The Real World Discussion Thread

[Dark_Soul20189]

I suppose there's a potential argument to be made about the wasp having a comparable problem solving feat.

Yeah, that is what I was going for, I currently do not believe they even have a chance of being that intelligent overall, but it would definitely be possible to get some feats in that area, but more importantly, is how much that strengthens their already accepted intelligence.

 

[Flashlight237]

Okay, so I came across this:



In this video, at 9:50, you can see that an elephant barely survived a train collision but smashed the train engine in the process. I don't know how many cars the train had. Our References for Common Feats page has the train thing listed in the millions or tens of millions of joules: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/References_for_Common_Feats#Getting_hit_by_a_Subway_Train

While it sure as hell won't qualify for durability under our handling of real-world stuff and may or may not qualify for durability under fictional indexing standards, I do think this helps give an idea of an elephant's limits in this regard.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I did some research to see if I could find any values or learn more about the incident. And I think I may or may not have found it.

Train hits and kills 2 wild elephants in Sri Lanka as 2 of its fuel-carrying tankers derail

Authorities in Sri Lanka say a train carrying thousands of gallons of fuel hit a herd of wild elephants in the country's northeast, killing two of the giant mammals and injuring one other as two of its tankers got derailed.

apnews.com

This news article may or may not be the correct one, but regardless it presents us with some values and knowledge that it's a relatively common issue in Sri Lanka.

While as mentioned above, I don't think it will be a durability feat, but rather a hard durability cap.


Quoting the news article if you don't wanna click on the link.


By BHARATHA MALLAWARACHI
Updated 1:57 PM GMT+1, October 19, 2024

COLOMBO, Sri Lanka (AP) — A train carrying thousands of gallons of fuel hit a herd of wild elephants in northeast Sri Lanka, killing two of the giant mammals and injuring one other as two of its tankers got derailed, authorities said.

The collision happened in the town of Minneriya — about 200 kilometers (124 miles) from the capital, Colombo — renowned for its nature park and wildlife.

The train driver told The Associated Press that the herd of nearly 20 elephants suddenly tried to cross over the railway track Friday.

“There was about 10 meters (32 feet) between us. So, we couldn’t do anything. We pressed the breaks to their maximum capacity, but there was nothing much we could do. At least four elephants were knocked down.” N.W. Jayalath said.

The train had eight tankers — five carrying diesel and another three petrol, each with a capacity of 50,000 liters (about 132,000 gallons), Jayalath said. Two of the petrol tankers got derailed, causing a significant leakage and severely damaging railway tracks and forcing authorities to suspend the train services on that line, he added.

The train compartment harboring the conductor also got derailed. The train also had two other railway personnel besides the driver. None of the four were injured.

“This is the first time I saw this kind of incident,” V.J. Jackson, a Minneriya resident, said. “We came here after hearing the honking of the train and the screaming of the elephants. We saw elephants lying everywhere and the train had derailed.”



Hasini Sarathchandra, the publicity officer of the wildlife department said the two elephants were killed on site while the injured one was treated and released back to its herd.

Minneriya National Park draws thousands of tourists each year hoping to see elephants in their wild habitats. It is part of the “elephant corridor that connects Kaudulla and Wasgamuwa National parks” which allows for elephant sightings year-round.

Though elephants are revered in the Indian Ocean island nation, they are endangered with their numbers dwindling from about 14,000 in the 19th century to 6,000 in 2011, according to the country’s first elephant census.


Elephant-train collisions have gone up in recent years in Sri Lanka, with wild elephants attempting to cross over railway tracks in search of food and water. They are increasingly vulnerable because of the loss and degradation of their natural habitat and many venture closer to human settlements in search of food. Some are killed by poachers or farmers angry over damage to their crops.

According to the government statistics, seven elephants have died this year after being knocked down by trains while 24 died in 2023.

 

[Flashlight237]

I did some research to see if I could find any values or learn more about the incident. And I think I may or may not have found it.

Train hits and kills 2 wild elephants in Sri Lanka as 2 of its fuel-carrying tankers derail

Authorities in Sri Lanka say a train carrying thousands of gallons of fuel hit a herd of wild elephants in the country's northeast, killing two of the giant mammals and injuring one other as two of its tankers got derailed.

apnews.com

This news article may or may not be the correct one, but regardless it presents us with some values and knowledge that it's a relatively common issue in Sri Lanka.

While as mentioned above, I don't think it will be a durability feat, but rather a hard durability cap.


Quoting the news article if you don't wanna click on the link.


By BHARATHA MALLAWARACHI
Updated 1:57 PM GMT+1, October 19, 2024

I checked. Assuming the tankers are loaded (5 diesel and 3 petrol for a total of 325000 kg of fuel) and assuming a speed of 5.56 m/s at most, and just the math from a train that slow was worth 5023460 joules. This is just me doing quick math on a phone calculator.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I checked. Assuming the tankers are loaded (5 diesel and 3 petrol for a total of 325000 kg of fuel) and assuming a speed of 5.56 m/s at most, and just the math from a train that slow was worth 5023460 joules. This is just me doing quick math on a phone calculator.

So a limit on High 8C? That is actually extremely good.

 

[Flashlight237]

So a limit on High 8C? That is actually extremely good.

What?????????

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

What?????????

I am shit at transferring joules too AP/Durability

But ain't 5000k joules High 8C?

There is a reason I don't do calcs for the website, I don't understand the scaling

 

[Dalesean027]

I am shit at transferring joules too AP/Durability

But ain't 5000k joules High 8C?

There is a reason I don't do calcs for the website, I don't understand the scaling

Nooo you got the wrong number 5023460 Joules = 0.001200 Tons (Wall level)

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Nooo you got the wrong number 5023460 Joules = 0.001200 Tons (Wall level)

Just realized my mistake, I looked at the wrong section...
I looked at the first option, instead of the 3rd one...

 

[Flashlight237]

Okay, so I have punch forces listed for real-world boxers here: https://www.researchgate.net/figure...-Number-of-Hits-by-Boxer-for-Six_tbl2_4744109

Oddly enough, there is no correlation between weight and punch force. Odd considering Super Featherweight/Junior Lightweight goes from 126 to 130 lbs while Heavyweight starts at 200 lbs.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

Okay, so I have punch forces listed for real-world boxers here: https://www.researchgate.net/figure...-Number-of-Hits-by-Boxer-for-Six_tbl2_4744109

Oddly enough, there is no correlation between weight and punch force. Odd considering Super Featherweight/Junior Lightweight goes from 126 to 130 lbs while Heavyweight starts at 200 lbs.

There sorta is, but it also depends on biomechanics as well
It depends on how well the fighters are transferring their mass (assuming the mass is more muscle and bone rather than fat since muscle and bone are the main driving generators and impactors so they contribute to mass and strength and durability, but fat can also contribute to mass and durability as well) and speed (their acceleration and overall velocity) into a strike or throw or grapple in general

Generally:
Heavier: more mass (hence more strength and durability) but more effort needed to reach high speed (slower acceleration and possibly slower overall speed)
Lighter: less mass (hence less strength and durability) but less effort needed to reach high speed (faster acceleration and possibly faster top speed)

However, this is assuming that the fighters are all actually properly transferring as much of their mass and generating as much speed as quickly as they can (K = 1/2 mv^2, F=ma, etc etc)
Of course, it'd differ based on the type of strike, throw or grapple being observed/measured
(Consider the difference in these techniques:
Jab
Straight/Cross
Hammerfist
Hook
Rotating Backfist
Superman Punch

Front Leg Front/Roundhouse/Side Kick
Rear Leg Front/Roundhouse/Side Kick
Rotating Kicks (Reverse Back Kick, Reverse Roundhouse, etc)
Aerial Kicks (Tornado 360/540 Kicks, etc)

Leg Throws (Ashi Waza)
Hip Throws (Koshi Waza)
Hand Throws (Te Waza)
Sacrifice Throws (Sutemi Waza)

etc etc)

 

[Flashlight237]

There sorta is, but it also depends on biomechanics as well
It depends on how well the fighters are transferring their mass (assuming the mass is more muscle and bone rather than fat since muscle and bone are the main driving generators and impactors so they contribute to mass and strength and durability, but fat can also contribute to mass and durability as well) and speed (their acceleration and overall velocity) into a strike or throw or grapple in general

Generally:
Heavier: more mass (hence more strength and durability) but more effort needed to reach high speed (slower acceleration and possibly slower overall speed)
Lighter: less mass (hence less strength and durability) but less effort needed to reach high speed (faster acceleration and possibly faster top speed)

However, this is assuming that the fighters are all actually properly transferring as much of their mass and generating as much speed as quickly as they can (K = 1/2 mv^2, F=ma, etc etc)
Of course, it'd differ based on the type of strike, throw or grapple being observed/measured
(Consider the difference in these techniques:
Jab
Straight/Cross
Hammerfist
Hook
Rotating Backfist
Superman Punch

Front Leg Front/Roundhouse/Side Kick
Rear Leg Front/Roundhouse/Side Kick
Rotating Kicks (Reverse Back Kick, Reverse Roundhouse, etc)
Aerial Kicks (Tornado 360/540 Kicks, etc)

Leg Throws (Ashi Waza)
Hip Throws (Koshi Waza)
Hand Throws (Te Waza)
Sacrifice Throws (Sutemi Waza)

etc etc)

That's the thing... The article the table itself came from said in its abstract that there's no correlation.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

That's the thing... The article the table itself came from said in its abstract that there's no correlation.

Maybe you could try looking for studies concerning MMA or other martial arts as compared to boxing alone? Might have different results.

 

[Dalesean027]

Not really our usual kinda discussion topic but however we've got our first ever independently constructed civilian aircraft to reach Supersonic flight the other day


So that's pretty neat

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Nice

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Welp
That is actually very closely similar to the current sandbox I am working on and will finish when I get the motivation to work on it

Dark Soul20189/Swe

vsbattles.fandom.com

I would love to hear your guy's current thoughts on it.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Welp
That is actually very closely similar to the current sandbox I am working on and will finish when I get the motivation to work on it

Dark Soul20189/Swe

vsbattles.fandom.com

I would love to hear your guy's current thoughts on it.

Finish like, 90% of it first. I don't wanna be that one guy that critizes a cook that they need to do an obvious next step. So-to-speak

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Finish like, 90% of it first. I don't wanna be that one guy that critizes a cook that they need to do an obvious next step. So-to-speak

No worries, I still have lots of work to do, I haven't even mentioned most of the feats and notes yet, but I do have some troubles with training specifically since it's different depending on the Military... Should I just write vary or follow the Swedish training program?

But, What I am wondering if the scans and references are enough for what I have done so far?

 

[H3110l12345I20]

No worries, I still have lots of work to do, I haven't even mentioned most of the feats and notes yet, but I do have some troubles with training specifically since it's different depending on the Military... Should I just write vary or follow the Swedish training program?

But, What I am wondering if the scans and references are enough for what I have done so far?

Look up the common editing mistakes page on the site.

References are mandatory, scans should be fair use and put where ever there needs evidence of a feat existing along side references

Also, go for the most common/ general characteristics of the vehicle.

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Perception manipulation ?

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Perception manipulation ?

Can't tell if you're being serious, but either way, it's just a video glitch. Not a nonmundane ability. Got any counters?

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Can't tell if you're being serious, but either way, it's just a video glitch. Not a nonmundane ability. Got any counters?

Yes, I was seriously asking a question.
Many peoples can move in a way that makes others peoples brain stop braining. I have also made peoples think I give them something.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Yes, I was seriously asking a question.
Many peoples can move in a way that makes others peoples brain stop braining. I have also made peoples think I give them something.

It's supposed to be an unwritten rule that an ability at the very least should be above average. Even then, this would be a matter of agility or just causing clumsiness. Specify how are their perceptions are impacted when anyone can do this?

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Even then, this would be a matter of agility or just causing clumsiness. Specify how are their perceptions are impacted when anyone can do this?

Just cause anyone can do something or it's done thanks to agility doesn't mean it isn't worth mentioning, take martial arts for reference.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Just cause anyone can do something or it's done thanks to agility doesn't mean it isn't worth mentioning, take martial arts for reference.

I've been in your position before. I've wanted something worth mentioning to be an ability and the unwritten rule was enforced be the community itself. Even if that's not the goal here, what are we trying to do with this feat?

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

Can't tell if you're being serious, but either way, it's just a video glitch. Not a nonmundane ability. Got any counters?

Actually curious, how would adding "magic" tricks like sleight of hand and whatnot (think Shin Lim, Eric Chien, other live magicians in talent shows and whatnot and in real life, etc) contribute to the abilities and powers of the Composite Human? (also, HAS it been added already?)

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Actually curious, how would adding "magic" tricks like sleight of hand and whatnot (think Shin Lim, Eric Chien, other live magicians in talent shows and whatnot and in real life, etc) contribute to the abilities and powers of the Composite Human? (also, HAS it been added already?)

AFAIK, the magic tricks are just misdirection; behind the scenes, you'll find out they use methods and your attention to make it seem like they're being magical.

For each respective magic trick, the type of method varies.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

AFAIK, the magic tricks are just misdirection; behind the scenes, you'll find out they use methods and your attention to make it seem like they're being magical.

For each respective magic trick, the type of method varies.

Yeah I'm familiar with that, though yeah the different methods have a frickton of complexity and requirement of either specialised equipment or a certain level of ability like dexterity and speed to pull them off so even when knowing the technique behind them it is quite impressive.

Still though, is it OK to add that to the Composite Human? (And has it been added already?)

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Yeah I'm familiar with that, though yeah the different methods have a frickton of complexity and requirement of either specialised equipment or a certain level of ability like dexterity and speed to pull them off so even when knowing the technique behind them it is quite impressive.

Still though, is it OK to add that to the Composite Human? (And has it been added already?)

Yes. Although my time is limited, I'll link you to the sandbox GToasty and I have been working on after setting standards for IRL composites

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

Composite Human (Real World)

The Composite Human is the hypothetical merging of every single human being who has ever existed. A concept that is often discussed within Versus Forums,[6] and sometimes fields of science and research. The Composite Human is a combination of all our strengths, skills and abilities at our peak...

joke-battles.fandom.com

Composite Human (Real World)

The Composite Human is the hypothetical merging of every single human being who has ever existed. A concept that is often discussed within Versus Forums,[6] and sometimes fields of science and research. The Composite Human is a combination of all our strengths, skills and abilities at our peak...

joke-battles.fandom.com

These... actually are wrong/outdated now welp.

List of largest machines - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It belongs to the Pioneering Spirit as the largest ship ever now.

Largest stuff in general:

List of largest cosmic structures - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

(largest universal objects)

Category:Largest things - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

(largest structures in general)

List of largest machines - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

(largest vehicles)

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Composite Human (Real World)

The Composite Human is the hypothetical merging of every single human being who has ever existed. A concept that is often discussed within Versus Forums,[6] and sometimes fields of science and research. The Composite Human is a combination of all our strengths, skills and abilities at our peak...

joke-battles.fandom.com

Composite Human (Real World)

The Composite Human is the hypothetical merging of every single human being who has ever existed. A concept that is often discussed within Versus Forums,[6] and sometimes fields of science and research. The Composite Human is a combination of all our strengths, skills and abilities at our peak...

joke-battles.fandom.com

These... actually are wrong/outdated now welp.

List of largest machines - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It belongs to the Pioneering Spirit as the largest ship ever now.

Largest stuff in general:

List of largest cosmic structures - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

(largest universal objects)

Category:Largest things - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

(largest structures in general)

List of largest machines - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

(largest vehicles)

Bookmarked.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

Bookmarked.

Please look (or ask others to look) into these (when you all have time/are free of course, hope it's not too much of an inconvenience or a burden) as well for relevant info and possible additions of entries and pages to the Real World verse:

With regard to natural/cosmic phenomena

Extremes on Earth - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

List of weather records - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

List of Solar System extremes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

List of exoplanet extremes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

List of most massive black holes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

List of most massive stars - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

List of largest stars - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

For other big and small stuff:

Order of magnitude - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Orders of magnitude (disambiguation) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Body armor - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Shields - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Lists of weapons - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Military vehicles by type - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Mecha - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Largest organisms - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Heaviest or most massive organisms - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Oldest organisms - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Extremophiles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Possibly worth considering adding as new entries/categories in the Real World verse page:

Digital organism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Artificial life - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Body armor - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Powered exoskeleton - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Hybrid Assistive Limb - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Future Soldier 2030 Initiative - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Mobile personnel shield - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

SWAT-Bot - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

List of nuclear weapons - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Biological agent - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Radiological warfare - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Lists of weapons - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

(non-nuclear, non-biological, non-radiological ^)

Military satellite - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Space weapon - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Military aircraft - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

List of fighter aircraft - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

List of bomber aircraft - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

List of attack aircraft - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

List of military vehicles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

(land vehicles ^)

Lists of ships - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Mark II (robot) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Kuratas - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Land Walker - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Largest organisms - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

List of longest-living organisms - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Extremophiles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Armour - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Weapons - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Vehicles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Organisms - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

^^ Please refresh the thread page (I edited the message a few times)
This is regarding the proposal to restructure the Real World page






^Need calculations for the armour, shooting and decapitation feats, organisms, natural and anthropogenic disasters, and WMDs (ICBMs/cruise missiles/kinetic energy weapons, etc)

Additionally, still hoping these are implemented:

yeah I'm not sure if we should stick to making individual entries/profiles/articles/pages OR grouping them together and giving the groups their own entries/profiles/articles/pages OR using tabs to group them together within the Real World verse page itself for all the Real World verses entries and content sections, but I agree with the approach for naming.

(Sorta partial to using tabbers for subsections, like types of melee weapons and firearms, or specific lower taxonomic ranks (species, genera, families, orders, classes, and possibly phyla) of extant organisms under the kingdoms and domains that the categories are named after, or types of phenomena, but we'd still need a consensus with the rest of the Real World contributors to ensure that it's widely agreed upon)

 

[H3110l12345I20]

(Sorta partial to using tabbers for subsections, like types of melee weapons and firearms, or specific lower taxonomic ranks (species, genera, families, orders, classes, and possibly phyla) of extant organisms under the kingdoms and domains that the categories are named after, or types of phenomena, but we'd still need a consensus with the rest of the Real World contributors to ensure that it's widely agreed upon)

You're intending to revamp and reorganize the IRL verse page. While there's at least some argument to Flashlight237's argument from tradition, nothing with the exception of long sections of images like firearms and extant mammals seem broken. Unless if we can come up with a name or someway to factor or counter the fact not everyone will know the non-common sense names (or even scientific names), I don't think this seems practical.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

You're intending to revamp and reorganize the IRL verse page. While there's at least some argument to Flashlight237's argument from tradition, nothing with the exception of long sections of images like firearms and extant mammals seem broken. Unless if we can come up with a name or someway to factor or counter the fact not everyone will know the non-common sense names (or even scientific names), I don't think this seems practical.

Fair enough, at least maybe firearm sorting could be the minimum for reorganisation then at least (Also, still think we need to convert spears to polearms in general welp)

In the meantime, is is OK to consider looking for potential additions of entries to the Real World by looking through the Wikipedia articles and categories/lists linked/replied to above? (Again, hoping it's not too much of a favour/task to handle/ask for, or not too much of an inconvenience and/or burden for the Real World contributors in general)

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Fair enough, at least maybe firearm sorting could be the minimum for reorganisation then at least (Also, still think we need to convert spears to polearms in general welp)

In the meantime, is is OK to consider looking for potential additions of entries to the Real World by looking through the Wikipedia articles and categories/lists linked/replied to above? (Again, hoping it's not too much of a favour/task to handle/ask for, or not too much of an inconvenience and/or burden for the Real World contributors in general)

Yes

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

New study finds T. rex has an unbeatable ability to twirl, making it a superb predator - Oklahoma State University

A new study from researchers at University of Wisconsin-La Crosse and Oklahoma State University Center for Health Sciences found that Tyrannosaurus rex — and other tyrannosaurs like it — could turn twice as fast as other carnivorous dinosaurs their size.

news.okstate.edu

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

New study finds T. rex has an unbeatable ability to twirl, making it a superb predator - Oklahoma State University

A new study from researchers at University of Wisconsin-La Crosse and Oklahoma State University Center for Health Sciences found that Tyrannosaurus rex — and other tyrannosaurs like it — could turn twice as fast as other carnivorous dinosaurs their size.

news.okstate.edu

Once again, Tyrannosaurus Rex shows why it earned that ******* name.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Once again, Tyrannosaurus Rex shows why it earned that ******* name.

Might this affect its speed in anyway?

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Might this affect its speed in anyway?

With extinct animals like dinos, your more likely to have their travel speed than combat/reaction speed. A lot of com/reaction feats IRL come from feats and it's very hard to determine such ones if they're frozen in time unless if the animal is related to one that has a defined reaction speed

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Shouldn't composite human scale to the highest level of High 1-A+ thanks to the new power system (R>F) ?