The Real World Discussion Thread

[H3110l12345I20]

10-C.

Also, is every human 10-B or is everything in reality Outerversal because we are real and above fiction?

That argument is covered on the reality fiction transcendence page. Fiction isn't a canonally below structure with people in itself in IRL in a sense. It's just bits of ideas on pixels, paper, etc. Otherwise, our world would be obliterated by now by the mary Sue's and Gary stus that transcend IRL.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Why does IRL have opponents
Brother you're literally part of the verse

 

[Crabwhale]

It's just an inside joke.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

mine was a joke too

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Who wants to see a respect thread for an Xmas based animal?

 

[Antvasima]

Why does IRL have opponents
Brother you're literally part of the verse

It probably just means that they do not like how this world is largely run politically by an absolutely corrupt, entitled, greedy, tyrannical, genocidal, and psychopathic, satanically evil oligarchy that is playing divide and conquer with the rest of us.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Wait, I just realized, the amount of combat and reaction speeds are little to none at the superhuman animal tiers.

Besides me, does anyone know where to start scaling animal combat and reaction speed at the superhuman tiers?

 

[Antvasima]

No. I do not know. My apologies.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

No. I do not know. My apologies.

I have a good idea how, and I have a sample size of 4 reliable quantifiable speed feats to scale from. It's small, but decently high and better than nothing.

There is not really too much open info on the combat or reaction speeds of animals 10-B to 9-B due to the lack of studies in that area. The ones that quantify combat/ reaction speeds have a specific motive regarding IRL practicality and/or are centered on more studiable 10-Cs.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

Holy crap, crows can speak languages!: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/tech...r&cvid=8f91ca2fb22249beb8d88b7634571680&ei=14

I have posted various intelligence feats for crows throughout the thread. Honestly animal intelligence is one of those things that slowly show their signs. It's only pretty recently that we found out that elephants are capable of giving names to members of their own kind.

Animal cognition - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Bird intelligence - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Talking bird - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

https://www.reddit.com/r/likeus/?captcha=1

Yeah there's quite a few sources here and there, it does help reinforce that we should be more ecocentric rather than anthropocentric

Ecocentrism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Deep ecology - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

Real World Page Entry Addition And Arrangement Modification Discussion Thread (ie/tldr Real World Discussion Thread)

****While you could technically use armor as a blunt force weapon. Their attack potency is optional if they don't have any notable attack attributes that stand out (spikes, being an effective blunt force weapon unlike most items in real life, etc) I decided to bold this part since the line...

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(Dale, sorry, but the entire proposal is extremely cluttered if I try to copypaste everything, I suggest just using this post link and the quoted messages within the linked post to understand what I'm talking about)

Would it still be possible to group individual animals under their genera/orders/families and give said genera/orders/families their own page...?

Individual pages can be grouped under: Aerial Vehicular Weapons, Terrestrial Vehicular Weapons, Naval Vehicular Weapons, Missile/Rocket Launchers, Grenade Launchers, Anti-Material/Sniper Rifles, DMRs/Battle/Assault Rifles, Other Rifles, Shotguns, Other Long Guns, Revolvers, PDWs/SMGs/PCCs, Semi-Auto Pistols, Other Handguns, Bows, Slingshots, Javelins, Rocks/Locks In Socks, etc which will have their own pages
Record-holding/Notable weapons' abilities can be displayed in the Powers And Stats of said pages ^ (like AK-47 power and stats under DMRs/Battle/Assault Rifles page under Firearms section)

Individual pages (let's take whales as examples, Genera/Species such as the blue whale/Balaenoptera musculus, and fin whale/Balaenoptera physalus, etc) can be grouped under Orders/Familiae (such as, accordingly, Artiodactyla/Balaenopteridae respectively) which would be given their own pages, with record-holding/notable genera and species being displayed in the Powers And Stats of the new order/family page (such as the blue whale's notable abilities being noted in Powers And Stats of the Artiodactyla/Balaenopteridae page)

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

Would it still be possible to group individual animals under their genera/orders/families and give said genera/orders/families their own page...?

also could use links/articles for the stuff listed without links in the Real World page

As in the new Armour and Weapons and everything from Extinct Organisms onwards (not sure why the pictures link to articles but the names are not linked, or maybe we just only link pictures to articles instead of linking captions)

 

[Antvasima]

I am reluctant to overcomplicate our already complicated wiki category system even further.

Can you provide an easy to understand overview of exactly what you have in mind please?

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

I am reluctant to overcomplicate our already complicated wiki category system even further.

Can you provide an easy to understand overview of exactly what you have in mind please?

I'm still not sure how else to simplify, it's more or less what we covered in here:

Post in thread 'Real World Page Entry Addition And Arrangement Modification Discussion Thread (ie/tldr Real World Discussion Thread)'

Sep 7, 2024

1: Mahek proposes subcategories for each section of the IRL verse page; my opinion is that it should be more useful to categories that take up the entire screen at once (i.e. when a category gets too large much like how we treat tabbers).

2: "2: I propose to also keep this thread open as a way for members who contribute to the Real World Thread to throw in ideas for additions to the page entries for discussion" what Mahek said.

3: Should armour be included? If not, then what about shields since they can be used as weapons?

^1: Yeah pretty much, but specifically lumping...

• Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer

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[Dalesean027]

Lost notos for a while what's new

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

I'm still not sure how else to simplify, it's more or less what we covered in here:

Post in thread 'Real World Page Entry Addition And Arrangement Modification Discussion Thread (ie/tldr Real World Discussion Thread)'

Sep 7, 2024

1: Mahek proposes subcategories for each section of the IRL verse page; my opinion is that it should be more useful to categories that take up the entire screen at once (i.e. when a category gets too large much like how we treat tabbers).

2: "2: I propose to also keep this thread open as a way for members who contribute to the Real World Thread to throw in ideas for additions to the page entries for discussion" what Mahek said.

3: Should armour be included? If not, then what about shields since they can be used as weapons?

^1: Yeah pretty much, but specifically lumping...

• Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer

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also could use links/articles for the stuff listed without links in the Real World page

As in the new Armour and Weapons and everything from Extinct Organisms onwards (not sure why the pictures link to articles but the names are not linked, or maybe we just only link pictures to articles instead of linking captions)

Lost notos for a while what's new

We have a few more entries that need pages (mostly the real life armour and weapons), also not sure what to do regarding how links are done (most of the pages have the link in the picture rather than the caption name, so idk if we need to put the links in the captions for the entries that do not have captions with links, or if we just put the page links on all the pictures of the entries and delete the caption links)

Would it still be possible to group individual animals under their genera/orders/families and give said genera/orders/families their own page...?

^also still not sure how this would work if we are able to restructure the organisms in this way or if it's too much work to carry out at this point in time for everyone working on the verse

 

[H3110l12345I20]

^also still not sure how this would work if we are able to restructure the organisms in this way or if it's too much work to carry out at this point in time for everyone working on the verse

I have no clue. We do have pages for particular species, but the line really blurs for prehistoric animals since a lot of them are subcategories above the species category.

The issue behind this is keeping the line between particular species pages allowed and not allowing pages that give composite vibes... like a profile on canids, birds or animals with a very broad tier

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

I have no clue. We do have pages for particular species, but the line really blurs for prehistoric animals since a lot of them are subcategories above the species category.

The issue behind this is keeping the line between particular species pages allowed and not allowing pages that give composite vibes... like a profile on canids, birds or animals with a very broad tier

Technically with the restructuring idea it'd basically composite animal species in the same genera or higher taxonomic ranks into one page (but that was sorta what I was going for since it would cut down a lot on having so many pages, just not sure which taxonomic rank to use to composite them under) with the power and stats listing abilities of notable/record-setting species and individuals (that basically represent the most of what the taxonomic rank can do)
But yeah it's either harder or unnecessary to do with prehistoric organisms due to most of the names applying to genera rather than individual species.

(same idea for the weapons as well, grouping them under weapon types with their own pages with notable/record-setting weapons being listed in powers and stats as representing the most of what the type of weapon can do, such as the largest-caliber weapon of the weapon type)

I'm still not sure how else to simplify, it's more or less what we covered in here:

Post in thread 'Real World Page Entry Addition And Arrangement Modification Discussion Thread (ie/tldr Real World Discussion Thread)'

Sep 7, 2024

1: Mahek proposes subcategories for each section of the IRL verse page; my opinion is that it should be more useful to categories that take up the entire screen at once (i.e. when a category gets too large much like how we treat tabbers).

2: "2: I propose to also keep this thread open as a way for members who contribute to the Real World Thread to throw in ideas for additions to the page entries for discussion" what Mahek said.

3: Should armour be included? If not, then what about shields since they can be used as weapons?

^1: Yeah pretty much, but specifically lumping...

• Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer

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(For example, all the individual AK assault rifles in the AK series, FN rifles, etc into groups like DMR/Battle/Assault Rifles which will be given their own page and then mentioning what, let's say the AKM, can do in the Powers/Stats section of the DMR/Battle/Assault Rifles page).

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Technically with the restructuring idea it'd basically composite animal species in the same genera or higher taxonomic ranks into one page (but that was sorta what I was going for since it would cut down a lot on having so many pages, just not sure which taxonomic rank to use to composite them under) with the power and stats listing abilities of notable/record-setting species and individuals (that basically represent the most of what the taxonomic rank can do)
But yeah it's either harder or unnecessary to do with prehistoric organisms due to most of the names applying to genera rather than individual species.

(same idea for the weapons as well, grouping them under weapon types with their own pages with notable/record-setting weapons being listed in powers and stats as representing the most of what the type of weapon can do, such as the largest-caliber weapon of the weapon type)

Uh... did you forget the rules? Composites aren't allowed on-site. Sure, you could argue in that a specific taxonomic category exist, but we're also going to have to add stuff that would conflict with each species.

Thinking ahead, even if the reasons for why composites are banned are countered, it may result in a similar case like a horrific-looking composite life or existence profile. And as a person who's reread the previous threads on IRL composites, I doubt staff would allow such pages without regulations.

Tough hurdles. I bet Ant or staff during the composite phase that are still here will explain these problems better.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

Composites aren't allowed on-site. Sure, you could argue in that a specific taxonomic category exist, but we're also going to have to add stuff that would conflict with each species.

Thinking ahead, even if the reasons for why composites are banned are countered, it may result in a similar case like a horrific-looking composite life or existence profile. And as a person who's reread the previous threads on IRL composites, I doubt staff would allow such pages without regulations.

OK fair point about the conflicting species and possible confusion and disarray for composite genera/order pages, but I didn't know they'd count as composites, since that's the case then oof to that

(Not sure if we could merge the weapons into weapon categories though for that matter, since most infantry weapons of the same type (anti-material rifles, assault rifles, etc) are relatively within the same range of AP, barring the difference between smallest and largest weapons of said weapon types, and said largest/most powerful/fastest firing weapons of the weapon types would be the ones contributing to the powers and stats page of the weapon type pages, but eh)

 

[Flashlight237]

Uh... did you forget the rules? Composites aren't allowed on-site. Sure, you could argue in that a specific taxonomic category exist, but we're also going to have to add stuff that would conflict with each species.

Thinking ahead, even if the reasons for why composites are banned are countered, it may result in a similar case like a horrific-looking composite life or existence profile. And as a person who's reread the previous threads on IRL composites, I doubt staff would allow such pages without regulations.

I can relate to this. Back when I made real-world animal profiles, I tried to stick with species or a genus at most. As an example, the garden snail (whose profile the wiki now uses as a reference for having something appear frozen in time) was a profile I made and back then, the only things I put in were things I knew for sure belonged to the garden snail itself.

At the same time, with weapons, the profiles for the Bow and the BB Gun were more like "general overview" type profiles.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

I can relate to this. Back when I made real-world animal profiles, I tried to stick with species or a genus at most. As an example, the garden snail (whose profile the wiki now uses as a reference for having something appear frozen in time) was a profile I made and back then, the only things I put in were things I knew for sure belonged to the garden snail itself.

At the same time, with weapons, the profiles for the Bow and the BB Gun were more like "general overview" type profiles.

Do the unwritten rules addled cover this, or do we have to make the rule of sticking to a genus/ species at most more explicit?

 

[Flashlight237]

Do the unwritten rules addled cover this, or do we have to make the rule of sticking to a genus/ species at most more explicit?

I always thought it was an unwritten rule since I started digging in. I haven't seen JohnGujira break it either.

 

[Antvasima]

@H3110l12345I20

What do you think that we currently need to do here?

 

[H3110l12345I20]

@H3110l12345I20

What do you think that we currently need to do here?

I presumr you came here for the changes before they're in a CRT.

I'll copy paste and link the most relevant ones.

"1: Mahek proposes subcategories for each section of the IRL verse page; my opinion is that it should be more useful to categories that take up the entire screen at once (i.e. when a category gets too large much like how we treat tabbers)." And his other proposed changes back on the CRT with shields.

Flashlight's posts on new animal discoveries (will specify later)

That's as far as I can remember here, the rest of the nondirectly stated changes are going into a CRT for a New Years' special. I'll be focusing on Mahek's main deal here for categories.

In short: I've had the same idea regarding the mammals section. However, the subcategories should only be applied if the current category's pages takes up the entire page at a single, nonscolled viewing for thr average user.

 

[Antvasima]

I presumr you came here for the changes before they're in a CRT.

I'll copy paste and link the most relevant ones.

"1: Mahek proposes subcategories for each section of the IRL verse page; my opinion is that it should be more useful to categories that take up the entire screen at once (i.e. when a category gets too large much like how we treat tabbers)." And his other proposed changes back on the CRT with shields.

I do not think that I understand properly. Please elaborate and be more specific.

Flashlight's posts on new animal discoveries (will specify later)

Okay.

That's as far as I can remember here, the rest of the nondirectly stated changes are going into a CRT for a New Years' special. I'll be focusing on Mahek's main deal here for categories.

In short: I've had the same idea regarding the mammals section. However, the subcategories should only be applied if the current category's pages takes up the entire page at a single, nonscolled viewing for thr average user.

Okay. Thank you for your reply.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

I do not think that I understand properly. Please elaborate and be more specific.

I'll reread the thread if there are anymore changes to consider. You must have mountains of threads to go through in a short time of your day.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

In the meantime, a respect thread christmas special is coming this December 24, at 10 AM PDT!

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Judging by this reply here vvv

6. Extinct Organisms

7. Extant Organisms

6.1.1 (under 6.1 Precambrian)/6.2.1 (under 6.2 Paleozoic)/6.3.1 (under 6.3 Mesozoic)/6.4.1 (under 6.4 Cenozoic) Eukarya
6.1.2 (under 6.1 Precambrian)/6.2.2 (under 6.2 Paleozoic)/6.3.2 (under 6.3 Mesozoic)/6.4.2 (under 6.4 Cenozoic) Prokarya
OR
6.1.1-6.1.7 (under 6.1 Precambrian)/6.2.1-6.2.7 (under 6.2 Paleozoic)/6.3.1-6.3.7 (under 6.3 Mesozoic)/6.4.1-6.4.7 (under 6.4 Cenozoic) Bacteria/Archaea/Protozoa/Chromista/Plantae/Fungi/Animalia

7.1-7.5 Animals, Plants, Fungi, Bacteria, Protists 7.1 Eukarya + 7.2 Prokarya
7.1.1-7.1.6 Invertebrates, Fish, Amphibians, Reptiles, Birds, Mammals 7.1.1-7.1.7/7.2.1-7.2.7 Bacteria/Archaea/Protozoa/Chromista/Plantae/Fungi/Animalia

Phyla and Classes (such as Chordata and Mammalia respectively), on second thought, can become sections/categories under the Domains or Kingdoms (Eukarya/Prokarya and Bacteria/Archaea/Protozoa/Chromista/Plantae/Fungi/Animalia respectively)

Individual pages (let's take whales as examples, Genera/Species such as the blue whale/Balaenoptera musculus, and fin whale/Balaenoptera physalus, etc) can be grouped under Orders/Familiae (such as, accordingly, Artiodactyla/Balaenopteridae respectively) which would be given their own pages, with record-holding/notable genera and species being displayed in the Powers And Stats of the new order/family page (such as the blue whale's notable abilities being noted in Powers And Stats of the Artiodactyla/Balaenopteridae page)
(Still a bit complicated to simplify further, this is the best I can do)

It seems that Mahek is trying to (suggest to) group our animals through many means, whether it be time periods on the geologic time scale (I.e. the timeline of Earth), taxonomic classification (how scientists classify animals through names in a system of them), etc. The shields change is already implemented.

The real meat of the issue is whether such a huge change is more beneficial for the real world verse page to invest time in. Knowing what would more be convincing to staff here, I'm more sticking to a similar treatment to how we deal with stabbers regarding content (I.e., invest in tabbers+scroll boxes if a section takes way too long to read). Unless if there's a better argument to how such a change is more beneficial, I'm stuck on my position unless there's a better one.