explanatory. However I believe she was wrong, and that the Human Elements were using their own power to do so... Because otherwise she's saying they are only as powerful as Demon Sunset, which is blatantly false in every sense of the word.

- Not easily anything.. The Dazzlings are taken down via banishing, not via raw power.... So trying to make them milllions times weaker based on being more strategic is fallacious.

- They confirmed they were getting their true/full powers back... Which we see at the end of the film.

And where in the world are you getting High 6-A ?
 
Let's start from the beginning. The main feats/statements betweem Equestria and EQG are the following:

The Element of Magic on its own should be stronger than the average pony which is 6-B to an unknown Degree.

In Rainbow Rocks, we learn about the Dazzlings/Sirens.

Twilight Sparkle: The sirens were three beautiful but dangerous creatures who had the power to charm ponies with their music. But to maintain this power, they had to feed on the negativity and distrust of others. The more of this negative energy they consumed, the stronger their voices became, and the farther they could spread their dark magic.

Twilight Sparkle: If the sirens had their way, they would have divided and conquered all of Equestria. But a certain Star Swirl the Bearded wasn't having it. Rumor has it he found a way to banish them to another world ― one where he believed their magic power would be lost. That world must have been the one where my Canterlot High friends live.

According to this, their prime Siren forms should be comparable if not stronger than Starswirl the Bearded as Low 4-C. After all, Starswirl was able to consistently provide a sixth of the power necessary to move the sun.

The main question here is if we can we confidently scale their Powered Up Human forms to their Prime Siren forms.

In Friendship games, the following exchange occurs:

Midnight Sparkle: Why not?! There's a whole other world right there, and it's just filled with magic!

Sunset Shimmer: But you're destroying this world to get it!

Midnight Sparkle: So what? There's more magic there, and I want to understand it all!

In Mirror Magic, Twilight reitterates that moment..

Twilight Sparkle: Overpowered by a magic I couldn't control and created a rift between two worlds, almost destroying both of them in the process.

Midnight Sparkle being 3-A or Low 2-C from just the Rainboom Magic and some leftovers is absurd. Based on these statements, it implies that Midnight Sparkle and the Rainbooms are at least High 6-A, possibly 5-B.
 
Damn, it's been a while. Glad to see Tier 4 Alicorns being fully accepted. As the show continues the stuff I brought up all those years ago to mass debate has become basically commonplace, which makes me feel great.

Pretty much everything said here seems accurate on the Tier 4 front, though perhaps the Pony of Shadows should be "At Least High 4-C" in durability, considering what was done to it didn't even kill it, merely banished it. I'm also of the opinion of Star Swirl being slightly above the sisters, considering their blast on the forest only destroyed the vines, while Star Swirl, even in his first blast by himself, did much more damage. I don't really agree with Midnight Sparkle being in the Tier 3/Tier 2 range, though. It seemed more like everything collapsing in on itself would mess up the fabric of both universes instead of raw power destroying it. More a strong hax feat than an AP feat.
 
Yooooooooo Pikachu

I'm so happy to see ya again ( we haven't met before but I did see all your old work here and deeply appreciated you).
 
Haha, thanks Js, I'm flattered. I've been busy with many other things in a lot of other communities, plus general life stuff, so I haven't been around here often to post, but I occasionally lurk. Thought I'd pop in to see what this place has thought of the past couple seasons, and I'm not disappointed.
 
Yeah that's understandable we all got plenty of places to do and see and I'm very happy your satisfied with recent events.
 
Yeah man lol it's been so long. I actually am of the opinion the EQG verse scales properly to the regular verse in Tier 4, but it's not easy to 100% definitively prove with what we're given. The Element of Magic in the EQG world has to be pretty damn powerful I think, even separated from the others, it's clearly the strongest of them separately and can do amazing things, something even Celestia was cautious of in the pony world when explaining to Twilight. Sunset was also confident with that power she could take over Equestria and defeat the princesses, which gives some credence to it. Sunset isn't exactly an idiot, and specifically pointed out she knew how the Element would work in the alternate world to Twilight, meaning she probably had a firm grasp of what it could do.
 
@Pikachu Indeed... Glad to see you as well.

I believe I can prove it by Rainbow Rocks... They fought the Dazzlings in the movie (which they heavily implied they gain their true / full powers back (which is supported by the whole seeing their seahorse forms at the end of the movie & by Adagios statement... I mentioned it explicitly beforehand ) and the Pillars couldn't do anything but banish them, similar to the PoS as the S7 finale suggested... Even before he was weakened), EQG Rarity being able to harm them with her Element by herself (something the Pillars and at lowball Starswirl failed to accomplish together) and the EQG Element of Magic being superior to the other Elements combined , even without a powerup... Since they needed her help against Gloriossa who was conpletely owning the other Elements. It proves that the Rainbow Rocks EQG's singular Elements alone are likely at least comparable to the power of their Equestrian counterpart during the Tirek fiasco... And this is before Midnight & Gloriossa... So take that as you will. Not counting how much of an amp the Diodes are.
 
@Zach.... I'm mainly discussing Tier 4 Equestria Girl Zach.... Tier 2 is more for just because .... I'm not upset if it isn't accepted... But my main question is the tier of the feat and IF it's applicable ( Somce I'd only scale to the element of harmony... Meaning Twilight, unless she has the Elements, wouldn't scale to it at all) ... So basically only the God-Tiers that are scalable to the Elements would be affected.
 
Pikachu942 said:
Yeah man lol it's been so long. I actually am of the opinion the EQG verse scales properly to the regular verse in Tier 4, but it's not easy to 100% definitively prove with what we're given. The Element of Magic in the EQG world has to be pretty damn powerful I think, even separated from the others, it's clearly the strongest of them separately and can do amazing things, something even Celestia was cautious of in the pony world when explaining to Twilight. Sunset was also confident with that power she could take over Equestria and defeat the princesses, which gives some credence to it. Sunset isn't exactly an idiot, and specifically pointed out she knew how the Element would work in the alternate world to Twilight, meaning she probably had a firm grasp of what it could do.
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Based on how I see it: EoH/Rainbowpower/FriendshipPower (I think these powerups are the same thing honestly) (6 together): High 4-C (Stomped Discord, Sombra, Nightmare moon, Full Power Tirek)

Elements of Harmony (Individualy): At least 4-C (should be able to overpower Celestia and Luna although not sure if Sunset actually knew that Discord was active....)

Strongest element: Magic>The rest (why didn't Sunset go after the other elements? Maybe because they are weaker but comparable in power)

How I see the EoH power ups:

Element bracelets and crown: Pretty much for the mane 6 to adapt to each of their own element

Rainbow Power: MORE TOYS (Wireless connection to the elements)

Freindship power: (By season 9 the mane 6 together should be able to use this powerup without any issue) They become the elements themselves.
 
Why is the Pony of Shadows 4-C+? He's done nothing to warrant it. He has nothing scaling him to either All-Alicorn Twilight or Full Power Tirek.
 
The Pony of Shadows needed the EoH and the Pillars of Equestria to just try and push him into the Void. The EoH are considered at least 2x baseline star level.

S1-3 Twilight Sparkle = Rainbow Dash = Applejack = Fluttershy = Rarity = Pinkie Pie = Shining Armor == 6-B

S4-8 Twilight Sparkle= Princess Cadance = At least 6-B, possibly Low 4-C

Princess Celestia = Princess Luna = Starswirl the Bearded = S9 Twilight Sparkle = Baseline Star (4-C)

King Sombra = at least Star

Celestia + Luna = 2x Star

The Pony of Shadows > Elements of Harmony > Discord, Lord Tirek w/ Most Pony Magic = at least 2x Star

Storm King w/ Staff = All Alicorn Magic Twilight, Tirek w/ chaos = at least 4x Star (4-C+)

Rainbow Power > Full Power Tirek = at least 8x Star (High 4-C)
 
Discord is not 2x star for beating Celestia and Luna at once. He never tanked or overpowered both of them at once physically, or with an energy blast, and it's far more likely he did so via Reality Warping. And since when do the Pillars or their artifacts scale to the Elements of Harmony? They may have had a role in making the tree, but they damn sure aren't as powerful as it.
 
I'll admit that scaling the pillars to the EoH is a reach. In that regard, I put the Pony of Shadows back at 4-C

Also, were't you agreeing with us about Discord being at least 2x Star earlier in the thread.
 
Yes, mostly through powerscaling to Tirek since he provided a substantial amount of Tirek's power when he fought Twilight. Tirek went from Princess level to matching the might of all 4 with it.
 
There is only one villian that we do not have here... The tantabus, I think it should be at least 4-C, possiblity High 4-C (stated by Luna that nothing can stop it if it gains a physical form outside the dreams)

It could be like this:

Tier: 11-A | At least 4-C, Possibly High 4-C

Name: Tantabus

Orrigin: My little pony

Classification: menifestation of nightmares

Gender: inapplicable

Age: either unknown or over 1111 years old (might be related to nightmare moon)

Powers/abilities: dream manipulation, fear manipulation....

Weaknesses: Something related to Luna (Forgot it)

you can fill out the rest... Gotta rewatch that episode.

Within a dream | with a physical form
 
The 2nd Existential Seed said:
Unless something super obscure escapes me, I don't think it wouldn't be too bad to scale the God-Tiers to it (God-Tiers being the Elements of the Human and Pony World... And those shown to directly resist and or overpower them)...... Considering now we know that the Elements in both Worlds are a lot stronger than the Alicorns of Equestria who are obviously just Tier 4 (A portion of The Element of Magic from Ponyville is rivaled by the True Dazzlings, which are above Starswirl and are now essentially viewed as fodder by EQG: Friendship Games + Beyond) and considering literally only a select few would be upgraded by such a thing since this would only affect the Tier 4's when amped by the Elements (again unless I'm missing somethng super obscure)... It isn't too bad as far as the applications.
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I'm not sure why you say The Dazzlings become fodder when compared to later EQG.
 
Firestorm808 said:
Considering that all three Sirens are easily taken down by Star Swirl, they are some degree below Star Level. Since their true power was taken down by the EQG elements, they are comparable to at least Multi-Continental.
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But that wasn't a raw strength feat, it was a spell, and the circumstances behind it are unclear, so w can't say for sure that Starswirl is above The Dazzlings. In fact, I think he's weaker because he had to banish them.
 
^Sorry. I forgot to retract that statement of mine. I rewatched the scene and saw what actually happened.
 
Firestorm808 said:
According to this, their prime Siren forms should be comparable if not stronger than Starswirl the Bearded as Low 4-C. After all, Starswirl was able to consistently provide a sixth of the power necessary to move the sun.
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Twilight's 4-C, and Starswirl is comparable,so he's 4-C. Plus, he was shown as comparable to the princesses in pushing back the forest.
 
Lightbuster30 said:
Why is the Pony of Shadows 4-C+? He's done nothing to warrant it. He has nothing scaling him to either All-Alicorn Twilight or Full Power Tirek.
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His durability certainly does, and why shouldn't his AP be comparable to his durability?
 
Twilight and Starlight and Starswirl still need to get a 4-C key. And her first alicorn form says season 1-8, which doesn't make sense. And I still don't understand why people think she got stronger as an alicorn. Also, the Mane 6 still need a Power of Friendship Key, and the Strom King should be upgraded, Stygian should be upgraded, I believe (unless it's already been implemented), Sombra should get some mind abilities, and the elements and Discord should get an At least rating, because of DIscord feats. Also Grogar still shouldn't be Unknown.
 
GokuSparkle said:
His durability certainly does, and why shouldn't his AP be comparable to his durability?
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He tanked the Elements of Harmony and that's it. The EoH are bare minimum 2x Alicorn level. The Pillars are not, and there is nothing to suggest their weapons/artifacts are on that level.
 
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