The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

[Kulf_Boba]

Does Ultima's comment on TOAA's influence in the cosmology found in the Neutral Zone mean that the entire cosmology there fluctuates depending on which writer is crafting the story?

Therefore, could the universe be finite or infinite according to the writer, or could Spider-Man possibly be on par with herald tiers?

 

[HigashikataJobin]

I think it might be enough for this little revision to pass?

https://vsbattles.com/threads/the-sentry-void-important-addition.163416/

 

[Eseseso]

I think it might be enough for this little revision to pass?

https://vsbattles.com/threads/the-sentry-void-important-addition.163416/

No, you need 2-3 staff votes.

 

[Excellence616]

God-Emperor Doom Revisions

Yeah, I have been busy with other things, but his God Emperor Doom's P&A section is pretty bad as of right now, so here we go: Forcefield Creation: Blocked a lethal attack from Mr. Sinister against Captain Britain with an energy barrier. Regeneration Negation (Low Godly): Effortlessly killed...

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[Eseseso]

God-Emperor Doom Revisions

Yeah, I have been busy with other things, but his God Emperor Doom's P&A section is pretty bad as of right now, so here we go: Forcefield Creation: Blocked a lethal attack from Mr. Sinister against Captain Britain with an energy barrier. Regeneration Negation (Low Godly): Effortlessly killed...

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Man, I though I'd find more stuff for Doom.

Ah well.

 

[Eseseso]

Btw, I think that, since Doctor Strange without magic is already accepted to have street level Striking Strength and Durability, he should be "9-C, Varies from 5-A to Low 1-A with Artifacts and Spells", with the 9-C accounting for his physical AP.

 

[Deagonx]

Btw, I think that, since Doctor Strange without magic is already accepted to have street level Striking Strength and Durability, he should be "9-C, Varies from 5-A to Low 1-A with Artifacts and Spells", with the 9-C accounting for his physical AP.

We don't usually do that for people who are primarily spellcasters, in my experience.

 

[Excellence616]

Btw, I think that, since Doctor Strange without magic is already accepted to have street level Striking Strength and Durability, he should be "9-C, Varies from 5-A to Low 1-A with Artifacts and Spells", with the 9-C accounting for his physical AP.

Or 9-C physically, Varies from 5-A to Low 1-A with Magic.... .


Yours can work.

 

[Excellence616]

We don't usually do that for people who are primarily spellcasters, in my experience.

We do iirc.

 

[Eseseso]

Or 9-C physically, Varies from 5-A to Low 1-A with Magic.... .


Yours can work.

For right now it should be the same, but I do definitely plan on adding more magic feats for Strange that are Low 1-A without needing prep, so I'll change it to your proposal when that happens.

We don't usually do that for people who are primarily spellcasters, in my experience.

I get that, but Strange has been shown in hand-to-hand combat in the comics.

 

[BLS]

Shame there are no pages for the Celestial artifacts (Deathseed, Lifeseed etc.). Are they not notable enough?

 

[Kulf_Boba]

Does Ultima's comment on TOAA's influence in the cosmology found in the Neutral Zone mean that the entire cosmology there fluctuates depending on which writer is crafting the story?

Therefore, could the universe be finite or infinite according to the writer, or could Spider-Man possibly be on par with herald tiers?

bump.

 

[Mariogoods]

JJJ, despite unable to challenge Omni-Man, is index-worthy.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Famous last words.

Honestly a good call, too. Immortal Thor basically made explicit every single thing I thought about the Elder Gods (Core aspects of Part 3), one after another, so.

 

[Eseseso]

Honestly a good call, too. Immortal Thor basically made explicit every single thing I thought about the Elder Gods (Core aspects of Part 3), one after another, so.

Will it affect the scope of the Elder Gods (like their High 1-A tier) or the cosmology?

 

[Yuhady123]

Al Ewing is a GOAT!! He's really cooked in his run on Immortal Thor. Especially this scan. Which some of the information in it is:

1.Elder Gods, unlike other gods such as zeus, odin and other who created through stories and mortal believes, Elder Gods exist before humanity could name and shape them.
2.There were other Demiurges who exist before the seventh cosmos.
3.'Demiurge-To-Come' is Wiccan while 'Demiurge Primordial' is a creator of the Elder Gods.
4.Elder Gods. wheel, cycle, life (gaea) and deep magick? ( idk what it means) is stated to be the aspect of Demiurge Primordial.
5.Elder Gods were stated to be the living concept.

 

[DOOMSLAYER127]

Al Ewing is a GOAT!! He's really cooked in his run on Immortal Thor. Especially this scan. Which some of the information in it is:

1.Elder Gods, unlike other gods such as zeus, odin and other who created through stories and mortal believes, Elder Gods exist before humanity could name and shape them.
2.There were other Demiurges who exist before the seventh cosmos.
3.'Demiurge-To-Come' is Wiccan while 'Demiurge Primordial' is a creator of the Elder Gods.
4.Elder Gods. wheel, cycle, life (gaea) and deep magick? ( idk what it means) is stated to be the aspect of Demiurge Primordial.
5.Elder Gods were stated to be the living concept.

Is there some implications that this being is above TOAA too? Is TOAA mentioned in that comic?

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

Al Ewing is a GOAT!! He's really cooked in his run on Immortal Thor. Especially this scan. Which some of the information in it is:

1.Elder Gods, unlike other gods such as zeus, odin and other who created through stories and mortal believes, Elder Gods exist before humanity could name and shape them.
2.There were other Demiurges who exist before the seventh cosmos.
3.'Demiurge-To-Come' is Wiccan while 'Demiurge Primordial' is a creator of the Elder Gods.
4.Elder Gods. wheel, cycle, life (gaea) and deep magick? ( idk what it means) is stated to be the aspect of Demiurge Primordial.
5.Elder Gods were stated to be the living concept.

For the most part it was known. it just added extra to compliment the origin for the Elder Gods better as Al Ewing took the idea that the Demiurge birthed them.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

Is there some implications that this being is above TOAA too? Is TOAA mentioned in that comic?

That specific issue does not mention the One Above All. That Demiurge isn’t more powerful but the One Above All has Demiurgic fire when things were being birth from his spark as mentioned in Incredible Hulk by Philip K. Johnson.

 

[Eseseso]

Speaking of Immortal Thor:


So Thor's existence is breaking reality as he moves through the world, and he is an other-dimensional being outside of the standard universe (not all of 616, just the normal universe).

Also we still haven't put BDE2 for his soul transcending dimensions on his profile.

 

[DOOMSLAYER127]

That specific issue does not mentioned the One Above All. That Demiurge isn’t more powerful but the One Above All has Demiurgic fire when things were being birth from his spark as mentioned in Incredible Hulk by Philip K. Johnson.

Oh, what about mother of horrors? Is she the reason that elder gods are corrupted like it happened to set and cthon(sorry for the spelling).

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

Oh, what about mother of horrors? Is she the reason that elder gods are corrupted like it happened to set and cthon(sorry for the spelling).

I wouldn’t say so and that’s really because we have no direct concrete links to stories like G.O.D.S, Hulk, or Thor just yet. The Elder Gods planned this long ago and well the Mothers hasn’t directly appeared as we’re only seeing her creations come from which the One Above All hid their face and beauty and when they do, they just die to Hulk.

 

[DOOMSLAYER127]

I wouldn’t say so and that’s really because we have no direct concrete links to stories like G.O.D.S, Hulk, or Thor just yet. The Elder Gods planned this long ago and well the Mothers hasn’t directly appeared as we’re only seeing her creations come from which the One Above All hid their face and beauty and when they do, they just die to Hulk.

Btw who sealed the mother of horrors? Is it TOAA?

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

Btw who sealed the mother of horrors? Is it TOAA?

I guess in sort but Hulk was the last reasoning to why she was bonded. Though through him would she also be released from the depths.

 

[Yuhady123]

What do you all think about this? In Immortal Thor #2, it's say Yggdrasil "whose highest point is the very crown of creation" which is another name for House Of Idea and it also can speak. And in the same issue, Toranos called Far Shore as The Yawning Void which is Ginnungagap.

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

What do you all think about this? In Immortal Thor #2, it's say Yggdrasil "whose highest point is the very crown of creation" which is another name for House Of Idea and it also can speak. And in the same issue, Toranos called Far Shore as The Yawning Void which is Ginnungagap.

Seems like it confirms High 1-A RKT

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

Thor doesn’t scale to the Void nor did he destroy the Tree. Yggdrasil is symbolic as the Tree of Life which also is similar to Kabbalah. Though this messes up lots of stuff even if the same author wrote it.

 

[AcidSilver]

Some new stuff from this week's comics (that I've read)
Dr. Strange is notified if someone enters the Sanctum Santorum (though strong enough magic users can still sneak in)
https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/423379147029741571/1204959863881465896/ABLVV87o614fpNOCpVOJ7gSp8hS3vGqNM5vrAz_mRkOYsy-yT0PFH9SFLcujVY9yTV47D9Rda-VTP46PurKWHIyrH0FsMRaKd4e-YrpCV9B7PwJQTQvHIs4s1600.png?ex=65d6a152&is=65c42c52&hm=4e0facb490c3cacce2fa1f5edd7df4442ec806f0ee8c1bbbb8642068bed67048&
Reed not only has his own time platform
https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/423379147029741571/1204961876698595349/ABLVV84IFn2Kpl0fApQq3qT8l0pGRo3kHLPtEUtCgRwYK_0tqFRwNWdORmhITTKp7CQc_OJ6DhFw5hB8aRtyRFTu84vBMcqXpnLBlFfZZ9erC5UFkvAbSrss1600.png?ex=65d6a332&is=65c42e32&hm=8d48e38f606b7e959a2b32ba9195416c3385e010d159296c77f52eeeee359cc4&
But he also has 3D printers that can print human bodies that are real enough to fool Rama-Tut
https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/423379147029741571/1204963304011726928/ABLVV879--Nw5jDn3mlhboaWwVnyN0xs6zzfDG8wiu5gC-bbHpj0wsoiq1qCZ9ll_zjQ6zQhNlKcEa4AIL38OCNIBQTbD5dK5-i4pjSKcjbqerNYrnKocREs1600.png?ex=65d6a486&is=65c42f86&hm=747a51f1b762961333381eadc704174c8813caf1cefdef6137ff27e265e52b2d&
Also he now has a gun specifically made to counter time travelers
https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/423379147029741571/1204962991074836560/ABLVV86MqKLvPtLEuMQnAA0ePEwjNH-pGt2wCwjdoMlW2wZuMXIpYirEMwgQYKNQiJggd2-uoayLp-bL9WpZtwEDYEKkhhvqZxcLpp3b5O2ysFqpu9_hZGMs1600.png?ex=65d6a43c&is=65c42f3c&hm=64314c4747872ff9415eb1ed200abfbd579e683c696c36d651557f5ae493bd95&
Also the entire Fantastic Four can read Braile
https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/423379147029741571/1204963172679811123/ABLVV84NWinKXLz3wG0hgfx_YtGSWYU9SXU3Uk2Mn8jyhISuy7hrj-h5P7DBuSfaZByWyu-80laj5q97frJy2NzuDwWmDRUSVNCpBDQpldh45SCg21IFRXss1600.png?ex=65d6a467&is=65c42f67&hm=b8c5b574d8729cc9bf0bce3d7a5c79d30df8b441bfcbec33c04d8b6612c234e5&
In X-Men news, Jean can keep a person's consciousness alive in her head even if their body is destroyed. Synch uses her powers to do this to Talon and it basically leaves him bedridden but that's because of the strain his body takes when he uses his powers on a mutant who isn't nearby so Jean shouldn't have the same problem, or at least not to the same level
https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/423379147029741571/1204963927763587143/ABLVV84oE9QU3vWgHSFxYVAVgf7bhrXBMGk8PFydMUBVen0_EUOJfFdtlyRVoI0wWKbNe7Kym0ktuhbXfXRa9nSx0EEvlSNbsJyJK40q11I0vVx7zhSdB3Is1600.png?ex=65d6a51b&is=65c4301b&hm=e93d370b8b5d50f49f88f9faf5bbf6709fb29365582b6b51204c01cd1b76b1d5&

Also the newest version of Nimrod is immune to being damaged via Kitty's ability to disrupt tech while phasing through it.
https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/423379147029741571/1204964626392158298/ABLVV86zl2y74ZNvV64fUXdI0qQEgyHoGtHoa2n8NXgjqninDyiqiqODc43RU07DrHRFmTeGZbdrSY9NgHgzdFi4wrGbCBnUeC2mRsUiZHcpo1FBCcJmpQQs1600.png?ex=65d6a5c2&is=65c430c2&hm=e7126fdd0e6129916e5ed87a2201f2e614eaf4c8a1951acb56f8bf0ce417e0b2&

 

[Excellence616]

Some Marvel Comics change

As the title, I'm gonna do some change on profile. which some of it is: 1. Minor change for the Black Winter. I've fixed the spelling and grammar, added new abilities, change justification in ap section. I've change fate manipulation to death manipulation because in this scan used for justified...

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[Excellence616]

Divine Creator(Marvel Comics) Profile

I just have to say that I do not believe that the Divine Creator and the One Above All should be the same thing. This is why I believe with my reasoning which I will present would elude to a profile separation and a new one for the Divine Creator. The creator of the character is J.M. DeMatteis...

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[HigashikataJobin]

The Sentry/Void important addition.

So, with Marvel's Astral Form P&A accepted here, The Sentry and The Void should have Astral Form Physiology added to their power section, since both are mental constructs created in Robert's mind that take form in the real world by his powers. Scans are from New Avengers (2005) Issues # 9 and...

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Guys please evaluate this

 

[Eseseso]

So in May they are releasing "Doom #1", which will apparently be Doctor Doom's "final journey" as he works with Valeria Richards to amass enough power to fight Galactus. And this will be for Earth 616 Doom, most likely.

Needless to say, I am very excited.

 

[Sparkive]

I was looking for the general MCU thread, but after reaching page 40 of General discussion, I got tired of searching, so I put it here, if there is a better place, please tell me...

So... this happened, as a result the start of 5-A is at 3.8 Yottatons instead of 2.7
I started reviewing verses that I cared about even a little, and found part of the 5-A of the MCU comes from scaling above this calculation
The change of the initial limit of 5-A still allows them to reach it, or not?

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

I was looking for the general MCU thread, but after reaching page 40 of General discussion, I got tired of searching, so I put it here, if there is a better place, please tell me...

So... this happened, as a result the start of 5-A is at 3.8 Yottatons instead of 2.7
I started reviewing verses that I cared about even a little, and found part of the 5-A of the MCU comes from scaling above this calculation
The change of the initial limit of 5-A still allows them to reach it, or not?

https://vsbattles.com/threads/mcu-phase-5-general-discussion-thread.148878/page-146 is the MCU general thread.

 

[Eseseso]

Speed of Light upgrade for Fantastic Four and Doom.

This should be simple and painless. In Fantastic Four Vol. 3 #25, Doctor Doom launches his forcefield as two energy beams that go at the speed of light, and Reed Richards himself moves at a speed "only slightly slower than that", which would downscale to "Relativistic+" and be just below...

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[Eseseso]

@Antvasima I would like permission to add an Infinite Speed Feat to the Astral Form page as a supporting speed feat.



As the panel shows, Strange's Astral Form moved so fast that time was literally stilled and Clea was suspended in time. Thus, an Infinite speed feat, although since Astral Form speed already goes up to Immeasurable it'd be more supporting than anything.

 

[Eseseso]

Also, I copied my Marvel Magic revisions sandbox onto a new page, put that entire mess into tabbers for the sake of organization:

Magic Explanation and P&A Page (Marvel Comics)

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Thoughts? If it's still messy, it's due to me being new at using tabbers.

 

[Antvasima]

@Antvasima I would like permission to add an Infinite Speed Feat to the Astral Form page as a supporting speed feat.



As the panel shows, Strange's Astral Form moved so fast that time was literally stilled and Clea was suspended in time. Thus, an Infinite speed feat, although since Astral Form speed already goes up to Immeasurable it'd be more supporting than anything.

What are our current accepted standards regarding this issue?

 

[Eseseso]

What are our current accepted standards regarding this issue?

To quote the page:

For more information, Infinite speed characters are so fast, they move faster than time can flow at any period. They perceive every finite speed character as completely frozen .

For why Umar isn't frozen in the scan, she is currently accepted as having Infinite Speed even outside the Dark Dimension.

 

[Antvasima]

I meant infinite speed for Marvel Comics and astral forms there.