The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

[Tomfer]

Thanks but honestly there being such little content right now is why I'm able to put so much detail into it lol.

I mean, yeah. It's easier to organize everything and we, for now, have an easy path to look for feats since he has only 1 run.

I'm interested to see where it goes but yeah Moon Knight not being an avatar of Khonshu definitely is a choice. I wouldn't be surprised if we get a more conventional Moon Knight down the road after Ultimate Black Panther.

The worse part is that they don't have anything in common to his 616-counter part, NOT EVEN HIS ABSOLUTE STYLE. It's mid and I'm a sad man.

I missed or are going to need to be made that you can claim if you want

Probably going to check out Invasion, not really X-Men since I'm a hater, lmao.

Also a verse page needs to be made down the road, should we just call it Earth-6160?

Yeah? It is the new 6160 and the old one is gone. Maybe Current 6160/Ultimate and Old 6160/Ultimate. (I still prefer to just call it Earth-6160)

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

I wish I knew.

I also personally think he should have at least the P&A of the OG 1984 Beyonder and of Cosmic Cubes since he should at the very least scale above them.

Oh wait, I just realized you and Ultima had discussed this before.

High 1-B people (from what I can tell): Odin, Zeus, Skyfather Hercules, Thor with Odinforce, Base Herald of Thunder, and God Blast, Uatu (no idea how he scales to Odin or High 1-B but this is what I've heard), Moderately Fed Galactus, Doom with prep/tech and absorption

High 1-A: Rune King Thor & Herald of Thunder with Absorption and God Blast, Life Bringer Galactus, Ones who Sit Above in Shadow

God Emperor Doom would either be Low 1-A via scaling above the IG, or High 1-A since Reed with his powers brough back the Marvel Multiverse.

Low 1-A: Dark Phoenix (via scaling above Giraud due to being the most powerful Phoenix force host), Shuma Gorath, Ant-Man at max size

High 1-A for that is a no-go. Dan Slott's run of Silver Surfer made it clear that the Incursions didn't actually destroy Eternity's "body", just emptied him of universes and caused a sort of reboot on his consciousness (Hence him being reborn as himself instead of a whole other entity, as it went with the previous cosmoses). Reed really just remade a few universes and then Eternity's own internal systems did the rest (That, or Molecule Man did, seeing as he's described as the "demiurge" of the Eighth Cosmos and the one actually responsible for putting the wheel of time back in motion)

In other words, we can't use Reed restoring the omniverse to argue for High 1-A God Emperor Doom since that feat never scaled to the entirety of Multi-Eternity. We probably can't give G.E.D. High 1-A scaling based solely on having "the powers of the Beyonders either," since using extra-dimensional energy doesn't scale you to that power source in its prime state (hence why DC speedsters and lanterns don't scale to the fundamental forces inherently). So at that point, we'd only get High 1-A G.E.D. if we had evidence that his reserves of Beyonder energy equated to the power of a single Beyonder (or could otherwise exert power on that level).

 

[Eseseso]

Oh wait, I just realized you and Ultima had discussed this before.


In other words, we can't use Reed restoring the omniverse to argue for High 1-A God Emperor Doom since that feat never scaled to the entirety of Multi-Eternity. We probably can't give G.E.D. High 1-A scaling based solely on having "the powers of the Beyonders either," since using extra-dimensional energy doesn't scale you to that power source in its prime state (hence why DC speedsters and lanterns don't scale to the fundamental forces inherently). So at that point, we'd only get High 1-A G.E.D. if we had evidence that his reserves of Beyonder energy equated to the power of a single Beyonder (or could otherwise exert power on that level).

That's why I just said in the recent CRT I made that he just has the powers of a normal cosmic cube

 

[Yuhady123]

Let Him Cook!!🗣

 

[Excellence616]

That's why I just said in the recent CRT I made that he just has the powers of a normal cosmic cube

Would this help in any of your Blogs? (Silver Surfer related)

• The Surfer frees himself of the Goddess's control over him and resists a psychic blast from Moondragon, an already very powerful telepath, whose powers were amplified greatly by the mind gem. When Moondragon used a similar attack on Prof. X, she put him in a coma.
• • He enters the Astral Plane, where he describes it as the source of his power.
  • Enters the Astral Plane of existence to destroy the soul of a foe.
  • Resists Mephisto's soul absorbing demons and nearly overpowers Mephisto in his own realm.
  • Mephisto absorbs the Surfer into himself, but the Surfer's will and the pure goodness of the Surfer's spirit proves too much for Mephisto to handle.
  • Helps save Puppet Master's soul from the clutches of Mephisto and guides him back to life.
  • Reed Richards, maddened by the Soul Gem and being possessed by the Inbetweener, attempts to absorb the Surfer's soul, but the Surfer resists. Reed then absorbs the soul of his wife, Susan, but the Surfer still resists the assault.
  • The Surfer and Mephisto battle in their astral forms.

 

[Excellence616]

Would this help in any of your Blogs? (Silver Surfer related)

• The Surfer frees himself of the Goddess's control over him and resists a psychic blast from Moondragon, an already very powerful telepath, whose powers were amplified greatly by the mind gem. When Moondragon used a similar attack on Prof. X, she put him in a coma.
• • He enters the Astral Plane, where he describes it as the source of his power.
  • Enters the Astral Plane of existence to destroy the soul of a foe.
  • Resists Mephisto's soul absorbing demons and nearly overpowers Mephisto in his own realm.
  • Mephisto absorbs the Surfer into himself, but the Surfer's will and the pure goodness of the Surfer's spirit proves too much for Mephisto to handle.
  • Helps save Puppet Master's soul from the clutches of Mephisto and guides him back to life.
  • Reed Richards, maddened by the Soul Gem and being possessed by the Inbetweener, attempts to absorb the Surfer's soul, but the Surfer resists. Reed then absorbs the soul of his wife, Susan, but the Surfer still resists the assault.
  • The Surfer and Mephisto battle in their astral forms.

• Telepathically calms the population of a planet during world-threatening event.
• Absorbs someone's thoughts and transmutes them to produce holographic images.
• Absorbs someone's thoughts with a touch.
• Probes someone's mind with a touch.
• The Surfer places the Fantastic Four in a hypnotic trance.
• The Surfer briefly creates world peace by bathing the world in his cosmic energy.
• Can send his thoughts to others galaxies away through hyperspace.
• He phases his hand into a woman's head and rescues her mind from a "psychic abyss" trapped there by the Other, an other-dimensional cosmic being made of pure consciousness who has shown to have enough power to fight Galactus near equally.
• Fights back and destroys the mental intrusions of the Other's creations by channeling his power into his mind. The Surfer proceeds to destroy their dimension of consciousness.
• Projects an illusion that tricks an out-of-mind Galactus.
• Makes a guard forget he ever saw the Surfer.
• The Surfer frees himself of the Goddess's control over him and resists a psychic blast from Moondragon, an already very powerful telepath, whose powers were amplified greatly by the mind gem. When Moondragon used a similar attack on Prof. X, she put him in a coma.
• The Surfer takes Skaar into space and shows him a very convincing illusion that fools Skaar into thinking Galactus has come to feed on his planet.

 

[Eseseso]

Would this help in any of your Blogs? (Silver Surfer related)

• The Surfer frees himself of the Goddess's control over him and resists a psychic blast from Moondragon, an already very powerful telepath, whose powers were amplified greatly by the mind gem. When Moondragon used a similar attack on Prof. X, she put him in a coma.
• • He enters the Astral Plane, where he describes it as the source of his power.
  • Enters the Astral Plane of existence to destroy the soul of a foe.
  • Resists Mephisto's soul absorbing demons and nearly overpowers Mephisto in his own realm.
  • Mephisto absorbs the Surfer into himself, but the Surfer's will and the pure goodness of the Surfer's spirit proves too much for Mephisto to handle.
  • Helps save Puppet Master's soul from the clutches of Mephisto and guides him back to life.
  • Reed Richards, maddened by the Soul Gem and being possessed by the Inbetweener, attempts to absorb the Surfer's soul, but the Surfer resists. Reed then absorbs the soul of his wife, Susan, but the Surfer still resists the assault.
  • The Surfer and Mephisto battle in their astral forms.

• Telepathically calms the population of a planet during world-threatening event.
• Absorbs someone's thoughts and transmutes them to produce holographic images.
• Absorbs someone's thoughts with a touch.
• Probes someone's mind with a touch.
• The Surfer places the Fantastic Four in a hypnotic trance.
• The Surfer briefly creates world peace by bathing the world in his cosmic energy.
• Can send his thoughts to others galaxies away through hyperspace.
• He phases his hand into a woman's head and rescues her mind from a "psychic abyss" trapped there by the Other, an other-dimensional cosmic being made of pure consciousness who has shown to have enough power to fight Galactus near equally.
• Fights back and destroys the mental intrusions of the Other's creations by channeling his power into his mind. The Surfer proceeds to destroy their dimension of consciousness.
• Projects an illusion that tricks an out-of-mind Galactus.
• Makes a guard forget he ever saw the Surfer.
• The Surfer frees himself of the Goddess's control over him and resists a psychic blast from Moondragon, an already very powerful telepath, whose powers were amplified greatly by the mind gem. When Moondragon used a similar attack on Prof. X, she put him in a coma.
• The Surfer takes Skaar into space and shows him a very convincing illusion that fools Skaar into thinking Galactus has come to feed on his planet.

I am planning on revising Silver Surfer in the future (albeit not until my magic stuff is done), so yes, thank you!

 

[Excellence616]

Minor Franklin Richards Revision

Franklin Richards' current AP justifications read like this: High Hyperverse level at his full potential (The Celestials classified him as a threat. Was more powerful than Mephisto within his realm) | High Hyperverse level (Significantly more powerful than his child self. Made a well-fed...

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[Setsuna_tenma]

Spoiler: Immortal thor# 7

nice feats there. It is a recreation of the udgrad myth but more insane. The thread of the giant bag was actually the thread of eternity, thor wrestled with lady death, there is mention of ugdrad odin and ugrad loki magic more powerful than loki. Loki can sense encahntess and co changing the narrative of thor story

 

[Eseseso]

Just read G.O.D.S. #5. Turns out the Black Swans, aka the ones who served Doctor Doom and killed thousands of alternate universe versions of Molecule Man so that Doom could turn them into an Anti-Beyonders bomb, are back.

And they want to bring back the cult.

 

[Robo432343]

Molecule Man Low Godly Regeneration (Marvel Comics)

Molecule Man's profile states that he has High regeneration because he Reconstructed himself from complete[5] physical, and possibly mental destruction. This should be changed to Low Godly because he also came back from mental destruction which is as a non physical aspect of himself

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[ProfectusInfinity]

Quick question. It seems largely accepted that the Vishanti and those who scale directly to them are High 1-B, but why precisely is that?

 

[Eseseso]

Quick question. It seems largely accepted that the Vishanti and those who scale directly to them are High 1-B, but why precisely is that?

From Galactus's profile:

Agamotto being one-third of the Vishanti, who are comparable to Slorioth, a pan-dimensional entity whose totality is vast beyond what any single dimensionality could hope to contain,[42] extending over all higher dimensions, of which[43] there is[44] an[45] infinite number.[46][47]

Also, Agamotto himself matched Galactus without any issues.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Someone messes up the referenceson Wiccan's page

 

[Antvasima]

Someone messes up the referenceson Wiccan's page

I unlocked that page. Tell me here when it has been corrected.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I unlocked that page. Tell me here when it has been corrected.

Excellence616 fixed it

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. I will lock that page again then.

 

[Excellence616]

Hulk vs Broly REMATCH

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hulk_(Marvel_Comics) vs https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Broly_(Dragon_Ball_Heroes)#Base SBA Speed not equal

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[ProfectusInfinity]

Also, I copied my Marvel Magic revisions sandbox onto a new page, put that entire mess into tabbers for the sake of organization:

Magic Explanation and P&A Page (Marvel Comics)

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Thoughts? If it's still messy, it's due to me being new at using tabbers.

Oh wait, actually... I noticed you started a small section on Limbo magic. Do you think you could actually leave that to me? I've been doing heavy work on Limbo-related stuff myself (this is my main profile, then these are some of my others).

 

[Eseseso]

Oh wait, actually... I noticed you started a small section on Limbo magic. Do you think you could actually leave that to me? I've been doing heavy work on Limbo-related stuff myself (this is my main profile, then these are some of my others).

Sure! I mainly just want the soulsword stuff since its magic nullification is important for a few things.

If you want we can talk about it on discord.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Sure! I mainly just want the soulsword stuff since its magic nullification is important for a few things.

If you want we can talk about it on discord.

Sure, I'll alert you when I'm finished.

 

[Tomfer]

So... Another symbiote event? And it's a civil war-like one?

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I didn't even knew legion had a page

Let's raise Legion to god level !

Legion High 1-B Upgrade; The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe is an encyclopedic guide detailing the universe from Marvel Comics publications. According to OHOTMU A to Z Vol. 12 #2, Legion's abilities potentially include strength, speed, durability, energy projection and fight skills at...

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[ProfectusInfinity]

I didn't even knew legion had a page

Let's raise Legion to god level !

Legion High 1-B Upgrade; The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe is an encyclopedic guide detailing the universe from Marvel Comics publications. According to OHOTMU A to Z Vol. 12 #2, Legion's abilities potentially include strength, speed, durability, energy projection and fight skills at...

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This was long overdue, I had to replace Legion’s profile image just a couple days ago since it was just so bad.

 

[Eseseso]

Since Loki's current P&A section...sucks, to be honest, is there any way we can replace his current P&A with this masterpiece:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...ect_Loki,_the_God_of_Mischief_(Marvel_Comics)

Even without scans (though it gives references for all its justifications), it's light years ahead of his current P&A section.

 

[Tomfer]

Since Loki's current P&A section...sucks, to be honest, is there any way we can replace his current P&A with this masterpiece:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Graf_Thorsdottir/Respect_Loki,_the_God_of_Mischief_(Marvel_Comics).

Even without scans (though it gives references for all its justifications), it's light years ahead of his current P&A section.

It says that this blog post does not exist.

 

[Eseseso]

It says that this blog post does not exist.

Try it now.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Since Loki's current P&A section...sucks, to be honest, is there any way we can replace his current P&A with this masterpiece:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...ect_Loki,_the_God_of_Mischief_(Marvel_Comics)

Even without scans (though it gives references for all its justifications), it's light years ahead of his current P&A section.

It's beautiful...

On a side note, does anyone think Dr. Strange could be upgraded to Extraordinary Genius Intelligence?

At least Genius (The most powerful sorcerer in his universe, fought for thousands of years in a magical war, created his own forms of magic and mastered nearly every single one of its forms present across existence. The leading authority on magic and mystical related subjects, highly skilled in hand-to-hand combat, and possesses a vast amount of experience regarding nearly every conceivable type of foe)

Extraordinary Genius: Individuals whose knowledge spreads over multiple fields of science and who vastly surpass the real world's upper human limits. At this level, many are capable of creating extremely advanced futuristic technology, executing complex strategies even under high pressure, outperforming supercomputers,[1] and even accurately predicting the future through sheer mental calculations. This is where super scientists of exceptional scientific knowledge begin to appear.

• Examples: Kisuke Urahara and Sosuke Aizen (Bleach), Batman (DC Comics), Bulma, Doctor Gero, and Android 21 (Dragon Ball), Stewie Griffin (Family Guy), Dexter (Dexter's Laboratory), Spider-Man, Bruce Banner, and Iron Man (Marvel Comics), Dust of Osiris (Melty Blood), Accelerator (To Aru Majutsu No Index), Ozymandias (Watchmen)

If Bruce Banner and Spider-Man are examples of extraordinary geniuses, Dr. Strange should definitely be one too.

 

[Excellence616]

I
On a side note, does anyone think Dr. Strange could be upgraded to Extraordinary Genius Intelligence?


If Bruce Banner and Spider-Man are examples of extraordinary geniuses, Dr. Strange should definitely be one too.

Yeah

 

[Tomfer]

On a side note, does anyone think Dr. Strange could be upgraded to Extraordinary Genius Intelligence?

Honestly, I agree.

 

[Tomfer]

New villains for the upcoming new event Blood Hunt.

 

[Arcker123]

Arcker123/Sandbox5

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Can I get some community opinions here?

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Arcker123/Sandbox5

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Can I get some community opinions here?

The AP justifications look fine from a glance, disagree with the durability justifications though.

 

[Arcker123]

Hmmm, what specifically do you disagree with?

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Hmmm, what specifically do you disagree with?

(Godkiller and Grasscutter can survive clashing with each other, and thus can survive the force generated by their attacks, although they did eventually break)

I don't think the wiki accept's Newton's Third Law as the default assumption for scaling durability.

 

[Arcker123]

I don't think the wiki accept's Newton's Third Law as the default assumption for scaling durability.

That's not specifically the argument being made there.

What i'm arguing there are that the swords, due to being able to clash with one another, are able to survive and block attacks that scale to that tier (The swords can survive attacks from other swords with similar AP). That's different ftom 3rd law scaling, which argues that in virtue of being able to endure the force of one's own movement, you'd scale to your AP.

Edit: To put it simply, the 3rd law isn’t what gives them that tier, their ability to clash with similar ap weapons does.

 

[Excellence616]

Arcker123/Sandbox5

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Can I get some community opinions here?

Neat.. nice work

 

[Excellence616]

That's not specifically the argument being made there.

What i'm arguing there are that the swords, due to being able to clash with one another, are able to survive and block attacks that scale to that tier (The swords can survive attacks from other swords with similar AP). That's different ftom 3rd law scaling, which argues that in virtue of being able to endure the force of one's own movement, you'd scale to your AP.

Edit: To put it simply, the 3rd law isn’t what gives them that tier, their ability to clash with similar ap weapons does.

So the swords own durability that is?

 

[Arcker123]

So the swords own durability that is?

Yes I plan to scale that to H1B too.

I'm curious to see if this community agrees with my argument in general for H1B.

The improved Extraordinary Genius justification could also be commented on

 

[Yuhady123]

I'm fine with it