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The Real World Discussion Thread

Shouldn't composite human scale to the highest level of High 1-A+ thanks to the new power system (R>F) ? 🤔
This has been discussed for the billionth time even if the standards change. Fiction isn't a subworld that exists, otherwise we wouldn't make fiction due to ethical issues and more rogue SCP-3812s IRL (in which, prove they exist with science).

The assumption that superior to fiction=Tier 1 for real life in contexts like these doesn't make any sense. At least try and explain how this would be logically coherent first before saying ripping a comic book means something.
 
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I've been looking at the shield rules lately and I've been thinking, in the event where the shield only has blunt force durability feats, do we exclude them, or do we include them since raw power and blunt feats are more consistent?
 
I've been looking at the shield rules lately and I've been thinking, in the event where the shield only has blunt force durability feats, do we exclude them, or do we include them since raw power and blunt feats are more consistent?
I think it's better to include them (since yeah they're more common to be blunt rather than sharp lacerating/piercing attacks unless specifically designed/sharpened around edges or rims for that purpose, in which case it depends on the shapes and the sizes of the shields)
 
What currently needs to be done or evaluated here? 🙏
 
Okay, so apparently the T. Rex is now the largest animal to have ever displayed acrobatic abilities now. Neat.
 
I handled it. 🙏

 
I handled it. 🙏

Nevermind
 
It's about time I did an IRL verse revision. But I'll do bite-sized chunks at a time to prevent severe demotivation.

I'm done having the core suggestions, so I'll put the animal sections of it back in the IRL animals CRT thread soon
 
It's about time I did an IRL verse revision. But I'll do bite-sized chunks at a time to prevent severe demotivation.

I'm done having the core suggestions, so I'll put the animal sections of it back in the IRL animals CRT thread soon

It's related 😑😂

Not sure if the videos in the linked post above ^ were seen and/or accounted for so I'm reposting them here





Also, this one was NOT lifting:
In 2014, in Minnesota, Bob Renning, a 52 year old man, gripped the door frame of an on fire 2006 Chevy Trailblazer, pulling and bending the door frame in half, shattering the glass of the window. Renning helped the driver out of the burning vehicle, saving their life.





This one I'm not sure if it needs more verification though:
Tibetan oracles, such as the Nechung Kuten or Sungma Balung, are reported to display superhuman strength during possession. Eyewitnesses described the Nechung Oracle wearing an 36-or-41-kilogram (80 or 90 lb) headdress, that normally outside the trance could break his neck. The 14th Dalai Lama also stated that the oracle could barely walk with the total weight of his 32-kilogram (70 lb) outfit when not in trance.
(check the sources for this part of the Wikipedia article, and then there are other sources)





Still not sure how different helicopter weight distribution is from car weight distribution, but eh, for now probably better to focus on the non-vehicle-lifting feats
 


These... actually are wrong/outdated now welp.


It belongs to the Pioneering Spirit as the largest ship ever now.

Largest stuff in general:

(largest universal objects)

(largest structures in general)

(largest vehicles)
Please look (or ask others to look) into these (when you all have time/are free of course, hope it's not too much of an inconvenience or a burden) as well for relevant info and possible additions of entries and pages to the Real World verse:






Additionally, still hoping these are implemented:

(Sorta partial to using tabbers for subsections, like types of melee weapons and firearms, or specific lower taxonomic ranks (species, genera, families, orders, classes, and possibly phyla) of extant organisms under the kingdoms and domains that the categories are named after, or types of phenomena, but we'd still need a consensus with the rest of the Real World contributors to ensure that it's widely agreed upon)
^also sending reminders again for anyone who has time to look through and find new stuff to add to the Real World page from these Wikipedia pages and articles and stuff

And these too:


 
In 2014, in Minnesota, Bob Renning, a 52 year old man, gripped the door frame of an on fire 2006 Chevy Trailblazer, pulling and bending the door frame in half, shattering the glass of the window. Renning helped the driver out of the burning vehicle, saving their life.
Still not sure how different helicopter weight distribution is from car weight distribution, but eh, for now probably better to focus on the non-vehicle-lifting feats
On the topic of hysterical strength, Bob Renning's feat is actually quantified, albeit the heat is going to make the metal easier to bend. I just have to find it. In the meantime...

As for evaluating each vehicle lifting feat...
A lot of the helicopter's mass is lost during the crash and the fact that it's in water makes it easier to move. Let's assume and be generous here, the helicopter loses 10% of it's mass and he doesn't have to move 5% more of it. The angle is low and unknown but a lifting angle of around 10 degrees is reasonable. The weight redirected would be ((640*.85)*9.81)cos10 = 535.7354176 kg, meaning Tiny could be lifting around 104.2645824 kg of the remaining weight.

So sorta like ground friction coefficients greatly decrease the force moved, the redirection of the center of mass to another end significantly decreases the weight you're actually lifting. I can also pull up a similar example with cars, and you'd be surprised at how low the value would likely be around.
Car lifting: 1500 kg*cos10 = 1477.21163 kg lifted; 22.78837 kg likely lifted. I could raise up that angle to 20 degrees and it's still around 90.461069 kg lifted
 
Besides the no counter argument for Flashlight's appeal to tradition, how would this benefit the wiki in some way?
Yeah I'm still not sure if we can at least use tabbers
But again the pages from Wikipedia would help in both finding new entries/stuff to profile in the Real World verse page and also (for the order of magnitude pages) help with calcing real world stuff due to providing measurements and quantifications for said real world stuff
(Please, bookmark them if you haven't already, thanks)

(Also hi Dalesean, hope you're good + hope you're able to help with this stuff welp ^ 😅) (now I'm hoping I'm not overusing emojis)

On the topic of hysterical strength, Bob Renning's feat is actually quantified, albeit the heat is going to make the metal easier to bend. I just have to find it. In the meantime...
It was mentioned in the comments in the SourceFed video covering it, true, though people did note it may also have meant that Bob/Robert had some insensitivity to pain due to the acute stress response while gripping said heated car door frame
If possible, can head/neck strength and/or full body strength be calced for this feat too?

Nechung – The Retiring Devil of Tibet

Nechung Oracle in trance (By Tsem Rinpoche and Pastor Adeline) Dear friends around the world, I am honoured to have been given the privilege of presenting ...
www.tsemrinpoche.com
www.tsemrinpoche.com
^there's a video in this source, could be worth looking into for further proof/evidence if necessary, perhaps
 
If possible, can head/neck strength and/or full body strength be calced for this feat too?

^there's a video in this source, could be worth looking into for further proof/evidence if necessary, perhaps
I'm actually planning to address nonscientific stuff eventually. This is partially addressing the nonscience part, but I'll address the math part here too.

Generally, it's a good argument to say "If science doesn't confirm it, it doesn't exist." That doesn't make complete sense. Sure, we have good reason to put a lot of trust in science, but science in the first place was about exploring and explaining the unknown. If you can't point out a fundemental reason this point is wrong (aside from, ya know, AI missing stuff), then we have absolutely no reason we should study something as believable and unknown as a new species of animals, new planet, etc. Even with confirmed and logically consistent cases of the supernatural, I generally propose we give such cases as a "we don't know" type of treatment due to a lack of knowing how it works.

Let's say these events are confirmed by credible sources. As for the math, we already have calculations on the references for Common feats page for snapping necks. It's 10-A in AP. We already know neck snapping is peak human to class 1 anyways.
 
Yeah I'm still not sure if we can at least use tabbers
But again the pages from Wikipedia would help in both finding new entries/stuff to profile in the Real World verse page and also (for the order of magnitude pages) help with calcing real world stuff due to providing measurements and quantifications for said real world stuff
(Please, bookmark them if you haven't already, thanks)
If you're not sure if we should use tabbers, then there's no reason to use them.

I'll actually take a closer look at this if I have time. Though a list of useful Wikipedia links would be useful, question is, where on the page would it be useful?
 
If you're not sure if we should use tabbers, then there's no reason to use them.

I'll actually take a closer look at this if I have time. Though a list of useful Wikipedia links would be useful, question is, where on the page would it be useful?
To answer the first part, I guess we can just focus on/prioritise what we can add to the verse page for now and leave talks of reorganising/restructuring the verse page to another time.

The answer to the second part is... those linked pages themselves also have a lot of useful links about lists of potential entries to add to the Real World page (new types of armour, new weapons/types of weapons, new combat vehicles, new notable organisms to list in terms of size or lifespan or durability in terms of resilience to extreme conditions, new natural/cosmic phenomena to scale, etc etc etc)

I would suggest looking particularly for links to "list" pages that basically list stuff that could be potential additions ^

Just re-replying to the messages to show which ones I'm referring to so it's easier for peeps to find them:
^also sending reminders again for anyone who has time to look through and find new stuff to add to the Real World page from these Wikipedia pages and articles and stuff

And these too:


^ this message has replies to the prior messages containing the Wikipedia links



It's related 😑😂

Not sure if the videos in the linked post above ^ were seen and/or accounted for so I'm reposting them here




Also, sorry, but one or two last calcs for this message ^, need help scaling the feats in the videos (though honestly with breaking, after a while it's just breaking half of the stuff and then either letting that half break the other half by transferring the energy downwards or letting all the stuff fall over)

 
Also, on a side note, we may need to look through the Composite Human and Common Feats threads, I had quite a few other useful links in there too for either the Composite Human or real life stuff in my messages that would probably be better to find in one place so I'm linking the threads here to indicate which threads I've linked stuff in regarding said topics:







 
Also, sorry, but one or two last calcs for this message ^, need help scaling the feats in the videos (though honestly with breaking, after a while it's just breaking half of the stuff and then either letting that half break the other half by transferring the energy downwards or letting all the stuff fall over)
Bob Renning's feat has been measured at 509 lbf (230.9 kgf) at a high end. However, since I'm not too knowledgeable on how much heat will dampen the actual strength pulled, and it's pretty much accepted Bob wouldn't have been able to physically do this feat again, the force is somewhere in-between 80-230 kgf
Thanks for the calc, just the last two calcs left about the videos of breaking the bricks and piercing the coconuts with the finger alone

To answer the first part, I guess we can just focus on/prioritise what we can add to the verse page for now and leave talks of reorganising/restructuring the verse page to another time.

The answer to the second part is... those linked pages themselves also have a lot of useful links about lists of potential entries to add to the Real World page (new types of armour, new weapons/types of weapons, new combat vehicles, new notable organisms to list in terms of size or lifespan or durability in terms of resilience to extreme conditions, new natural/cosmic phenomena to scale, etc etc etc)

I would suggest looking particularly for links to "list" pages that basically list stuff that could be potential additions ^

Just re-replying to the messages to show which ones I'm referring to so it's easier for peeps to find them:

^ this message has replies to the prior messages containing the Wikipedia links



Also, sorry, but one or two last calcs for this message ^, need help scaling the feats in the videos (though honestly with breaking, after a while it's just breaking half of the stuff and then either letting that half break the other half by transferring the energy downwards or letting all the stuff fall over)

Also, on a side note, we may need to look through the Composite Human and Common Feats threads, I had quite a few other useful links in there too for either the Composite Human or real life stuff in my messages that would probably be better to find in one place so I'm linking the threads here to indicate which threads I've linked stuff in regarding said topics:







(the rest of the links can be dealt with when you all are free/not too busy/in your own time more or less)
 
Thanks for the calc, just the last two calcs left about the videos of breaking the bricks and piercing the coconuts with the finger alone



(the rest of the links can be dealt with when you all are free/not too busy/in your own time more or less)
After I conclude my brick evaluations, can you link me a lot of T. Rex feats worthy enough to be on the real life T. Rex profile? But not on there yet?

Please.
 
Thanks for the calc, just the last two calcs left about the videos of breaking the bricks and piercing the coconuts with the finger alone



(the rest of the links can be dealt with when you all are free/not too busy/in your own time more or less)
Breaking concrete is more of a physics trick since the blocks aren't built to withstand a quicker force without any extra compression stuff under them, and the martial artist did jump prior to striking in a well placed spot. However, it would still generate around 125-175 lbf (56.7-79.38 kgf). Judging by the video, the force was transfered down through the middle of each brick, so I'll need to multiply the median required force by 14, and we have 2100 lbf (952.56 kgf). Even if that was a foot in displacement, it would yield forces in the thousands of Joules.

It takes 220.5 lbf (100 kgf) to crack open a coconut.
 
Breaking concrete is more of a physics trick since the blocks aren't built to withstand a quicker force without any extra compression stuff under them, and the martial artist did jump prior to striking in a well placed spot. However, it would still generate around 125-175 lbf (56.7-79.38 kgf). Judging by the video, the force was transfered down through the middle of each brick, so I'll need to multiply the median required force by 14, and we have 2100 lbf (952.56 kgf). Even if that was a foot in displacement, it would yield forces in the thousands of Joules.

It takes 220.5 lbf (100 kgf) to crack open a coconut.
To be fair it depends on whether the broken stuff is spaced (with gaps between each of them) or unspaced (without gaps between each of them)

The physics trick works more with the spaced ones cause with the unspaced ones people would need to transfer the force throughout all the stuff instead of breaking through a few and then letting the force transfer through them to break the rest (though yeah in general it's easier to break stuff when there's no resistance or surfaces on the other side/end of the broken stuff)

But it's hard to find unspaced examples for harder materials like bricks (also cause then there's also videos where the speed of recording is manipulated to make it look like the person is punching faster and/or harder)
Thanks for the calc, just the last two calcs left about the videos of breaking the bricks and piercing the coconuts with the finger alone



(the rest of the links can be dealt with when you all are free/not too busy/in your own time more or less)
Thanks again for the calcs though
^Hope the links work out when adding new entries/profiles to the Real World verse page
 
Breaking concrete is more of a physics trick since the blocks aren't built to withstand a quicker force without any extra compression stuff under them, and the martial artist did jump prior to striking in a well placed spot. However, it would still generate around 125-175 lbf (56.7-79.38 kgf). Judging by the video, the force was transfered down through the middle of each brick, so I'll need to multiply the median required force by 14, and we have 2100 lbf (952.56 kgf). Even if that was a foot in displacement, it would yield forces in the thousands of Joules.

It takes 220.5 lbf (100 kgf) to crack open a coconut.
there's one more with a frickton more of bricks I could ask to calc, since the increase in number of bricks should/could mean there's more force being imparted regardless of whether there's spacing or no spacing between each brick




After I conclude my brick evaluations, can you link me a lot of T. Rex feats worthy enough to be on the real life T. Rex profile? But not on there yet?

Please.
Also I doubt there's much new stuff that can be added since most are already recorded down

Probably can use these




(description section ^)


(paleobiology section ^)
 
there's one more with a frickton more of bricks I could ask to calc, since the increase in number of bricks should/could mean there's more force being imparted regardless of whether there's spacing or no spacing between each brick





Also I doubt there's much new stuff that can be added since most are already recorded down

Probably can use these




(description section ^)


(paleobiology section ^)

Thank you for the links
 
Breaking concrete is more of a physics trick since the blocks aren't built to withstand a quicker force without any extra compression stuff under them, and the martial artist did jump prior to striking in a well placed spot. However, it would still generate around 125-175 lbf (56.7-79.38 kgf). Judging by the video, the force was transfered down through the middle of each brick, so I'll need to multiply the median required force by 14, and we have 2100 lbf (952.56 kgf). Even if that was a foot in displacement, it would yield forces in the thousands of Joules.

It takes 220.5 lbf (100 kgf) to crack open a coconut.
Yet still, it takes 364 lbf (165.1 kgf) to crush a watermelon: https://whdh.com/news/las-vegas-wom...books-by-crushing-3-watermelons-in-7-seconds/

Which is saying a lot unless you're a hippopotamus:

 
The 82 breaking concrete bricks data needs context and extra scrutiny to be added, but without additional context, it would be a bare minimum 4649.4 kgf.
 
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