The Real World Discussion Thread

[H3110l12345I20]

10-C.

Also, is every human 10-B or is everything in reality Outerversal because we are real and above fiction?

That argument is covered on the reality fiction transcendence page. Fiction isn't a canonally below structure with people in itself in IRL in a sense. It's just bits of ideas on pixels, paper, etc. Otherwise, our world would be obliterated by now by the mary Sue's and Gary stus that transcend IRL.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Why does IRL have opponents
Brother you're literally part of the verse

 

[Crabwhale]

It's just an inside joke.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

mine was a joke too

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Who wants to see a respect thread for an Xmas based animal?

 

[Antvasima]

Why does IRL have opponents
Brother you're literally part of the verse

It probably just means that they do not like how this world is largely run politically by an absolutely corrupt, entitled, greedy, tyrannical, genocidal, and psychopathic, satanically evil oligarchy that is playing divide and conquer with the rest of us.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Wait, I just realized, the amount of combat and reaction speeds are little to none at the superhuman animal tiers.

Besides me, does anyone know where to start scaling animal combat and reaction speed at the superhuman tiers?

 

[Antvasima]

No. I do not know. My apologies.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

No. I do not know. My apologies.

I have a good idea how, and I have a sample size of 4 reliable quantifiable speed feats to scale from. It's small, but decently high and better than nothing.

There is not really too much open info on the combat or reaction speeds of animals 10-B to 9-B due to the lack of studies in that area. The ones that quantify combat/ reaction speeds have a specific motive regarding IRL practicality and/or are centered on more studiable 10-Cs.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

Holy crap, crows can speak languages!: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/tech...r&cvid=8f91ca2fb22249beb8d88b7634571680&ei=14

I have posted various intelligence feats for crows throughout the thread. Honestly animal intelligence is one of those things that slowly show their signs. It's only pretty recently that we found out that elephants are capable of giving names to members of their own kind.

Animal cognition - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Bird intelligence - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Talking bird - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

https://www.reddit.com/r/likeus/?captcha=1

Yeah there's quite a few sources here and there, it does help reinforce that we should be more ecocentric rather than anthropocentric

Ecocentrism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Deep ecology - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

Real World Page Entry Addition And Arrangement Modification Discussion Thread (ie/tldr Real World Discussion Thread)

****While you could technically use armor as a blunt force weapon. Their attack potency is optional if they don't have any notable attack attributes that stand out (spikes, being an effective blunt force weapon unlike most items in real life, etc) I decided to bold this part since the line...

vsbattles.com

(Dale, sorry, but the entire proposal is extremely cluttered if I try to copypaste everything, I suggest just using this post link and the quoted messages within the linked post to understand what I'm talking about)

Would it still be possible to group individual animals under their genera/orders/families and give said genera/orders/families their own page...?

Individual pages can be grouped under: Aerial Vehicular Weapons, Terrestrial Vehicular Weapons, Naval Vehicular Weapons, Missile/Rocket Launchers, Grenade Launchers, Anti-Material/Sniper Rifles, DMRs/Battle/Assault Rifles, Other Rifles, Shotguns, Other Long Guns, Revolvers, PDWs/SMGs/PCCs, Semi-Auto Pistols, Other Handguns, Bows, Slingshots, Javelins, Rocks/Locks In Socks, etc which will have their own pages
Record-holding/Notable weapons' abilities can be displayed in the Powers And Stats of said pages ^ (like AK-47 power and stats under DMRs/Battle/Assault Rifles page under Firearms section)

Individual pages (let's take whales as examples, Genera/Species such as the blue whale/Balaenoptera musculus, and fin whale/Balaenoptera physalus, etc) can be grouped under Orders/Familiae (such as, accordingly, Artiodactyla/Balaenopteridae respectively) which would be given their own pages, with record-holding/notable genera and species being displayed in the Powers And Stats of the new order/family page (such as the blue whale's notable abilities being noted in Powers And Stats of the Artiodactyla/Balaenopteridae page)

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

Would it still be possible to group individual animals under their genera/orders/families and give said genera/orders/families their own page...?

also could use links/articles for the stuff listed without links in the Real World page

As in the new Armour and Weapons and everything from Extinct Organisms onwards (not sure why the pictures link to articles but the names are not linked, or maybe we just only link pictures to articles instead of linking captions)

 

[Antvasima]

I am reluctant to overcomplicate our already complicated wiki category system even further.

Can you provide an easy to understand overview of exactly what you have in mind please?

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

I am reluctant to overcomplicate our already complicated wiki category system even further.

Can you provide an easy to understand overview of exactly what you have in mind please?

I'm still not sure how else to simplify, it's more or less what we covered in here:

Post in thread 'Real World Page Entry Addition And Arrangement Modification Discussion Thread (ie/tldr Real World Discussion Thread)'

Sep 7, 2024

1: Mahek proposes subcategories for each section of the IRL verse page; my opinion is that it should be more useful to categories that take up the entire screen at once (i.e. when a category gets too large much like how we treat tabbers).

2: "2: I propose to also keep this thread open as a way for members who contribute to the Real World Thread to throw in ideas for additions to the page entries for discussion" what Mahek said.

3: Should armour be included? If not, then what about shields since they can be used as weapons?

^1: Yeah pretty much, but specifically lumping...

• Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer

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[Dalesean027]

Lost notos for a while what's new

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

I'm still not sure how else to simplify, it's more or less what we covered in here:

Post in thread 'Real World Page Entry Addition And Arrangement Modification Discussion Thread (ie/tldr Real World Discussion Thread)'

Sep 7, 2024

1: Mahek proposes subcategories for each section of the IRL verse page; my opinion is that it should be more useful to categories that take up the entire screen at once (i.e. when a category gets too large much like how we treat tabbers).

2: "2: I propose to also keep this thread open as a way for members who contribute to the Real World Thread to throw in ideas for additions to the page entries for discussion" what Mahek said.

3: Should armour be included? If not, then what about shields since they can be used as weapons?

^1: Yeah pretty much, but specifically lumping...

• Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer

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also could use links/articles for the stuff listed without links in the Real World page

As in the new Armour and Weapons and everything from Extinct Organisms onwards (not sure why the pictures link to articles but the names are not linked, or maybe we just only link pictures to articles instead of linking captions)

Lost notos for a while what's new

We have a few more entries that need pages (mostly the real life armour and weapons), also not sure what to do regarding how links are done (most of the pages have the link in the picture rather than the caption name, so idk if we need to put the links in the captions for the entries that do not have captions with links, or if we just put the page links on all the pictures of the entries and delete the caption links)

Would it still be possible to group individual animals under their genera/orders/families and give said genera/orders/families their own page...?

^also still not sure how this would work if we are able to restructure the organisms in this way or if it's too much work to carry out at this point in time for everyone working on the verse

 

[H3110l12345I20]

^also still not sure how this would work if we are able to restructure the organisms in this way or if it's too much work to carry out at this point in time for everyone working on the verse

I have no clue. We do have pages for particular species, but the line really blurs for prehistoric animals since a lot of them are subcategories above the species category.

The issue behind this is keeping the line between particular species pages allowed and not allowing pages that give composite vibes... like a profile on canids, birds or animals with a very broad tier

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

I have no clue. We do have pages for particular species, but the line really blurs for prehistoric animals since a lot of them are subcategories above the species category.

The issue behind this is keeping the line between particular species pages allowed and not allowing pages that give composite vibes... like a profile on canids, birds or animals with a very broad tier

Technically with the restructuring idea it'd basically composite animal species in the same genera or higher taxonomic ranks into one page (but that was sorta what I was going for since it would cut down a lot on having so many pages, just not sure which taxonomic rank to use to composite them under) with the power and stats listing abilities of notable/record-setting species and individuals (that basically represent the most of what the taxonomic rank can do)
But yeah it's either harder or unnecessary to do with prehistoric organisms due to most of the names applying to genera rather than individual species.

(same idea for the weapons as well, grouping them under weapon types with their own pages with notable/record-setting weapons being listed in powers and stats as representing the most of what the type of weapon can do, such as the largest-caliber weapon of the weapon type)

I'm still not sure how else to simplify, it's more or less what we covered in here:

Post in thread 'Real World Page Entry Addition And Arrangement Modification Discussion Thread (ie/tldr Real World Discussion Thread)'

Sep 7, 2024

1: Mahek proposes subcategories for each section of the IRL verse page; my opinion is that it should be more useful to categories that take up the entire screen at once (i.e. when a category gets too large much like how we treat tabbers).

2: "2: I propose to also keep this thread open as a way for members who contribute to the Real World Thread to throw in ideas for additions to the page entries for discussion" what Mahek said.

3: Should armour be included? If not, then what about shields since they can be used as weapons?

^1: Yeah pretty much, but specifically lumping...

• Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer

• 

(For example, all the individual AK assault rifles in the AK series, FN rifles, etc into groups like DMR/Battle/Assault Rifles which will be given their own page and then mentioning what, let's say the AKM, can do in the Powers/Stats section of the DMR/Battle/Assault Rifles page).

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Technically with the restructuring idea it'd basically composite animal species in the same genera or higher taxonomic ranks into one page (but that was sorta what I was going for since it would cut down a lot on having so many pages, just not sure which taxonomic rank to use to composite them under) with the power and stats listing abilities of notable/record-setting species and individuals (that basically represent the most of what the taxonomic rank can do)
But yeah it's either harder or unnecessary to do with prehistoric organisms due to most of the names applying to genera rather than individual species.

(same idea for the weapons as well, grouping them under weapon types with their own pages with notable/record-setting weapons being listed in powers and stats as representing the most of what the type of weapon can do, such as the largest-caliber weapon of the weapon type)

Uh... did you forget the rules? Composites aren't allowed on-site. Sure, you could argue in that a specific taxonomic category exist, but we're also going to have to add stuff that would conflict with each species.

Thinking ahead, even if the reasons for why composites are banned are countered, it may result in a similar case like a horrific-looking composite life or existence profile. And as a person who's reread the previous threads on IRL composites, I doubt staff would allow such pages without regulations.

Tough hurdles. I bet Ant or staff during the composite phase that are still here will explain these problems better.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

Composites aren't allowed on-site. Sure, you could argue in that a specific taxonomic category exist, but we're also going to have to add stuff that would conflict with each species.

Thinking ahead, even if the reasons for why composites are banned are countered, it may result in a similar case like a horrific-looking composite life or existence profile. And as a person who's reread the previous threads on IRL composites, I doubt staff would allow such pages without regulations.

OK fair point about the conflicting species and possible confusion and disarray for composite genera/order pages, but I didn't know they'd count as composites, since that's the case then oof to that

(Not sure if we could merge the weapons into weapon categories though for that matter, since most infantry weapons of the same type (anti-material rifles, assault rifles, etc) are relatively within the same range of AP, barring the difference between smallest and largest weapons of said weapon types, and said largest/most powerful/fastest firing weapons of the weapon types would be the ones contributing to the powers and stats page of the weapon type pages, but eh)

 

[Flashlight237]

Uh... did you forget the rules? Composites aren't allowed on-site. Sure, you could argue in that a specific taxonomic category exist, but we're also going to have to add stuff that would conflict with each species.

Thinking ahead, even if the reasons for why composites are banned are countered, it may result in a similar case like a horrific-looking composite life or existence profile. And as a person who's reread the previous threads on IRL composites, I doubt staff would allow such pages without regulations.

I can relate to this. Back when I made real-world animal profiles, I tried to stick with species or a genus at most. As an example, the garden snail (whose profile the wiki now uses as a reference for having something appear frozen in time) was a profile I made and back then, the only things I put in were things I knew for sure belonged to the garden snail itself.

At the same time, with weapons, the profiles for the Bow and the BB Gun were more like "general overview" type profiles.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

I can relate to this. Back when I made real-world animal profiles, I tried to stick with species or a genus at most. As an example, the garden snail (whose profile the wiki now uses as a reference for having something appear frozen in time) was a profile I made and back then, the only things I put in were things I knew for sure belonged to the garden snail itself.

At the same time, with weapons, the profiles for the Bow and the BB Gun were more like "general overview" type profiles.

Do the unwritten rules addled cover this, or do we have to make the rule of sticking to a genus/ species at most more explicit?

 

[Flashlight237]

Do the unwritten rules addled cover this, or do we have to make the rule of sticking to a genus/ species at most more explicit?

I always thought it was an unwritten rule since I started digging in. I haven't seen JohnGujira break it either.

 

[Antvasima]

@H3110l12345I20

What do you think that we currently need to do here?

 

[H3110l12345I20]

@H3110l12345I20

What do you think that we currently need to do here?

I presumr you came here for the changes before they're in a CRT.

I'll copy paste and link the most relevant ones.

"1: Mahek proposes subcategories for each section of the IRL verse page; my opinion is that it should be more useful to categories that take up the entire screen at once (i.e. when a category gets too large much like how we treat tabbers)." And his other proposed changes back on the CRT with shields.

Flashlight's posts on new animal discoveries (will specify later)

That's as far as I can remember here, the rest of the nondirectly stated changes are going into a CRT for a New Years' special. I'll be focusing on Mahek's main deal here for categories.

In short: I've had the same idea regarding the mammals section. However, the subcategories should only be applied if the current category's pages takes up the entire page at a single, nonscolled viewing for thr average user.

 

[Antvasima]

I presumr you came here for the changes before they're in a CRT.

I'll copy paste and link the most relevant ones.

"1: Mahek proposes subcategories for each section of the IRL verse page; my opinion is that it should be more useful to categories that take up the entire screen at once (i.e. when a category gets too large much like how we treat tabbers)." And his other proposed changes back on the CRT with shields.

I do not think that I understand properly. Please elaborate and be more specific.

Flashlight's posts on new animal discoveries (will specify later)

Okay.

That's as far as I can remember here, the rest of the nondirectly stated changes are going into a CRT for a New Years' special. I'll be focusing on Mahek's main deal here for categories.

In short: I've had the same idea regarding the mammals section. However, the subcategories should only be applied if the current category's pages takes up the entire page at a single, nonscolled viewing for thr average user.

Okay. Thank you for your reply.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

I do not think that I understand properly. Please elaborate and be more specific.

I'll reread the thread if there are anymore changes to consider. You must have mountains of threads to go through in a short time of your day.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

In the meantime, a respect thread christmas special is coming this December 24, at 10 AM PDT!

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Judging by this reply here vvv

6. Extinct Organisms

7. Extant Organisms

6.1.1 (under 6.1 Precambrian)/6.2.1 (under 6.2 Paleozoic)/6.3.1 (under 6.3 Mesozoic)/6.4.1 (under 6.4 Cenozoic) Eukarya
6.1.2 (under 6.1 Precambrian)/6.2.2 (under 6.2 Paleozoic)/6.3.2 (under 6.3 Mesozoic)/6.4.2 (under 6.4 Cenozoic) Prokarya
OR
6.1.1-6.1.7 (under 6.1 Precambrian)/6.2.1-6.2.7 (under 6.2 Paleozoic)/6.3.1-6.3.7 (under 6.3 Mesozoic)/6.4.1-6.4.7 (under 6.4 Cenozoic) Bacteria/Archaea/Protozoa/Chromista/Plantae/Fungi/Animalia

7.1-7.5 Animals, Plants, Fungi, Bacteria, Protists 7.1 Eukarya + 7.2 Prokarya
7.1.1-7.1.6 Invertebrates, Fish, Amphibians, Reptiles, Birds, Mammals 7.1.1-7.1.7/7.2.1-7.2.7 Bacteria/Archaea/Protozoa/Chromista/Plantae/Fungi/Animalia

Phyla and Classes (such as Chordata and Mammalia respectively), on second thought, can become sections/categories under the Domains or Kingdoms (Eukarya/Prokarya and Bacteria/Archaea/Protozoa/Chromista/Plantae/Fungi/Animalia respectively)

Individual pages (let's take whales as examples, Genera/Species such as the blue whale/Balaenoptera musculus, and fin whale/Balaenoptera physalus, etc) can be grouped under Orders/Familiae (such as, accordingly, Artiodactyla/Balaenopteridae respectively) which would be given their own pages, with record-holding/notable genera and species being displayed in the Powers And Stats of the new order/family page (such as the blue whale's notable abilities being noted in Powers And Stats of the Artiodactyla/Balaenopteridae page)
(Still a bit complicated to simplify further, this is the best I can do)

It seems that Mahek is trying to (suggest to) group our animals through many means, whether it be time periods on the geologic time scale (I.e. the timeline of Earth), taxonomic classification (how scientists classify animals through names in a system of them), etc. The shields change is already implemented.

The real meat of the issue is whether such a huge change is more beneficial for the real world verse page to invest time in. Knowing what would more be convincing to staff here, I'm more sticking to a similar treatment to how we deal with stabbers regarding content (I.e., invest in tabbers+scroll boxes if a section takes way too long to read). Unless if there's a better argument to how such a change is more beneficial, I'm stuck on my position unless there's a better one.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

Judging by this reply here vvv

It seems that Mahek is trying to (suggest to) group our animals through many means, whether it be time periods on the geologic time scale (I.e. the timeline of Earth), taxonomic classification (how scientists classify animals through names in a system of them), etc. The shields change is already implemented.

The real meat of the issue is whether such a huge change is more beneficial for the real world verse page to invest time in. Knowing what would more be convincing to staff here, I'm more sticking to a similar treatment to how we deal with stabbers regarding content (I.e., invest in tabbers+scroll boxes if a section takes way too long to read). Unless if there's a better argument to how such a change is more beneficial, I'm stuck on my position unless there's a better one.

Animals, weapons, etc, generally the different categories of entries...

Mostly since it seems like we're overly focusing on individual examples of them (at least particularly for weapons), trying to list them all in the Real World verse page and make pages/articles/profiles for all of them in VSBW when such lists already exist elsewhere like Wikipedia.

Which is why I'm not sure if that is preferable to grouping them into pages/articles/profiles reflecting the types (taxonomic groups) of animals or types (role and usage) of weapons or types of other entries (such as perhaps even types of natural and cosmic phenomena) in VSBW within the Real World verse page and restricting the details of individual notable/record-setting examples to the Powers And Stats sections of such grouped pages/articles/profiles.

That being said, I acknowledge that such a change in classification/categorisation of and making of pages/articles/profiles for the real-world entries is more likely than not a drastic one which would require large modifications to both the entry pages/articles/profiles and the Real World verse page itself as a whole, so I'll leave the final decision up to those with more authority and/or experience.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

Category:Armour - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Weapons - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Vehicles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Organisms - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If anyone is willing, perhaps it's possible to look through relevant categories and articles of armour, weapons, vehicles, and organisms to either list out and create pages/articles/profiles for every type of or every individual armour, weapon, vehicle and organism out in VSBW, or find the most notable/highest-tier record-setting (by VSBW Powers And Stats/Abilities standards or real-world standards) individual armour, weapon, vehicle and organism out of each type of armour, weapon, vehicle and organism.

(Just a suggestion as to extending the types of entries we have + expanding our database, depending on how we sort and add entries into the Real World verse page + how we make pages/articles/profiles for said entries)

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Category:Armour - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Weapons - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Vehicles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Organisms - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If anyone is willing, perhaps it's possible to look through relevant categories and articles of armour, weapons, vehicles, and organisms to either list out and create pages/articles/profiles for every type of or every individual armour, weapon, vehicle and organism out in VSBW, or find the most notable/highest-tier record-setting (by VSBW Powers And Stats/Abilities standards or real-world standards) individual armour, weapon, vehicle and organism out of each type of armour, weapon, vehicle and organism.

(Just a suggestion as to extending the types of entries we have + expanding our database, depending on how we sort and add entries into the Real World verse page + how we make pages/articles/profiles for said entries)

1: If you're not sure, then why is it more beneficial to begin with? If you don't know if staff could be convinced, why suggest in the first place?

2: we already have a category system on fandom. While I'm on mobile right now, you can obviously see from the top or bottom of each page that there are already categories for each page. At the very least it's better to suggest categories like "Real World "X category""

3: I don't know if staff here have similar power at Wikipedia. Off site respect threads are removed on the basis that they're out of regulation of VSBW staff, I don't see why we should use Wikipedia categories aside from other cases like citing info.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

1: If you're not sure, then why is it more beneficial to begin with? If you don't know if staff could be convinced, why suggest in the first place?

2: we already have a category system on fandom. While I'm on mobile right now, you can obviously see from the top or bottom of each page that there are already categories for each page. At the very least it's better to suggest categories like "Real World "X category""

3: I don't know if staff here have similar power at Wikipedia. Off site respect threads are removed on the basis that they're out of regulation of VSBW staff, I don't see why we should use Wikipedia categories aside from other cases like citing info.

1: I thought the proposal already was accepted, but you also did mention that for organisms it would be harder to group by taxonomy due to most of the organisms being distinct enough between species and genera to warrant their own profile (so I'm not sure if it's possible to then group the more similar organisms under common higher taxonomic ranks like family, order, etc because you also mentioned the issue of them being considered composites)

Other categories that may require restructuring would be:

Weapons by grouping into weapon role/type/usage entries (such as Sniper Rifles, Machine Guns, Mortars, etc) with individual most notable/highest-tier record-setting (by VSBW Powers And Stats/Abilities standards or real-world standards) weapon details and stats being stated in the Powers And Stats/Abilities section of the weapon role/type/usage entries
(^due to the current layout overly focusing on individual weapons or species, many of them being the same type of weapon or using the same caliber and thus being of nearly equal AP).

Natural and cosmic phenomena by grouping as per type of phenomena (such as types of natural disasters, particularly earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, instead of listing individual cases of disasters).

2 and 3: I'm not asking to incorporate the category system into VSBW, I'm asking to add entries from the Wikipedia categories and lists and articles within the Wikipedia categories to the Real World verse page.

Specifically, if we're narrowing it down:

Category:Body armor - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Shields - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Lists of weapons - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Military vehicles by type - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Mecha - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Largest organisms - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Heaviest or most massive organisms - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Oldest organisms - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Extremophiles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Possibly worth considering adding as new entries/categories in the Real World verse page:

Digital organism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Artificial life - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That being said, not everyone here has seen the proposals so while the staff (Ant, Medeus, etc) are convinced, I do not know for sure if everyone else responsible for editing the Real World verse page is OK with these proposals of restructuring the entries and having to change/move pages to fit the proposal's suggestions (like Spears to Polearms, AKM, AK-12, etc to Assault Rifles, SCAR, G3, etc to Battle Rifles, etc) and subsequently add/change links to redirect to the new updated/moved pages.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

1: I thought the proposal already was accepted, but you also did mention that for organisms it would be harder to group by taxonomy due to most of the organisms being distinct enough between species and genera to warrant their own profile (so I'm not sure if it's possible to then group the more similar organisms under common higher taxonomic ranks like family, order, etc because you also mentioned the issue of them being considered composites)

Other categories that may require restructuring would be:

Weapons by grouping into weapon role/type/usage entries (such as Sniper Rifles, Machine Guns, Mortars, etc) with individual most notable/highest-tier record-setting (by VSBW Powers And Stats/Abilities standards or real-world standards) weapon details and stats being stated in the Powers And Stats/Abilities section of the weapon role/type/usage entries
(^due to the current layout overly focusing on individual weapons or species, many of them being the same type of weapon or using the same caliber and thus being of nearly equal AP).

Natural and cosmic phenomena by grouping as per type of phenomena (such as types of natural disasters, particularly earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, instead of listing individual cases of disasters).

2 and 3: I'm not asking to incorporate the category system into VSBW, I'm asking to add entries from the Wikipedia categories and lists and articles within the Wikipedia categories to the Real World verse page.

Specifically, if we're narrowing it down:

Category:Body armor - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Shields - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Lists of weapons - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Military vehicles by type - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Mecha - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Largest organisms - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Heaviest or most massive organisms - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Oldest organisms - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Extremophiles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Possibly worth considering adding as new entries/categories in the Real World verse page:

Digital organism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Artificial life - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That being said, not everyone here has seen the proposals so while the staff (Ant, Medeus, etc) are convinced, I do not know for sure if everyone else responsible for editing the Real World verse page is OK with these proposals of restructuring the entries and having to change/move pages to fit the proposal's suggestions (like Spears to Polearms, AKM, AK-12, etc to Assault Rifles, SCAR, G3, etc to Battle Rifles, etc) and subsequently add/change links to redirect to the new updated/moved pages.

If it's restructuring the real world page and if there is no benefit to implementing these suggestions, then it seems pointless-ish. You should know the core reason why you think it's beneficial at some level since we are all at least emotionally attached to our topics in some way.

I can say the same thing for adding Wikipedia categories even if it's not implementing their system. Not to mention, wouldn't Fandom's system make this redundant if we could make categorie of a real life group?

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Question, since it's stated and implied dinosaurs can knock down trees here: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...saur-extinction-grape-wine-study/74291433007/

Wouldn't that uprgade comparable or superior dinos to an elephant to class 10 since the elephant could do the same feat

 

[Flashlight237]

Question, since it's stated and implied dinosaurs can knock down trees here: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...saur-extinction-grape-wine-study/74291433007/

Wouldn't that uprgade comparable or superior dinos to an elephant to class 10 since the elephant could do the same feat

Yeah, I think they should. I mean a good chunk of large dinosaurs have the same bulk as elephants anyway.

 

[Ti58]

i'd expect something more than Class 10 to be honest, the largest sauropods are up to about 80 tonnes (or 100-120 counting Maraapunisaurus and "Bruhathkayosaurus")

 

[Ti58]

also can we update the Allosaurus page due to this

Chimerism in specimens referred to Saurophaganax maximus reveals a new species of Allosaurus (Dinosauria, Theropoda) | Vertebrate Anatomy Morphology Palaeontology

journals.library.ualberta.ca

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

If it's restructuring the real world page and if there is no benefit to implementing these suggestions, then it seems pointless-ish. You should know the core reason why you think it's beneficial at some level since we are all at least emotionally attached to our topics in some way.

I can say the same thing for adding Wikipedia categories even if it's not implementing their system. Not to mention, wouldn't Fandom's system make this redundant if we could make categorie of a real life group?

I'm not saying we add the Wikipedia categories to VSBW, just make profiles/articles/pages in VSBW based on (via citing from) the Wikipedia articles of the stuff within the Wikipedia categories, that's what I meant by expanding the database + adding more entries.

In any case, would you be able to tell me whether it would be preferable and/or beneficial for the Real World verse and its contributors to stick to individual entries/profiles/articles/pages of organisms, armour, weapons, vehicles, etc or whether it would be preferable to group organisms, armour, weapons, vehicles, etc that have common characteristics (common taxonomical and ecological positions and roles and traits for organisms, common military roles and usages for armour, weapons, vehicles, etc) into categorical entries/profiles/articles/pages (with renamed Real World verse page content sections accordingly)?

I'm mostly asking cause:
On one hand this would mean mostly reducing clutter + summarising and classifying entries more efficiently/effectively with less pages needed for the Real World verse page itself which was what I was mostly going for with this proposal and the corresponding thread in addition to considering potential new categories or types of entries for the Real World verse page.

Thread 'Real World Page Entry Addition And Arrangement Modification Discussion Thread (ie/tldr Real World Discussion Thread)'

Jun 22, 2024

So... this is gonna be a bit daunting and probably insane coming from me due to being a relative newcomer, but I have some ideas I would like to pose regarding the arrangement and status of the Real World Entries (I'm probably gonna spend most of my time either in Content Revision regarding the Real World or in Fun And Games if not in Discord, so welp).

1: I propose a revision/alternative to the current arrangement of entries in the Real World page: instead of listing individual entries under categories (since there's probably too many individual examples of stuff we could list down such...

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But on the other hand it would mean having to both remove excess/unnecessary and combine pages together which would mean undoing quite a lot of other people's work and also would mean potentially having pages that are considered composites which as you said would be detrimental or breaking rules of VSBW.

If you want lists or articles rather than categories:

Body armor - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Powered exoskeleton - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Hybrid Assistive Limb - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Future Soldier 2030 Initiative - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Mobile personnel shield - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

SWAT-Bot - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

List of nuclear weapons - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Biological agent - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Radiological warfare - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Lists of weapons - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

(non-nuclear, non-biological, non-radiological ^)

Military satellite - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Space weapon - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Military aircraft - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

List of fighter aircraft - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

List of bomber aircraft - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

List of attack aircraft - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

List of military vehicles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

(land vehicles ^)

Lists of ships - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Mark II (robot) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Kuratas - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Land Walker - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Largest organisms - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

List of longest-living organisms - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Extremophiles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

1: I thought the proposal already was accepted, but you also did mention that for organisms it would be harder to group by taxonomy due to most of the organisms being distinct enough between species and genera to warrant their own profile (so I'm not sure if it's possible to then group the more similar organisms under common higher taxonomic ranks like family, order, etc because you also mentioned the issue of them being considered composites)

Other categories that may require restructuring would be:

Weapons by grouping into weapon role/type/usage entries (such as Sniper Rifles, Machine Guns, Mortars, etc) with individual most notable/highest-tier record-setting (by VSBW Powers And Stats/Abilities standards or real-world standards) weapon details and stats being stated in the Powers And Stats/Abilities section of the weapon role/type/usage entries
(^due to the current layout overly focusing on individual weapons or species, many of them being the same type of weapon or using the same caliber and thus being of nearly equal AP).

Natural and cosmic phenomena by grouping as per type of phenomena (such as types of natural disasters, particularly earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, instead of listing individual cases of disasters).

2 and 3: I'm not asking to incorporate the category system into VSBW, I'm asking to add entries from the Wikipedia categories and lists and articles within the Wikipedia categories to the Real World verse page.

Specifically, if we're narrowing it down:

Category:Body armor - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Shields - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Lists of weapons - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Military vehicles by type - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Mecha - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Largest organisms - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Heaviest or most massive organisms - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Oldest organisms - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Category:Extremophiles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Possibly worth considering adding as new entries/categories in the Real World verse page:

Digital organism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Artificial life - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That being said, not everyone here has seen the proposals so while the staff (Ant, Medeus, etc) are convinced, I do not know for sure if everyone else responsible for editing the Real World verse page is OK with these proposals of restructuring the entries and having to change/move pages to fit the proposal's suggestions (like Spears to Polearms, AKM, AK-12, etc to Assault Rifles, SCAR, G3, etc to Battle Rifles, etc) and subsequently add/change links to redirect to the new updated/moved pages.

^There's more articles in the categories to cite from and make VSBW Real World entries/profiles/articles/pages about though, so that's why I linked these initially