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What do you mean by "Multi Galaxy level"? Are you talking about MIH being that?that's what I kinda suggested earlier actually, with the whole multi galaxy level thing
even tho that's different
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What do you mean by "Multi Galaxy level"? Are you talking about MIH being that?that's what I kinda suggested earlier actually, with the whole multi galaxy level thing
even tho that's different
well it was kinda debunked already I think? But if made in heaven were accelerating time and nothing else then it would be accelerating preixisting matter and energy which is finite, so the environmental damage wouldn't affect the space of the actual universe so it couldn't be an actual universal feat was what I thoughtWhat do you mean by "Multi Galaxy level"? Are you talking about MIH being that?
It wasn't debunked. Also Pucci created a new universe iircwell it was kinda debunked already I think? But if made in heaven were accelerating time and nothing else then it would be accelerating preixisting matter and energy which is finite, so the environmental damage wouldn't affect the space of the actual universe so it couldn't be an actual universal feat was what I thought
I meant that I was the one who got debunkedIt wasn't debunked. Also Pucci created a new universe iirc
Ah kk. Though we need Chariot to respond here.I meant that I was the one who got debunked
chariot knows way more about this than me so yeahAh kk. Though we need Chariot to respond here.
ok thanks chariotM3X asked me to compile all the fate/destiny/gravity related info in JoJo so I'm doing that atm, I've gone through Parts 1-3, JoJonium and I'm half done 4, that's topical and kinda relevant to this and MIH as a whole, especially given gravity/fate is kinda MIH's schtick so I guess I should finish that first as it'll help out.
Secondly, I have to clarify and give context to DontTalk later, I'll do that when I hit Part 6 for the above task.
But I mean, I'm definitely in the boat of thinking it's ED (hell he's one of the examples given for ED on the page, I wouldnt be surprised if the ED page was created in part due to pucci existing in the first place) and technically speaking, Low 2-C, 3-A and High 3-A are all right, but just at different points, different facets of MIH's process and ability all hit those at various points, so I guess it depends what we're rating in particular, if not all, given they're all noteworthy, but we'll get to that when we get to it.
"varies" on his profile then
That is what I was thinking too. If it's simply about what one can destroy, then I guess you could say Pucci can destroy a universe by accelerating time.As for the question of environmental destruction or not: That depends a bit on how you read the page in question.
They alredy explained how it fitsThat is what I was thinking too. If it's simply about what one can destroy, then I guess you could say Pucci can destroy a universe by accelerating time.
But if it's about how much non-combat applicable AP one can generate, then Pucci isn't making use of any AP himself. Time hax doesn't correlate with AP (or any quantifiable AP, as the gravity aspect is unquantifiable). Pucci's case is different from a scenario where a character can cause destruction to an environment through their own AP, but they can't manage to use that AP to harm others.
I think this contention is based on how we treat ED, and whether cases like this fit. So a separate staff thread would be appropriate to clarify this.
then Pucci isn't making use of any AP himself. Time hax doesn't correlate with AP
Pucci's case is different from a scenario where a character can cause destruction to an environment through their own AP, but they can't manage to use that AP to harm others.
I already mentioned that utilizing the gravitational power of the universe is not universal. Pucci isn't universal for that reason.1. isnt just time as he directly uses gravity so "time based ability so it doesnt count" is invalid
The page mentions that it is non combat applicable AP in its definition. When you talk about AP, it's about how many joules of energy a character can release in one shot. That's what the tiering system is based on. Pucci isn't releasing any quantifiable amount of joules in his attack. I think the page was created by Dargoo and he has retired/left. His individual intent alone wouldn't matter anymore since it is about how we collectively decide to treat it. My point of contention here is not related to this thread, but to better clarify how we treat ED, so I will reserve that discussion for another appropriate thread.Rather, ED has never been about doing something under one's own AP, if that was the case we wouldn't even have the distinction in the first place, it'd simply be AP.
The page mentions that it is non combat applicable AP in its definition.
When you talk about AP, it's about how much joules of energy a character can release in one shot.
That's what the tiering system is based on.
Pucci isn't releasing any quantifiable amount of joules in his attack. I think the page was created by Dargoo and he has retired/left.
His individual intent alone wouldn't matter anymore since it is about how we collectively decide to treat it.
My point of contention here is not related to this thread, but to better clarify how we treat ED, so I will reserve that discussion for another appropriate thread.
No need to get so defensive all of a sudden. Calm down. I don't have a horse in this race. I simply think the page can use better clarification since DT also shared the same view as what I was thinking after making the thread. Currently, it can be interpreted in two ways.EDIT: Just clarifying that I don't care if we treat it either way. I'm fine with both options. But I think there is room for some clarification on the page itself.
is M3X's leg injurt getting any better?I mean, my bad, but ****, no offense to anyone but this came at a really, really, bad time. Obviously m3x, but this came just after my own personal irl issues which still aren't taken care of, and unfortunately, might never be. Having to deal with a controversial thread topic, work and taking care of someone leaves little room to work with. I'm not complaining, it's not on others to go out if their way for someone else's issues on the net but a warning so everyone could get their shit together would've been nice.