The most controversial debate continues... Son Goku vs Superman (7-20-16).

[Omegas03]

Continuation of the recent Goku vs Supes thread (https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/4134106?useskin=oasis)

Son Goku (Chou, Black arc) vs. Superman (post Crisis). Both are 4-B.

Son Goku starts in Base but can access up to Super Saiyan 3 if needed, speed is obviously equalized.


Goku: 7 (XSOULOFCINDERX, Spinoirr, Gilad Hyperstar, Migue79, White Wolf, Death Noodles, Necromercer

Supes: 20 (EmperorRorepme, Maverick Zero X, The Wright Way, ShadowWarrior1999, The Calaca, Purgy, Schnee One, Roachman40, LordUrien935, Theuser789, The real cal howard, Stalker Maggot, Oblivion of the Endless, DizzyMW3, Soupywolf5, Psychomaster35, Elizhaa, The God of Procastination, I'm Blue daba dee daba die, NotoriouSoda

Goku and Supes fans go and drink tea together: 16 (C2 of Omegon, Lord JJJ, NormalPerson87, Nitro90, DTG499, AwkguyDB, CBslayeR, CyroTheMayo, Zenkaibattery1, Mister6ame6, Eminiteable, Adem Warlock69, Dragomer, LephyrTheRevanchist, Epiccheev, UchihaSlayer96

 

[Ionliosite]

The pain can't just end, can it?

 

[Dragomer]

I still think the 'AOE from space' votes shouldn't be counted.

Also doesn't grace end in a few hours ?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Those Snipe from Space Votes definitely shouldn't count as it's really OoC.

 

[Omegas03]

I don t even remember which votes are the AoE ones but there are plenty of those so I should discard them. Grace will end in a few hours but if there are any points to be made then the debate can still continue.

 

[GyroNutz]

Tfw two goku vs superman threads suddenly appear in the recent activity

 

[Dragomer]

Tfw two goku vs superman threads suddenly appear in the recent activity

It's just the continuation thread from the first one since we reached almost 500 post on the previous one, it's not a seperated match.

 

[Schnee_One]

Superman For reasons before

 

[Omegas03]

I discounted the AoE votes and added Schnee one.

 

[GyroNutz]

It's just the continuation thread from the first one since we reached almost 500 post on the previous one, it's not a seperated match.

I'm aware

 

[AKM sama]

Change the names in the title. The most controversial debate always goes by Goku vs Superma

 

[Kirby71]

I just was going to say I was r/wooooshed

Then the thread was closed.

 

[Dragomer]

Is it still grace then ? i think for grace to start, you need a 10 votes difference ? or was it 5 ?

 

[Schnee_One]

3 vote difference

 

[The_Calaca]

3 votes.

 

[Dragomer]

3 vote difference

Yeah so still grace.

 

[Nitro90]

So what is Superman reason for winning again

 

[DTG499]

@EmporerRorepme

No decent/smart fighter would tank an attack that they have never dealt with before, period. Goku would be able to tell that something is up with his HV from the insane heat it gives off. He has never dealt with anything close to that level of heat, he would not know if he would be able to take it or not and he is not going to test it by tanking it or blocking it. Goku has never tanked anything that he didn't know for sure wasn't going to damage him. There are no scans you can show me of him testing a new type of attack by tanking or blocking it and it leading to lethal damage.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

Interesting.

 

[Schnee_One]

Why am I seeing votes removed from the OP?

 

[Dragomer]

So what is Superman reason for winning agai

Lethal hit with Heat Vision as far as i know.

I don't know why it's supposed to be more likely than Goku just using the warp kamehameha though.

 

[DTG499]

So what is Superman reason for winning again

Heat vision hax, he negate dura with heat and matter manipulation.

 

[Omegas03]

Why am I seeing votes removed from the OP?

Because they are based in a totally ooc move at the start of the thread and were debunked. I can add them again if it isn't valid tho.

 

[Schnee_One]

So what is Superman reason for winning again

Having a general advantage in versatility and such, though summing up arguments in a 500 post long thread is kinda redundant

 

[Schnee_One]

What move, and what authority had these votes removed?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Can't Goku just teleport behind Superman to hit him or something? Teleporting is in character for Goku

Also to what AP they scale? Last thread was a big mess

 

[Roachman40]

Supes FRA before

 

[Omegas03]

Superman using an Planet sized AoE heat vision right off the bat. @Schnee

 

[Dragomer]

Superman using an Planet sized. AoE heat vision right off the bat.

From space, that's the most invalid part since there is no way Superman can just instantly reach space to heat vision with speed equalized, it just doesn't make sense.

 

[Schnee_One]

That's out of character? Superman spreading his heat vision inna fight isn't at all out of character, he typically doesn't do this because Civilians are in the area but he can do this in an instant

He doesn't need to lead with it either.

If you're going to remove votes based on that, Goku's votes don't stand because him starting with a Kamehameha 4/10 (Very generous) does not justify him leading with it guaranteed

 

[AKM sama]

Heat vision hax, he negate dura with heat and matter manipulation.

He almost never uses it in combat. Just like Goku, most of his fights come down to brute strength.

 

[Omegas03]

Can't Goku just teleport behind Superman to hit him or something? Teleporting is in character for Goku

Also to what AP they scale? Last thread was a big mess

Base Goku is in the double digit KiloFoe so his SSJ would put him in the mid to High hundreds.

Supes scales to either 400 or 600 KiloFoe.

 

[Dragomer]

That's out of character? Superman spreading his heat vision inna fight isn't at all out of character, he typically doesn't do this because Civilians are in the area but he can do this in an instant
He doesn't need to lead with it either.

If you're going to remove votes based on that, Goku's votes don't stand because him starting with a Kamehameha 4/10 (Very generous) does not justify him leading with it guaranteed

No one said Goku would start with kamehameha though, his leading move according to most people on the previous threads is sensing Superman and transforming.

It's not even a question of character, Superman just can't instantly be in space when speed is equalized, it doesn't make sense.

Also those votes assumed Superman has the AP advantage and ignored Goku could counter blast with greater range.

 

[Omegas03]

That's out of character? Superman spreading his heat vision inna fight isn't at all out of character, he typically doesn't do this because Civilians are in the area but he can do this in an instant

He doesn't need to lead with it either.

If you're going to remove votes based on that, Goku's votes don't stand because him starting with a Kamehameha 4/10 (Very generous) does not justify him leading with it guaranteed

Using a really big one is ooc for Supes. Goku votes were based on AP advantage mostly and having answer for Supes attacks.

 

[Nitro90]

Anyone factor in the fact Goku could Solar flare and temporarily blind Superman which would give a better/more opening and stop the heat vision

And Goku himself has eye attacks which are invisible

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Base Goku is in the double digit KiloFoe so his SSJ would put him in the mid to High hundreds.

Supes scales to either 400 or 600 KiloFoe.

If so, then even if has 10 KiloFOE then SSJ is 400KiloFOE, and he can get even higher with SSJ2 and SSJ3.

Also, Does Superman uses the Planetary AOE Heat Vision right off the bat? Since if not Goku wins this via higher AP and skill

 

[DTG499]

He almost never uses it in combat. Just like Goku, most of his fights come down to brute strength.

Well my point is that if it just came down to who would win in a hand to hand combat fight goku would come out on top 100% of the time. Supes HV is the only way he can win.

 

[Roachman40]

Its already grace.....

 

[Omegas03]

Removing votes does seem kind of unjustified, disagreeing with an argument somebody made doesn't mean it's vote should get disregarded.

I am not sure what to do tbh. Supes' initial arguments were really ooc and idk if they should be valid votes.

 

[Dragomer]

Superman using an Planet sized. AoE heat vision right off the bat.

From space, that's the most invalid part since there is no way Superman can just instantly reach space to heat vision with speed equalized, it just doesn't make sense.

Goku in character isn't going to stop somebody who looks like they're fleeing, and with speed equalized and Superman starting to move first, the only way Goku is stopping him is with IT and he's not doing that repeatedly in character.

Name me one time Goku didn't follow an ennemy that just started flying into the sky.

Goku litteraly spam IT in the Beerus fight and catching up isn't the issue since Goku could pummel Superman with ki blast while Superman try to go in space even before using IT.

Also the 'in character' argument is valid for Superman too, he never just went to space to snipe someone as his first move.