The High 3-A (or 4-A) upgrade for Toei DBZ

[TheGodOfICE777]

Then it can’t be happening during the same time period…

All the movies have weird contradictions even the ones that don’t seem contradictory but the daizenshuu states it happens during the time vegeta died

 

[TimmyTurnero]

All the movies have weird contradictions even the ones that don’t seem contradictory but the daizenshuu states it happens during the time vegeta died

If that’s the case, the events are undefined and unexplained. Goku could be stronger here, or weaker. We don’t know what events have taken place up to this point, as this implied the Buu saga itself is taking a turn on itself.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

I think we accept that the movie versions are at least equal to their canon-counterparts, but they can also be stronger (Broly)

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I think the movie is placed between Buu kills Babidi and when Mr. Satan befriends Buu

 

[TimmyTurnero]

I think we accept that the movie versions are at least equal to their canon-counterparts, but they can also be stronger (Broly)

Then everyone should scale to Broly if that’s the case. Although Broly was stronger than them. They could still keep up with him in terms of speed and endure and survive his attacks.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

From what I can gather.

-The galaxy busting feat we previously attributed to kid buu actually belongs to fat buu as this is the version supreme kai would be referring to at the time of the flashback because kid buu didn’t come into the picture until much later in the arc.

-Fat buu should be 4-A as result.

scaling is still a clusterfuck to be honest.

From what I gather

Majin Vegeta 4-B, 4-A w Final Explosion

(Pre RoSAT) Base Gotenks 4-B, 4-A with SS1

(Post RoSAT) Base Gotenks 4-A, higher with SS1, 3-C with SS3 ( comparable to Fusion Reborn Goku)

Super Buu 3-C

Ultimate Gohan 3-C

Buutenks 3-C

SS3 Goku ( pre Vegito ) 3-C

Buuhan 2-C

Looks like SSJ3 Goku is back at 3-B

 

[Antvasima]

Someone should fix Fat Buu’s section and upgrade him from 4-B to whatever tier FB ssj3 goku is and close this crt since that’s all that was accepted

Okay. Is somebody here willing to handle that revision then, if it has been accepted?

 

[Antvasima]

Or have you all reached new conclusions here?

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Also, pretty sure most of the imgur links on Buu's page are gonna be deleted, and while I'm currently replacing em, I doubt I could finish it in a few days, so yeah

 

[Antvasima]

It is very doubtful that they will be deleted by Imgur, as they mostly seem focused on erotic and/or offensive artwork, but it definitely doesn't hurt to be careful, yes.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

bump

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

Interesting

 

[Antvasima]

What currently needs to be applied or evaluated here?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

bump

 

[Antvasima]

What currently needs to be applied or evaluated here?

 

[AguilaR202]

@Ant


This is anime / toei continuity feat

Basically this feat of Buu destroying a galaxy overtime calculated to be 4-A

Level of 4-A for god-tier Toeiverse characters

vsbattles.fandom.com

Which was originally attributed to Kid Buu previously, is now being proposed to belong to Fat Buu, as when this flashback is first shown Kaioshin would be referring to that version instead.

So far there is no staff comments on this.

the original intent of upgrading to high 3-A proposed by the OP is no longer up for discussion as infintie DB universe has been debunked

 

[Antvasima]

@Ant


This is anime / toei continuity feat

Basically this feat of Buu destroying a galaxy overtime calculated to be 4-A

Level of 4-A for god-tier Toeiverse characters

vsbattles.fandom.com

Which was originally attributed to Kid Buu previously, is now being proposed to belong to Fat Buu, as when this flashback is first shown Kaioshin would be referring to that version instead.

So far there is no staff comments on this.

the original intent of upgrading to high 3-A proposed by the OP is no longer up for discussion as infintie DB universe has been debunked

@DarkDragonMedeus @Elizhaa @Theglassman12 @SamanPatou @Flashlight237

What do you think about this?

 

[Flashlight237]

@DarkDragonMedeus @Elizhaa @Theglassman12 @SamanPatou @Flashlight237

What do you think about this?

I would point out that @KLOL506 put a proposed fix in the calc on February this year. No idea why that hadn't been checked on yet.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Hmmm, sounds like a good proposition.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

4-A feat looks solid to me.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

@DarkDragonMedeus @Elizhaa @Theglassman12 @SamanPatou @Flashlight237

What do you think about this?

Lephy and Tracer said that we could scale Buu to SSJ3 Goku from FB

Ah, then yeah, that can be applied to Buu.

@LordTracer you agree with Buu scaling to High 3-A based on Fusion Reborn Goku's feat?

Sure, that should be fine.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Lephy and Tracer said that we could scale Buu to SSJ3 Goku from FB

This got later contested.

And fat buu scaling to FR Goku doesn’t make much sense, even fat janemba is ‘the strongest ki Goku has ever felt’ and his SS3 pretty much stomped that version of janemba.
Fat Buu should be 4-A off the flashback feat which was incorrectly attributed to kid Buu originally.

And yeah, after giving it a bit more thought, sadly Fat Buu can't scale to FR Goku. So 4-A it is.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

This got later contested.


And yeah, after giving it a bit more thought, sadly Fat Buu can't scale to FR Goku. So 4-A it is.

Oh ok

 

[Elizhaa]

@DarkDragonMedeus @Elizhaa @Theglassman12 @SamanPatou @Flashlight237

What do you think about this?

4-A seems fine.

 

[KLOL506]

Thanks, but we still need calc group evaluation on my correction, I already tagged some peeps but nobody responded :')

I will try again.

@AbaddonTheDisappointment @Therefir @DemonGodMitchAubin @CloverDragon03 @Dark-Carioca @Dalesean027 This look good?

 

[KLOL506]

I would point out that @KLOL506 put a proposed fix in the calc on February this year. No idea why that hadn't been checked on yet.

Aren't you a calc member? Evaluate it, stinky

 

[Flashlight237]

 

[KLOL506]

I've been tagging people to check my calc out for over 5 months now stinky

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I've been tagging people to check my calc out for over 5 months now stinky

Would it be possible to make a calculation for the speed that Kid Buu had to travel to destroy all the planets mentioned in the manga?

 

[KLOL506]

Would it be possible to make a calculation for the speed that Kid Buu had to travel to destroy all the planets mentioned in the manga?

Nah, out of my realm of expertise.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Nah, out of my realm of expertise.

I understand

 

[Antvasima]

@Mr._Bambu @Damage3245
@DemonGodMitchAubin @Jasonsith @CloverDragon03 @M3X_2.0 @Dark-Carioca @AbaddonTheDisappointment @Dalesean027 @DemiiPowa

It seems like KLOL506 needs you to evaluate the following correction to a currently used calculation blog.

Level of 4-A for god-tier Toeiverse characters

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Antvasima]

Tell us here after you are done please.

Also, KLOL506, I placed your version into the Kepekley's old blog.

Level of 4-A for god-tier Toeiverse characters

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[CloverDragon03]

I've accepted KLOL's version of the calc

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out. We should probably use that instead then.

 

[Jaakor48]

Would it be possible to make a calculation for the speed that Kid Buu had to travel to destroy all the planets mentioned in the manga?

Only if there was a distance it at least a general description on how many different galaxies he went to, etc

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Since it was accepted by multiple staff to apply to this Fat Buu should I apply the 4-A changes?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Since it was accepted by multiple staff to apply to this Fat Buu should I apply the 4-A changes?

You should be able to now, yes.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Only if there was a distance it at least a general description on how many different galaxies he went to, etc

I understand

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

What's the current stance on Majin Buu downscaling to FB SSJ3 Goku?