BeautifulDuwanged
She/Her- 172
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This one will be very simple. I propose that we remove the 2-C scaling from keys that currently have it as a "Likely" rating, as well as the Pony of Shadows. The Elements of Harmony, Rainbow Power, Cosmos, Pony-Up Transformations, Gloriosa Daisy, and the Dazzlings all stay unaffected as they have vastly different feats.
Currently, most of our reasoning for Likely 2-C for My Little Pony characters that were previously 4-B (outside of the Pony of Shadows) is scaling to Luna. The issue here is that these feats blatantly are taken out of context.
"(Despite being notably inferior, she was powerful enough to briefly push and then hold back a blast from the Elements of Harmony as Nightmare Moon. She was also so powerful that the Pony of Shadows became completely obessed with the power she wielded, and was considered powerful enough to pose a challenge to the Pony of Shadows)"
"she was powerful enough to briefly push back and then hold back a blast"
The issue with this is that the Elements of Harmony are blatantly weaker and aren't at their full power. Stated here, the Elements of Harmony can only be used properly by those who represent the spirits of Harmony. For example: Sunset Shimmer, who we know is the Element of Redemption, wielded every other element but Redemption and Magic, was easily overpowered by Sci-Twi without taking advantage of her, despite Sunset outnumbering her with the Elements. You also can't make the case that she "held it off briefly" when it's evident that she's unable to be comparable to her, as Midnight Sparkle is such an overwhelming force that Sci-Twi knew that her power alone was way more powerful than the Pony-Up transformations, and Sci-Twi with the exact same power as Midnight Sparkle overwhelmed Gloriosa Daisy who was overpowering most of the Pony-Up transformations at once. Not only is it blatantly weaker, but Celestia also wasn't even using them to harm Nightmare Moon, but only to send her to the moon, so the fact alone that it's way weaker, to the point that five of the Elements struggle against a single Element when used by the proper user, shouldn't at all make it valid to scale the Elements to someone who was overpowered by it. Additionally, we know that the Elements can literally hold back their power to do something, to doing something as simple as destroying a magic rock, without affecting the person holding it, or destroying the Siren's projections and their gems, completely leaving the Dazzlings undamaged by the blast.
Of course, while we know that the scaling in general makes no sense, it also makes no sense to scale someone who's a lower threat when compared to Starlight Glimmer that is a direct equal to Twilight Sparkle who's Mean Six counterpart, the one who's simply a clone of Twilight that's more rude, explicitly brings up how no pony in Equestria could defeat her and the Mean Six with the Elements of Harmony, directly including the princesses in that statement. There's no reason to assume she's lying about this or even saying this to manipulate the others when she was trying to plan on using them in the first place, telling them to stop goofing around, and was trying her absolute hardest to overpower Chrysalis, which is the only reason she had no idea that they had triggered the Tree of Harmony. Since we know that Celestia was holding back the entire fight, the fact that she simply got up unharmed from an attack from Nightmare Moon alone should imply that she's already stronger than her without the Elements, and given how the scaling to the Elements with Nightmare Moon aren't even solid reasons in the first place as explained above, it's far more likely for this not to be applicable to scaling, if not just an outlier.
The rest of the scaling here to the Pony of Shadows is fine, but it marks one issue.
The Pony of Shadow's scaling is simply taken out of context and goes against his entire plan, plus how the feat itself wouldn't at all fit 2-C, but rather 3-A if it were even usable.
"Scaled from durability. A threat to all of Equestria after regaining his true power. Notably superior to the Princesses and Star Swirl the Bearded. Stated that he can reshape all realities"
"Withstood a blast from the combined effort of the Elements of Harmony, Star Swirl, the other Pillars and Sunburst. It required all the Elements, the Pillars, Starlight, and Sunburst to separate Stygian from the Shadow"
As well as what was concluded above, too, it did not "withstand a blast" of the Elements of Harmony. Like said above, the Elements can directly choose whether or not to target something (or to even damage it, given how they can literally turn people who are evidently weaker than it just into statues rather than killing them), and Starswirl himself literally states that they're not trying to attack or harm him, but rather push him back into limbo, which is directly confirmed by the Pony of Shadows to be what was happening. The Pony of Shadows doesn't even tank it, either, it's simply pushing him inside there, which is more so applicable to the Elements of Harmony with their lifting strength, something that just varies between users. The fact that the only way it was clearly feeling damage was when it was getting Stygian torn out from it's chest should alone point out that it's not even an attack, or at least, an attack that's supposed to harm it.
(As for being a "threat to all of Equestria", all this means is the planet, not the universe or anything, though this is just to settle confusion)
Now, for the "Reshape all of realities", he never once states he's going to reshape them. The closest he states is that he's going to overrun realities, which is clearly referring to his plan of eradicating light which is also brought into the show as well as comics. This was to make the worlds like him, an empty void, and cloaking it in shadows, something under his control. He never stated he was going to reshape these realities, he never stated he was going to change them, he never stated he was going to eradicate them, or anything on that premise. His plan was simply put, to eradicate all light in the universe and cover it in shadows. If it were to upgrade anything, that's going to be a blatant Galaxy level feat, but it clearly isn't Low Multiversal level, or even Universal+ level for that matter, according to our standards.
Also, as a sidenote, it didn't require the Elements of Harmony to even separate Stygian from the shadow, especially since he was overpowered by it, it was because Twilight needed help to pull him out (which Sunburst and Starswirl directly assist in doing, not just the Elements). As for other supporting feats that were brought up for the 2-C rating before, which at this point I can only think of this one, it should just be pointed out that the Pony of Shadows was doing his plan to all worlds overtime of which there are an infinite amount. This is blatantly overtime, given how it's literally just an infinite power for destruction, not literal infinite power, and given how it's referring to his plan of dumping out essentially all worlds and making them a void, which he clearly doesn't do at once, it's much more likely he's just explaining what he's going to do, which is essentially to destroy (not literally, just overrun them with shadows) an infinite amount of worlds. Not to mention that the Pony of Shadows brags about his power and was extremely obsessed with the power of the princesses, that it was more likely that he's not only exaggerating this a bit, but it's probably even more likely that he's using it as a scare tactic given the context of the scan.
That's it.
Currently, most of our reasoning for Likely 2-C for My Little Pony characters that were previously 4-B (outside of the Pony of Shadows) is scaling to Luna. The issue here is that these feats blatantly are taken out of context.
"(Despite being notably inferior, she was powerful enough to briefly push and then hold back a blast from the Elements of Harmony as Nightmare Moon. She was also so powerful that the Pony of Shadows became completely obessed with the power she wielded, and was considered powerful enough to pose a challenge to the Pony of Shadows)"
"she was powerful enough to briefly push back and then hold back a blast"
The issue with this is that the Elements of Harmony are blatantly weaker and aren't at their full power. Stated here, the Elements of Harmony can only be used properly by those who represent the spirits of Harmony. For example: Sunset Shimmer, who we know is the Element of Redemption, wielded every other element but Redemption and Magic, was easily overpowered by Sci-Twi without taking advantage of her, despite Sunset outnumbering her with the Elements. You also can't make the case that she "held it off briefly" when it's evident that she's unable to be comparable to her, as Midnight Sparkle is such an overwhelming force that Sci-Twi knew that her power alone was way more powerful than the Pony-Up transformations, and Sci-Twi with the exact same power as Midnight Sparkle overwhelmed Gloriosa Daisy who was overpowering most of the Pony-Up transformations at once. Not only is it blatantly weaker, but Celestia also wasn't even using them to harm Nightmare Moon, but only to send her to the moon, so the fact alone that it's way weaker, to the point that five of the Elements struggle against a single Element when used by the proper user, shouldn't at all make it valid to scale the Elements to someone who was overpowered by it. Additionally, we know that the Elements can literally hold back their power to do something, to doing something as simple as destroying a magic rock, without affecting the person holding it, or destroying the Siren's projections and their gems, completely leaving the Dazzlings undamaged by the blast.
Of course, while we know that the scaling in general makes no sense, it also makes no sense to scale someone who's a lower threat when compared to Starlight Glimmer that is a direct equal to Twilight Sparkle who's Mean Six counterpart, the one who's simply a clone of Twilight that's more rude, explicitly brings up how no pony in Equestria could defeat her and the Mean Six with the Elements of Harmony, directly including the princesses in that statement. There's no reason to assume she's lying about this or even saying this to manipulate the others when she was trying to plan on using them in the first place, telling them to stop goofing around, and was trying her absolute hardest to overpower Chrysalis, which is the only reason she had no idea that they had triggered the Tree of Harmony. Since we know that Celestia was holding back the entire fight, the fact that she simply got up unharmed from an attack from Nightmare Moon alone should imply that she's already stronger than her without the Elements, and given how the scaling to the Elements with Nightmare Moon aren't even solid reasons in the first place as explained above, it's far more likely for this not to be applicable to scaling, if not just an outlier.
The rest of the scaling here to the Pony of Shadows is fine, but it marks one issue.
The Pony of Shadow's scaling is simply taken out of context and goes against his entire plan, plus how the feat itself wouldn't at all fit 2-C, but rather 3-A if it were even usable.
"Scaled from durability. A threat to all of Equestria after regaining his true power. Notably superior to the Princesses and Star Swirl the Bearded. Stated that he can reshape all realities"
"Withstood a blast from the combined effort of the Elements of Harmony, Star Swirl, the other Pillars and Sunburst. It required all the Elements, the Pillars, Starlight, and Sunburst to separate Stygian from the Shadow"
As well as what was concluded above, too, it did not "withstand a blast" of the Elements of Harmony. Like said above, the Elements can directly choose whether or not to target something (or to even damage it, given how they can literally turn people who are evidently weaker than it just into statues rather than killing them), and Starswirl himself literally states that they're not trying to attack or harm him, but rather push him back into limbo, which is directly confirmed by the Pony of Shadows to be what was happening. The Pony of Shadows doesn't even tank it, either, it's simply pushing him inside there, which is more so applicable to the Elements of Harmony with their lifting strength, something that just varies between users. The fact that the only way it was clearly feeling damage was when it was getting Stygian torn out from it's chest should alone point out that it's not even an attack, or at least, an attack that's supposed to harm it.
(As for being a "threat to all of Equestria", all this means is the planet, not the universe or anything, though this is just to settle confusion)
Now, for the "Reshape all of realities", he never once states he's going to reshape them. The closest he states is that he's going to overrun realities, which is clearly referring to his plan of eradicating light which is also brought into the show as well as comics. This was to make the worlds like him, an empty void, and cloaking it in shadows, something under his control. He never stated he was going to reshape these realities, he never stated he was going to change them, he never stated he was going to eradicate them, or anything on that premise. His plan was simply put, to eradicate all light in the universe and cover it in shadows. If it were to upgrade anything, that's going to be a blatant Galaxy level feat, but it clearly isn't Low Multiversal level, or even Universal+ level for that matter, according to our standards.
Also, as a sidenote, it didn't require the Elements of Harmony to even separate Stygian from the shadow, especially since he was overpowered by it, it was because Twilight needed help to pull him out (which Sunburst and Starswirl directly assist in doing, not just the Elements). As for other supporting feats that were brought up for the 2-C rating before, which at this point I can only think of this one, it should just be pointed out that the Pony of Shadows was doing his plan to all worlds overtime of which there are an infinite amount. This is blatantly overtime, given how it's literally just an infinite power for destruction, not literal infinite power, and given how it's referring to his plan of dumping out essentially all worlds and making them a void, which he clearly doesn't do at once, it's much more likely he's just explaining what he's going to do, which is essentially to destroy (not literally, just overrun them with shadows) an infinite amount of worlds. Not to mention that the Pony of Shadows brags about his power and was extremely obsessed with the power of the princesses, that it was more likely that he's not only exaggerating this a bit, but it's probably even more likely that he's using it as a scare tactic given the context of the scan.
That's it.
