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Please read my latest comment above before agreeing. It doesn't seem like anyone here has read my arguments not to mention debunking them.
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"The Last" Hinata's AP (Downgrade) #3254616
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Please read my latest comment above before agreeing. It doesn't seem like anyone here has read my arguments not to mention debunking them.
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anything u said contradicted the movie
Hinata still can use twin air palm.that mean she still have perfect chakra control after naruto take out toneri green orb from her.so stop using that green orb make she cant control her chakra.
and about she replenished naruto's chakra cant be used as proof she have the same chakra reserves as him.
we saw Naruto still can instantly go to BSM after he used all his chakra reserves to punch toneri.that show he didnt need all his chakra reserves to used BSM.
so hinata only replenished an unknown amount of naruto's chakra.
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Don't make comments like this in the future. It doesn't add anything to the discussion and it's just rude.
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My bad.
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lmao how tf would i know u used "green orb" as a proof if i didnt read ur comment.maybe u need to reread ur comment again
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I thought I commented here but apparently not, make her “At least [her War Arc tier], likely higher” instead of Unknown.
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Please read my post explaining why she should remain low 5B, possibly 5B.
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I did. Stop assuming that everyone who agrees with the thread didn’t read your post, it’s really annoying.
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If you did read it, please explain to me what and why you still disagreed with.
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You know what's crazy, thats exactly what you guys have been doing. I gave plethora of points and debunks why you guys kept sticking on her inability to destroy the tenseigan despite explaining the reason she couldn't to y'all.
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I literally haven't argued on this thread, don't use that tone with me young man. If you think the staff on this thread aren't giving you a good evaluation, go find someone else. But you've done this Hinata thread rodeo like some 8 times already, don't expect the regulars to want to give you the time of day arguing the same points across the same thread repeated (before you ask, yes I know you didn't make this thread, not the point).
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Someone did. It was the OP.Still, no one made any relevant refutation to my argument
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No he didn't.
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I don't get why you are so worked up from my comment. "Young man" is the most unnecessary description as you don't even know my age.
Anyways, I wasn't talking to you in particular. If you read what I wrote clearly, I was generalizing. That shouldn't be too hard for a young man to understand.
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I ain't worked up, I just thought it sounded funny
relax buckoDon't respond to me and say "you guys" if you ain't talking about me, go argue for your point better, or get more staff to comment
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Sure palI ain't worked up, I just thought it sounded funny
It wasn't funny tho. You sounded mad.Again, I wasn't talking to only you
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I told Nierre when he made this post that I was going to take a short break for personal reasons and comment on his points later on which I did but nobody made any refutations to it and just agreed with Nierre's point regardless. Doesn't sound fair and logical, does it?
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Okay I'll bite
Although I feel the staffs who commented here would have seen your post and were still unconvinced
I'm doing this so we don't get another hinata upgrade thread in 3 days from now
Here I go
It wasn't based off power
it was explained that only high ranking otsutsuki clan members are allowed to see the tenseigan. Toneri even offered to show her the real thing once they get married
And before you say it, he seemed pretty surprised that hamura appeared to her
Heck, when she failed, she didn't say something like "my chakra hasn't recovered" or "my body is still numb". She directly states that she could not destroy it. Right after firing her most powerful jutsu
Leaving apart the tenseigan
Are we supposed to ignore the fact that Hinata couldn't break out of the cage toneri put her in?
He made it out of pure chakra and she was stuck there until he was defeated.
Even after she thought Naruto was defeated
Toneri was exerting most of his power against Nardo.
When you're pushing for BSM Naruto=Hinata>>Toneri
Already addressed your Chakra=AP or something statement earlier
Although I feel the staffs who commented here would have seen your post and were still unconvinced
I'm doing this so we don't get another hinata upgrade thread in 3 days from now
Here I go
This would be fine and all (it's not) if Naruto didn't hold and squash the orb without coating himself with chakra
This point is quite faulty because:
- Unlike the orb used in the marriage chamber, the one used actually knocks her out immediately
- In Konoha, she couldn't even mould chakra, evident by her not even being able to walk on the wall unaided. On the other hand, she could run and even mould chakra well enough to activate and use her most powerful jutsu
Or he simply didn't trust her enough because she just pulled a 360 on her emotions to him
It wasn't based off power
it was explained that only high ranking otsutsuki clan members are allowed to see the tenseigan. Toneri even offered to show her the real thing once they get married
How you think toneri came to this conclusion? By seeing her feats from war arc? Since he said he regularly checked up on her (aka stalker) and the last time and place hinata's power was on full display was during the war as far as we know
And before you say it, he seemed pretty surprised that hamura appeared to her
Why is this exactly?
Explained
Unfortunately, she tried and failed
Heck, when she failed, she didn't say something like "my chakra hasn't recovered" or "my body is still numb". She directly states that she could not destroy it. Right after firing her most powerful jutsu
Leaving apart the tenseigan
Are we supposed to ignore the fact that Hinata couldn't break out of the cage toneri put her in?
He made it out of pure chakra and she was stuck there until he was defeated.
Even after she thought Naruto was defeated
Toneri was exerting most of his power against Nardo.
When you're pushing for BSM Naruto=Hinata>>Toneri
Already addressed your Chakra=AP or something statement earlier
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Every single link you posted to that youtube video doesn't work. Maybe it's because of the regional difference.For some reason, I'm not permitted to watch the video.
Anyways, I checked that particular scene and indeed Naruto stopped coating himself with the orb after he brought it out. But then again, as I said earlier, this is still an argument based on anecdotal evidence because it's certain/uncertain that the orb's function already ceased working once Naruto extracted the orb from Hinata. Truthfully, I'm not sure but neither can you be due to the lack of sufficient explanations as to how Naruto was even able to pull out the orb from inside her. That's why I stated that this particular argument is null because both sides can argue for whatever without necessarily being right or wrong.
I don't know what you wanted to show since the youtube link doesn't work. But if she truly did get knocked out immediately, it doesn't matter because as I said before, the orb does multiple things and has multiple functions but the end result is always to weaken stats.
Same explanation as above. The orb's effect and speed varies. But at the end, the character would be weakened regardless.
The link doesn't work. I don't recall Toneri offering to show her where the Tenseigan was. Even if she were to pull a 360 on him, he knew quite well that she couldn't escape the castle so why would he care if she betrayed him? The worst she could have done was killing him by maybe poisoning etc. But he knows she can't escape from the castle. Toneri never stated that Hinata couldn't see the Tenseigan because she wasn't a "high ranking Otsutsuki member" I don't recall that ever happening in the movie. If you can post scans rather than video links, that would be better.
Well, since you brought up the issue of him stalking her 24/7, maybe he saw her do something that could endanger his Tenseigan because there's no other logical reason for him to refuse showing Hinata the tenseigan's location and asking his guards to keep a close watch on her so that she wouldn't get near the tenseigan. I'm simply using Occam razor.
Yes I know that. Infact, that was one of my supporting pieces of evidence for Hinata possessing Hamura's chakra because Toneri didn't know Hinata saw Hamura and after he saw her replenishing Naruto and Hinata telling him how she was able to do that, he was surprised.
Because Hinata>~base Naruto in the movie. It;s been accepted in the wiki for the longest time already.
Debunked
Her dialogue doesn't matter. It happens often in anime. For example, a character's attack could be getting absorbed by the opponent and his dialogue could be "I can't hit him!" rather than "He's absorbing my attacks!" It's not always the case, but this specific scenario could be applied here. As for her not destroying it with her twin lion fist, I believe I explained this for the 100th time already.
The orb was materialized into a cage. The durability of the cage is literally unquantifiable. Using your logic, Naruto should scale vastly below base Momoshiki because he couldn't free himself from Momishiki's shinju tree branch?
When did I ever say Hinata physically scaled to Naruto and Toneri? Like, where did I ever state that?
And I debunked everything.
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It'll take a while to change the scans
It's currently in dub so sending frames will be useless at times
It'll take a while to change the scans
It's currently in dub so sending frames will be useless at times
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Replaced the relevant links
All this means is that the orbs have varying usage depending on what the user wants it to do
Toneri has used it to:
1. Knock out Hinata and mess up her chakra moulding ability
2. Absorb chakra both with and without contact
3. A medium to puppet someone
It is very illogical of you to assume that all 3 mess up chakra moulding despite showings
Naruto squashing it is an obvious case.
Hinata showed 0 signs of being weakened after Naruto pulled it out.
Besides
Hinata at her absolute peak shown in combat was like Juubi Spawn level without outside amps.
If you're saying Toneri saw her do something here, are we now going to scale people like the Hokages to 5-B? Because they scale above her then.
Unless Toneri saw her knitting and felt she could nuke the tenseigan with a double stitch
Your interpretation boils down to this.
Toneri didn't know she had Hamura's chakra
Which going by your logic, he thought she could destroy the tenseigan with her base power.
As opposed to him simply not trusting her not to betray him and reveal the tenseigan secrets to her allies.
Which interpretation is less ludicrous?
AP? Why exactly?
Can't find the justification anywhere ig
The novel already gave enough clarity on this
Naruto was restrained and had his chakra being painfully extracted from him. Not to mention that he was probably unconscious in the initial stages
As opposed to Hinata who was just left in there
She didn't even attempt to break out
And it doesn't matter how unquantifiable it is
Your scale goes like this
Hinata=BSM Naruto>>TCM Toneri
There's literally a oneshot gap between Naruto and Toneri
Someone who is relative if not superior to Naruto (as she was perfectly fine after refilling Naruto according to you) is breaking out of the cage with ease
When the orb was used after Toneri was defeated, it was absorbing his Chakra without Naruto even touching it
All this means is that the orbs have varying usage depending on what the user wants it to do
Toneri has used it to:
1. Knock out Hinata and mess up her chakra moulding ability
2. Absorb chakra both with and without contact
3. A medium to puppet someone
It is very illogical of you to assume that all 3 mess up chakra moulding despite showings
Unfortunately, if you don't have a statement that generalizes the orbs, your claim has no ground.
Naruto squashing it is an obvious case.
Answered above.
Hinata showed 0 signs of being weakened after Naruto pulled it out.
Link is working now.
Check the link for the whole showing her the tenseigan
Besides
Hinata at her absolute peak shown in combat was like Juubi Spawn level without outside amps.
If you're saying Toneri saw her do something here, are we now going to scale people like the Hokages to 5-B? Because they scale above her then.
Unless Toneri saw her knitting and felt she could nuke the tenseigan with a double stitch
That was not the point I was driving at.
Your interpretation boils down to this.
Toneri didn't know she had Hamura's chakra
Which going by your logic, he thought she could destroy the tenseigan with her base power.
As opposed to him simply not trusting her not to betray him and reveal the tenseigan secrets to her allies.
Which interpretation is less ludicrous?
Speed? Sure
AP? Why exactly?
Can't find the justification anywhere ig
This would be fine and all (it's not) if Hinata herself didn't admit when body going numb early on in the movie
The novel already gave enough clarity on this
False equivalence
Naruto was restrained and had his chakra being painfully extracted from him. Not to mention that he was probably unconscious in the initial stages
As opposed to Hinata who was just left in there
She didn't even attempt to break out
And it doesn't matter how unquantifiable it is
Your scale goes like this
Hinata=BSM Naruto>>TCM Toneri
There's literally a oneshot gap between Naruto and Toneri
Someone who is relative if not superior to Naruto (as she was perfectly fine after refilling Naruto according to you) is breaking out of the cage with ease
Literally doesn't matter whether it was physically or Ninjutsu
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I agree with Testarossa, and the downgrade at large FRA.
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