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Hax only works based on dimensionality, not tiers. Both Asriel and Bill are 3D beings with 4D stats/hax, meaning their hax will work on each other.
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The resurgence of a Demonic Dream Triangle vs a Hypergod Goat | Bill Cipher VS Asriel | 0-2-0
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Unless i missed a Crt almost sure bill haxes are in 11D level
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No. Higher Dimensions, unless they're superior to lower ones, don't grant anything.
This is why Alien X doesn't have 26D hax.
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And regardless, Bill doesn't have resistance to Info 2 anyway, so this discussion is pointless.
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ShionAH
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With no qs
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what?
ShionAH
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They dont have quality superiority
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I don't know what that mean
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Can we get back on topic
Bill doesnt have anything above 4D
Both have wincons and can use them on each other
Bill doesnt have anything above 4D
Both have wincons and can use them on each other
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It means they're not superior to lower dimensions.
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bump
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Bump
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Any way... I can't quite percive Bill wincons if anything that is trow asriel just resets untill he uses EE
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My thoughts exactly
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Bill's transmutation incaps, same with Madness Bubbles.
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Asirel can also get one shot since Bill has NPI for souls
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Asriel just LOADs though.
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dosent he need his soul to do that
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Frisk can still reload after his soul is destroyed
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To be far their soul has only been shattered and not completely destroyed.
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Still, the soul was "dead" and frisk can still revive
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How did he use SAVE and LOAD as a soulless flower then? Man not even the basics of the lore smh.
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As long asriel has determination he can come back basically
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Wait a moment, the mindscape is both soul and mind, and DT seems to rely on the latter lol.
Nvm.
Nvm.
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No, determination is a thing that can be found and injected into souls, is a third separated thing, trough the mind controls how strong It is
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That's the point. If the mind is destroyed, they can't refuse to die.
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refusing to die is somehig else, the determination will stay if asriel mind is desteoyed... also, don't bill in the mind scape is unknow? Like even dipper and mable could defeat him there
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Them we go back to the fact that asriel can reset even with his soul killed
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He can't use the DT without a mind... It's not something passive, they have to actively refuse to give up.
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Undertale souls don't contain the mind, bill destroying the soul will do nothing to asriel mind
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Bill can still hit asirel’s mind
Also can we just get to the point of discussing win cons
Also can we just get to the point of discussing win cons
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how?
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He can interact with the mindscape which the mindscape includes both the mind and the soul
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Beacuse that's how souls and mind work on gravity falls universe, but in undertale they aren't conected, and again, in the mindscape form bill isn't 2-A to the mindscape, unless You want to argue that bill and mabel also were 2-A in stanford mindscape
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Go make a CRT arguing UT should get Mid Godly resurrection instead of Low Godly then.
Plus it's called "verse equalization", UT Souls don't contain the mind, but in vs threads it's assumed Bill can also target Asriel's mind as it's still an incorporeal part of his being lol.
It just means that in his 2-A key his NPI is powered.
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