It did, because you're leaving out contextual details.
News flash, it's not just me and you in this thread, it's not about arguing with me, it's about proving and establishing that your point is true, if your point deals with skewed info due to simplification, that's still it being skewed.
You mean me? yeah, I did add details, because they matter to the point of the thread.
Simplifying or pretending it's something it's not is so goddamn counter productive that everyone would be better off ignoring you by virtue of you butchering the mechanics.
Then you're in the wrong thread for that because this thread has that as a key topic and you making it hard for third parties to get a proper understanding of it is counter productive to everyone involved, cease if you can't be bothered to be hyper specific and precise, because it's not jojo fans you need to take into account, I know what you mean, doesn't mean others don't, if that was the case we wouldn't of had that issue earlier with telling people to read it themselves and stuff.
I think the majority of your confusion is coming from how im using the term "reset". No I am not using it as to imply that its the exact same universe, i'm using it to refer to this event. And this thread was literally made to discuss his 2-c rating, to my knowledge, not to simplify for people who don't understand the verse how MIH works.
Reading comprehension, I said some things are a facet of his Stand, I also said some things are a natural law, yet here you are trying to say all of it is natural, new flash it isn't.
Here, I'll quote myself,
"some of it is universal constants at play, which there is, no denying that of course, there is some natural laws happening, but to go "lol Pucci does nothing and it's just time accel and NOTHING else" is blatant disingenuity,"
And show the scans? You do realize the very scans
you posted are talking about MIH right? The Stand, it's ability, and the mechanics of it, it never once states that's the universe's doing lad, in fact, the very fact it's listed under how the ability works in both the manga and the guides should be evidence enough it's MIH, not some unspoken universal rule. L
Would be cool if that was an actual argument or fallacy I was doing, maybe I wasn't blunt enough, my bad, what I'm doing is calling you out on hypocritical stances.
You're saying "well it not saying pucci doesnt do it doesnt mean he does", in case you aren't self-aware of your own arguments, you realize that's literally what you're doing right? It's never actually stated half this shit is the universe's doing or a natural law, and what is a natural occurring phenomena IS stated to be such, the emergence of a new world for example? Never stated to be universal constants.
Yet you're arguing it is, funny that right? I'm basically calling you a hypocrite. Especially as seen below given you're going hard on that front, pot meet kettle. At the end of the day, it's still ED, the fact that it's connected to MIH somehow and it's under his control is reason enough.
No, I'm not advocating Pucci is 100% the direct cause, but I am advocating he has some connections to it, it's somehow connected to his ability, because that at the very least is true even if the extent is hard to tell.
That or just deductive reasoning. If we can confirm it's not a natural law, by proxy it makes it a facet of the Stand.
Now is that possible? For a few aspects sure, not all, but some.
First off, kindly piss off with your fallacial bullshit.
Secondly, maybe it didn't hit you the first four times, you realize the scan that explicitly points out the emergence of a new world is talking about
his ability, and when it speaks of natural law it points out that it is one.
But hey, I'll grab raws and get an ex-mod to even translate some of it when I'm available on PC.
Though, think for a second on what that means. And fate? No, the fate part is actually pre-ordained, but he can cut it off according to JoJoveller, and of course, change the fates of himself and others as he isn't bound to it (gee wonder why he isn't bound to fate/destiny in this new world when everyone else is
, couldnt possibly because he somehow had involvement could it?).
Or common sense, deductive reasoning, and not just being ignorant as **** and ignoring straight up critical aspects of the ability and goals of the character in question and pretending it's just some random coincidence opposed to this extremely impossible situation somehow has zero connections to the ability that initiated all this in the first place.
It's not even a probability, it's called stop pretending shit doesn't exist.
Why in the **** would I go to discord to discuss this? And especially VC?
I mean, no offense, but I wouldn't care if I never had to speak to you again, I don't even want to do this right now in general and barely have the ability to do so properly, the only reason why I even responded to you in the first place is because I kinda have to for the sake of others and
this thread, not because I actually care nor want to discuss MIH with you or anyone for that matter. I have like zero free time, having actual personal matters to attend to, I don't even have access to a PC so my ability to grab scans is limited to whatever the **** I can grab off google at the moment or whatever I already have uploaded to imgur instead of loading up and compiling albums with scans of guides, raws and the like with proper translations, breakdowns and more, but no, I'm here because I have to, so people don't get trigger happy and decide to downgrade probably the most straightforward example of Environmental Destruction I've ever seen because people think there's a bunch of unspoken rules to ED that aren't listed on the page for it for some reason.
Put simply, no, I quite frankly ain't doing shit beyond the bare minimum and it's gonna be relegated to this thread only.
When I have time to properly compile all the scans, translations and more, I'll likely do so if we still need them by then as I told AKM hours ago.
Alright this is gonna be the last time i respond since clearly your adamant on not changing my mind and this isn't really going anywhere
It did, because you're leaving out contextual details.
News flash, it's not just me and you in this thread, it's not about arguing with me, it's about proving and establishing that your point is true, if your point deals with skewed info due to simplification, that's still it being skewed.
You mean me? yeah, I did add details, because they matter to the point of the thread.
Simplifying or pretending it's something it's not is so goddamn counter productive that everyone would be better off ignoring you by virtue of you butchering the mechanics.
I've already explained twice and given explanations on how his ability specifically works, sorry but I'm not nor am i obligated to referring to his ability in a more complicated way than needed.
Reading comprehension, I said some things are a facet of his Stand, I also said some things are a natural law, yet here you are trying to say all of it is natural, new flash it isn't.
Here, I'll quote myself, "some of it is universal constants at play, which there is, no denying that of course, there is some natural laws happening, but to go "lol Pucci does nothing and it's just time accel and NOTHING else" is blatant disingenuity,"
And show the scans? You do realize the very scans you posted are talking about MIH right? The Stand, it's ability, and the mechanics of it, it never once states that's the universe's doing lad, in fact, the very fact it's listed under how the ability works in both the manga and the guides should be evidence enough it's MIH, not some unspoken
universal rule. L
Ok so unless you can quantify or prove which things pucci is doing and which things are naturally occuring, asserting Pucci is doing anything without concrete evidence is simply fallacious. And again just because its not stated that it was the universe doing that, doesn't mean it was the universe wasn't doing that, thats another argument from ignorance. And if its stated fate/the universe was created by made in heaven or in guides JUST SHOW ME, its not that hard what the hell...
Would be cool if that was an actual argument or fallacy I was doing, maybe I wasn't blunt enough, my bad, what I'm doing is calling you out on hypocritical stances.
You're saying "well it not saying pucci doesnt do it doesnt mean he does", in case you aren't self-aware of your own arguments, you realize that's literally what you're doing right? It's never actually stated half this shit is the universe's doing or a natural law, and what is a natural occurring phenomena IS stated to be such, the emergence of a new world for example? Never stated to be universal constants.
Yet you're arguing it is, funny that right? I'm basically calling you a hypocrite. Especially as seen below given you're going hard on that front, pot meet kettle. At the end of the day, it's still ED, the fact that it's connected to MIH somehow and it's under his control is reason enough.
What im trying to say is that we cannot assume Pucci is creating the universe or fate if there is nothing supporting that. If it confuses you, think of me taking the neutral stance, and you on what i think is the positive that he is creating the universe or fate. I don't believe is necessarily ED, ill just spell it out for you this time and tell you ill take a neutral stance on this, because all the scan says is the end of the universe, which doesn't necessarily indicate pucci is the one doing it, for all we know it could be something that naturally happens, not something caused by Pucci or MIH itself. And again ill ask you to show proof he set out the fate of the universe (im taking neutral again).
No, I'm not advocating Pucci is 100% the direct cause, but I am advocating he has some connections to it, it's somehow connected to his ability, because that at the very least is true even if the extent is hard to tell.
That or just deductive reasoning. If we can confirm it's not a natural law, by proxy it makes it a facet of the Stand.
Now is that possible? For a few aspects sure, not all, but some.
If you cannot identify what Pucci is doing and what is naturally occuring, asserting Pucci can do anything, unless backed up by something concrete, would be fallacious.
Well sure, maybe I'm not, but given how much you're half-assing it and leaving out key details and simplifying things by your own admission makes it kinda hard to tell. What you're saying betrays your intent basically.
If you think I'm being dishonest I don't know what to even tell you, i've shown you everything I could.
First off, kindly piss off with your fallacial bullshit.
Secondly, maybe it didn't hit you the first four times, you realize the scan that explicitly points out the emergence of a new world is talking about his ability, and when it speaks of natural law it points out that it is one.
If your argument is fallacious obviously we cannot take it to hold any sort of weight, so i'm not gonna ignore fallacious arguments you use and not call them out bro what
The scan i sent explains how the loop works, it doesn't assert everything within it is caused by pucci which is why im asking you to identify and prove pucci what pucci did (specifically create the universe/fate)
But hey, I'll grab raws and get an ex-mod to even translate some of it when I'm available on PC.
Though, think for a second on what that means. And fate? No, the fate part is actually pre-ordained, but he can cut it off according to JoJoveller, and of course, change the fates of himself and others as he isn't bound to it (gee wonder why he isn't bound to fate/destiny in this new world when everyone else is
, couldnt possibly because he somehow had involvement could it?).
Yeah ill just wait on all of that.
Or common sense, deductive reasoning, and not just being ignorant as **** and ignoring straight up critical aspects of the ability and goals of the character in question and pretending it's just some random coincidence opposed to this extremely impossible situation somehow has zero connections to the ability that initiated all this in the first place.
It's not even a probability, it's called stop pretending shit doesn't exist.
Since when was asking for proof being ignorant what?
I pointed out your reasoning was fallacious and saying its just "common sense" is another fallacious argument (appeal to common sense). And i never asserted it was a random coincidence, I'm saying that there might not be a possibility it was created naturally or by a force external to them, or literally anything else, so given all of these possibilities i asked you to prove why out of all these explanations that yours is superior.
Also I find it funny your saying its not a probability when you said it was multiple times.
No, I'm not advocating Pucci is 100% the direct cause, but I am advocating he has some connections to it, it's somehow connected to his ability, because that at the very least is true even if the extent is hard to tell.
here
No, I'm not advocating Pucci is 100% the direct cause, but I am advocating he has some connections to it, it's somehow connected to his ability, because that at the very least is true even if the extent is hard to tell.
here
Here, I'll quote myself, "some of it is universal constants at play, which there is, no denying that of course, there is some natural laws happening, but to go "lol Pucci does nothing and it's just time accel and NOTHING else" is blatant disingenuity,"
and there. Now onto the last bit.
Why in the **** would I go to discord to discuss this? And especially VC?
I mean, no offense, but I wouldn't care if I never had to speak to you again, I don't even want to do this right now in general and barely have the ability to do so properly, the only reason why I even responded to you in the first place is because I kinda have to for the sake of others and this thread, not because I actually care nor want to discuss MIH with you or anyone for that matter. I have like zero free time, having actual personal matters to attend to, I don't even have access to a PC so my ability to grab scans is limited to whatever the **** I can grab off google at the moment or whatever I already have uploaded to imgur instead of loading up and compiling albums with scans of guides, raws and the like with proper translations, breakdowns and more, but no, I'm here because I have to, so people don't get trigger happy and decide to downgrade probably the most straightforward example of Environmental Destruction I've ever seen because people think there's a bunch of unspoken rules to ED that aren't listed on the page for it for some reason.
Put simply, no, I quite frankly ain't doing shit beyond the bare minimum and it's gonna be relegated to this thread only.
When I have time to properly compile all the scans, translations and more, I'll likely do so if we still need them by then as I told AKM hours ago.
Because it would be easier to progress dialectics and come to a general consensus, which should be the point of every discussion
but ok. And no one is asking you to do anything for the sake of the thread, nor is anyone forcing you, you are only doing this quite literally cause you chose to. Anyways since you have already told me you arent willing to do it i doubt im gonna respond unless you present scans or say something I find really dumb.
Have a nice day.
