The Flash VS Xeno Goku

[Hasty12345]

New 2-A, can Xenoku beat this one?

Post Crisis Flash (Barry Allen):

Xeno Goku:

Both at 2-A.

Speed equalized.

 

[manu_zarri]

3191304922401^201391 x 1.30431e+21 probabilty hax and BFR says hi. also goku should scale higher in AP

 

[Hasty12345]

3191304922401^201391 x 1.30431e+21 probabilty hax and BFR says hi. also goku should scale higher in AP

Is that a vote for Goku?

 

[manu_zarri]

Is that a vote for Goku?

probably a stomp

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

What can Barry do against passive probability manipulation?

 

[Hasty12345]

What can Barry do against passive probability manipulation?

How does his probability manip work?

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

How does his probability manip work?

He permanently reduces the probability of being hit by, or falling to hit, the opponent.

 

[Hasty12345]

He permanently reduces the probability of being hit by, or falling to hit, the oppenent.

ooft, then this is probs a stomp

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Flash is immeasurable in this key, so if Goku is winning by passives then in speed equalised match, it can't be added.

 

[Everything12]

This is how the Probability Manipulation works. The above is a Charge Impact battle that happens at the start of every fight in DBH, those two bars at the bottom move back and forth. Your goal is to have your bar end up further to the right than your opponent's is left, if you fail at that then the opponent's guards and the damage they take is reduced. The Probability Manipulation comes from either slowing down your Charge Impacts speed at which it moves back or forth or speeding up your opponents, thus affecting the likelihood of you winning and them not being able to guard.

Oh also, if the attacker has a Super move available (Kamehameha, Special Beam Cannon, Final Flash, etc) and they fail the Charge Impact then they won't use that move. Other than that I can fail a Charge Impact as an attacker or win as a defender but the damage is still dealt, it's just reduced.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Doesn't Goku have passive stamina fuckery? Or was that not added yet?

 

[manu_zarri]

Doesn't Goku have passive stamina fuckery? Or was that not added yet?

what it does?

 

[Orange]

what it does?

Passively reduces your stamina to 1, making you severely exhausted, then any attack after it will result in a stun

 

[manu_zarri]

Passively reduces your stamina to 1, making you severely exhausted, then any attack after it will result in a stun

ooh i got it, then goku stomps as said above

 

[Orange]

Maybe archie sonic wouldn't be a stomp or something like that?

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

This is how the Probability Manipulation works. The above is a Charge Impact battle that happens at the start of every fight in DBH, those two bars at the bottom move back and forth. Your goal is to have your bar end up further to the right than your opponent's is left, if you fail at that then the opponent's guards and the damage they take is reduced. The Probability Manipulation comes from either slowing down your Charge Impacts speed at which it moves back or forth or speeding up your opponents, thus affecting the likelihood of you winning and them not being able to guard.

Oh also, if the attacker has a Super move available (Kamehameha, Special Beam Cannon, Final Flash, etc) and they fail the Charge Impact then they won't use that move. Other than that I can fail a Charge Impact as an attacker or win as a defender but the damage is still dealt, it's just reduced.

Should'nt they have passive power nullification as well then?

 

[manu_zarri]

Maybe archie sonic wouldn't be a stomp or something like that?

flash vs archie sonic or xeno goku vs archie sonic? he stomps both

 

[Orange]

flash vs archie sonic or xeno goku vs archie sonic? he stomps both

Sonic vs xeno goku

 

[Orange]

Should'nt they have passive power nullification as well then?

I don't think soo? Maybe? There is a thread about xeno goku or mechikabura. The ability is explained further and you can ask questions there if you want more answers

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

Sonic vs xeno goku

Someone already made that fight and some people said that Sonic stomped due to his "Low 1-C Stamina".

 

[Rikimarox2]

I did make an Archie sonic VS Xenoku thread, but it was deemed a stomp since Sonic gets his energy and stamina from a Low 1C source.

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

I don't think soo? Maybe? There is a thread about xeno goku or mechikabura. The ability is explained further and you can ask questions there if you want more answers

Thanks, I will do that

 

[Orange]

I did make an Archie sonic VS Xenoku thread, but it was deemed a stomp since Sonic gets his energy and stamina from a Low 1C source.

Did he have irrelevant stamina?

 

[Rikimarox2]

No. Limitless as well.

 

[Orange]

Quick question, what's the difference between limitless and infinite stamina

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Stamina type has no bearing on this fight, as long as Flash is 3D , he is getting affected by the stamina stun null whatever.
Though being passive it would fall under speed equalised rules.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

I did make an Archie sonic VS Xenoku thread, but it was deemed a stomp since Sonic gets his energy and stamina from a Low 1C source.

No it doesn't work like that. I asked that on Discord on people that are even here and I've been laughed at because I mentioned Low 1-C stamina being a thing (because it isn't). Mechikabura's Overflowing Dark Energy ability just doesn't reduce stamina to 1,he doesn't have the other ability (yet)

That reminds me...

 

[Hasty12345]

This can probably be closed then.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Flash still doesn't have all the haxes tho

 

[Greenshifter]

Barry shouldn't have a 2-A end, at least not for this reason. He'll soon resist 5D fatehax, we'll probably get back to this then.

Also doesn't Goku need feats of affecting someone with near-infinite stamina? Then again I'm not sure why Barry has near-infinite stamina.

 

[Orange]

Dimensional domain works on people with infinite stamina such as the androids

Barry shouldn't have a 2-A end, at least not for this reason. He'll soon resist 5D fatehax, we'll probably get back to this then.

Also doesn't Goku need feats of affecting someone with near-infinite stamina? Then again I'm not sure why Barry has near-infinite stamina.

 

[Greenshifter]

Fair then

 

[Orange]

Okay how high is Flash in 2-A

 

[Greenshifter]

Should be baseline.

 

[Orange]

That's indeed is bad
And goku can potentially come shot with the billion number of stat increasing, decreasing, damage boost, damage reduction and plus he has probability manipulation and worse, dimensional domain

 

[Greenshifter]

dimensional domain

What does this do?

Just unequalize speed if you want a "fairer" match right now.

 

[Rikimarox2]

This is the passive that ***** your stamina.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

This is the passive that ***** your stamina.

Immeasurable speed equalised rules go brrrr....
Or as Green said, unequalise speed.

 

[manu_zarri]

another match that can't be added.. well.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Immeasurable speed equalised rules go brrrr....
Or as Green said, unequalise speed.

I'm sure most people here know that this match up won't be added.

If you unequalise speed, then Goku has no wincon.

It's a mismatch either way.