(Minor) 5-A value check

[SeijiSetto]

I believe it comes from the GBE of Uranus.

I calculated it myself and got 2.84 Yottatons as opposed to baseline 5-A's 2.7 Yottatons.

This isn't to change the value, but the reason why it is what it is should be listed on the AP page, same way that it's stated Mercury is for Small Planet, Earth is for Planet, our Sun is for Star, etc.

 

[ElajRuengies]

It's actually from the GBE of Neptune

 

[SeijiSetto]

It's actually from the GBE of Neptune

I don't think so. I calculated Neptune's GBE to be around 4.08 Yottatons.

 

[ElajRuengies]

I don't think so. I calculated Neptune's GBE to be around 4.08 Yottatons.

Same actually, but I'm just saying what was on the New GBE Formula page. Although that might've only been relevant for finding Solar System level in hindsight.

Yeah this prolly needs fixing

 

[KLOL506]

Yeah this seems really weird.

I honestly to this day still have no idea how they got that value.

@DontTalkDT

 

[SeijiSetto]

While we're here I (in)formally suggest 5-A be renamed to High 5-B and High 5-A becomes just 5-A :D

 

[DontTalkDT]

It's one of the OBD baselines we never updated, I believe.

 

[KLOL506]

Prolly should then.

 

[DontTalkDT]

I bet they used the GBE calculation via surface gravity and then rounded to 2.7.

But I guess we might as well change that at some point.

Edit: Might as well update it to 1.59*10^34 J then.

 

[KLOL506]

Edit: Might as well update it to 1.59*10^34 J then.

This document says "Gravitational Potential Energy", not "Gravitational Binding Energy".

 

[SeijiSetto]

I bet they used the GBE calculation via surface gravity and then rounded to 2.7.

But I guess we might as well change that at some point.

Edit: Might as well update it to 1.59*10^34 J then.

In the ballpark of 3.8 YT.

This document says "Gravitational Potential Energy", not "Gravitational Binding Energy".

Isn't GBE effectively calculating the GPE of infinitely thin spherical shells for the entire body?

 

[DontTalkDT]

This document says "Gravitational Potential Energy", not "Gravitational Binding Energy".

I believe in this context it's the same.

GBE is the GPE measured from infinitely far away. (Here's some video that mentions they are the same)
Our formula for polytropes does also comes from a paper dealing with PE and there we see nicely how the paper derivates the same GBE formula as the usual one for n = 0, which matches our assumptions (constant density).

But feel free to confirm that further. Always best to have that stuff double checked.

 

[KLOL506]

Ah. I see. Aite then.

 

[KLOL506]

Bump

 

[SeijiSetto]

BUMP.

 

[KLOL506]

BUMP.

 

[Cropfist]

The tiering system page implies that "large gas giants such as Jupiter and Saturn" are the baseline?

 

[ElajRuengies]

The tiering system page implies that "large gas giants such as Jupiter and Saturn" are the baseline?

Huh, it does.

That'd have to be changed to "large ice giants like Uranus and Neptune"

 

[SeijiSetto]

bump

 

[Therefir]

Huh, it does.

That'd have to be changed to "large ice giants like Uranus and Neptune"

Seems pretty minor so I have changed it to ice giants.

 

[KLOL506]

Also, this would result in our 4-B's baseline value changed.

As per the formula from here: 4 * U * (Explosion Radius/Target Radius)^2

Explosion Radius (Neptune-to-Sun Distance): 30.07 AU or 4.49542e+12 m

Neptune Radius: 24622000 m

Neptune's GBE being roughly 2.19e+34 J

4 * 2.19e+34 * ((4.49542e+12 / 24622000)^2) = 2.9201018e+45 J or 29.201018 Foe.

 

[KLOL506]

Bump.

Were the changes applied?

 

[KLOL506]

@DontTalkDT

 

[KLOL506]

Necro Bump

 

[KLOL506]

Bump

 

[Dalesean027]

@KLOL506 has this been concluded?

 

[KLOL506]

No, still waiting for DT to make the changes.

 

[Dalesean027]

No, still waiting for DT to make the changes.

Unfortunate. His last comment was in July so I'll just re-ping just in case he doesn't have notos
@DontTalkDT

 

[Catzlaflame]

If all that's left to do is apply, im failing to see why it needs to be DT who does it. If one of you provides the 2.8 yottatons in tonnes and joules as well as the new high/low end ratio I'll apply it or unlock the page if one of you want to apply it. If DT has something he wants to change he can do so when he has the time, but he's already given a thumbs up so no need to wait anymore imo.

@SeijiSetto does the below look acceptable ?

Also, this would result in our 4-B's baseline value changed.

As per the formula from here: 4 * U * (Explosion Radius/Target Radius)^2

Explosion Radius (Neptune-to-Sun Distance): 30.07 AU or 4.49542e+12 m

Neptune Radius: 24622000 m

Neptune's GBE being roughly 2.19e+34 J

4 * 2.19e+34 * (4.49542e+12 / 24622000)^2 = 2.9201018e+45 J or 29.201018 Foe.

 

[SeijiSetto]

If all that's left to do is apply, im failing to see why it needs to be DT who does it. If one of you provides the 2.8 yottatons in tonnes and joules as well as the new high/low end ratio I'll apply it or unlock the page if one of you want to apply it. If DT has something he wants to change he can do so when he has the time, but he's already given a thumbs up so no need to wait anymore imo.

@SeijiSetto does the below look acceptable ?

i meant to reply to this but it slipped my mind
gimme a bit

 

[KLOL506]

Bump.

We also need to change our values for blowing up the planets, not just the solar system stuff, as per this comment. Which means our values for 5-A would need to be changed as well.

I bet they used the GBE calculation via surface gravity and then rounded to 2.7.

But I guess we might as well change that at some point.

Edit: Might as well update it to 1.59*10^34 J then.

 

[KLOL506]

@DontTalkDT Pls help us finish this.

 

[Kulf_Boba]

Bump

 

[Kulf_Boba]

Bump

 

[KLOL506]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

I think that this seems fine to apply.

 

[DontTalkDT]

I made the following edits:

New GBE Formula: Revised Attack Potency

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Attack Potency

Destructive Capacity is the term used to determine the amount of damage a character can produce. It is normally the deciding factor of VS matches along with Speed. It is measured in units of energy. An alternative term for Destructive Capacity which has more direct meaning: The Destructive...

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Someone (everyone) check that I made no mistake.

 

[BreezeHM]

Someone (everyone) check that I made no mistake.

You forgot to change 5-B's caught off value from 2.7 to 3.8 Yottatons

 

[KLOL506]

I made the following edits:

New GBE Formula: Revised Attack Potency

vsbattles.fandom.com

Attack Potency

Destructive Capacity is the term used to determine the amount of damage a character can produce. It is normally the deciding factor of VS matches along with Speed. It is measured in units of energy. An alternative term for Destructive Capacity which has more direct meaning: The Destructive...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Someone (everyone) check that I made no mistake.

Large Planet: Jupiter should be changed to Neptune.

The new GBE links should be posted as well.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Whoops, that's why you shouldn't do edit while tired <.<
Gonna fix that stuff, gimma a moment.

The new GBE links should be posted as well.

The GBE links are in the blog posts.

Large Planet: Jupiter should be changed to Neptune.

Actually Uranus, no?