The Flash VS Xeno Goku

[Cloozuma]

DON'T DO IT!!!!
Speed Equalized will result as a stomp for Goku and Speed Unequalled will result in incon

You do know GER can null passives and speed unequal will be a stomp since GER ages Goku to death

 

[Braking]

You do know GER can null passives

where does it say that on his profile

 

[Cloozuma]

where does it say that on his profile

His speed is above baseline infinite, note 4 explains it so

 

[Braking]

His speed is above baseline infinite, note 4 explains it so

i ment where can null passives not speed. also goku resist power null

 

[Braking]

we are derailing anyways

 

[Orange]

I doubt they'd go through all the trouble and effort for one verse

They did it two times or was it just one time?
A d yes they would do it again

 

[Cloozuma]

i ment where can null passives not speed. also goku resist power null

It's explained at Note 4 where GER is superior to MIH who is able to reach baseline infinite speeds. Passives are said to be baseline infinite.

Also GER's power null is based on Causality Manip, something that Xeno Goku does not resist

 

[Braking]

It's explained at Note 4 where GER is superior to MIH who is able to reach baseline infinite speeds. Passives are said to be baseline infinite.

Also GER's power null is based on Causality Manip, something that Xeno Goku does not resist

i guess so.

 

[Ss3micah]

It's explained at Note 4 where GER is superior to MIH who is able to reach baseline infinite speeds. Passives are said to be baseline infinite.

Also GER's power null is based on Causality Manip, something that Xeno Goku does not resist

Note 3: There are canon statements that Gold Experience Requiem can reset will to zero. However, the exact meaning, capabilities, mechanics, and all other details are unknown due to lacking context and the ability having never been used canonically.

 

[Teezar]

move in timeless voids or areas outside of time or places where time doesn't exist

I've seen this in many verses and I also think it doesn't qualify for immeasurable speed or even infinite or any speed teir.

 

[Ss3micah]

Note 3: There are canon statements that Gold Experience Requiem can reset will to zero. However, the exact meaning, capabilities, mechanics, and all other details are unknown due to lacking context and the ability having never been used canonically.

Your assuming power null

 

[Braking]

lets take this somewhere else

 

[Ss3micah]

I've seen this in many verses and I also think it doesn't qualify for immeasurable speed or even infinite or any speed teir.

Which is why I say Inapplicable

 

[Ss3micah]

Also in Note 4
The Return to Zero working within Time Erase doesn't qualify as a feat of infinite speed

 

[Cloozuma]

Also in Note 4
The Return to Zero working within Time Erase doesn't qualify as a feat of infinite speed

but the fact that it did so despite only Diavolo being able to act there supports the idea of GER's ability having a superiority over that of other Stands.

You forgot that.

 

[Cloozuma]

Your assuming power null

That's for willpower manip, GER's Causality Manip is basically Power Null. Also read the blog

 

[manu_zarri]

@manu_zarri I'm going to make that Gio vs Xeno Goku rematch, brb for a sec

don't, nothing changed.

 

[Cloozuma]

don't, nothing changed.

Except it's a stomp?

 

[Ss3micah]

but the fact that it did so despite only Diavolo being able to act there supports the idea of GER's ability having a superiority over that of other Stands.

You forgot that.

Other the other stands abilities yes
How that would play out against over verses without stands is completely unknown and leads to assumptions

 

[Cloozuma]

Other the other stands abilities yes
How that would play out against over verses without stands is completely unknown and leads to assumptions

This literally means GER is superior to any canon stands in terms of literally everything, this includes MIH who is able to accel time to reach baseline infinite speeds. If it were to be an assumption GER wouldn't have infinite speed in its rating which is not the case.

 

[Ss3micah]

That's for willpower manip, GER's Causality Manip is basically Power Null. Also read the blog

Again, note 3 basically debunks what you say, except for Causality

 

[Ss3micah]

Return to Zero: GER can take the entirety of something and revert it to a previous state. This includes any action the target takes and leaves GER unaffected by it (i.e., Giorno would be affected by time stop, but GER would not)

By it's very description
RtZ only seems capable of affecting physical actions
And the Fact that Giorno would still be affected is gonna be a major issue

 

[manu_zarri]

do we want to finish derailing? the rules are clear, do i have to request a mass warn?

 

[Cloozuma]

Again, note 3 basically debunks what you say, except for Causality

There are canon statements that Gold Experience Requiem can reset will to zero. However, the exact meaning, capabilities, mechanics, and all other details are unknown due to lacking context and the ability having never been used canonically.

Jesus ******* Christ, it's about Willpower Manip not Causality Manip

 

[Cloozuma]

Return to Zero: GER can take the entirety of something and revert it to a previous state. This includes any action the target takes and leaves GER unaffected by it (i.e., Giorno would be affected by time stop, but GER would not)

By it's very description
RtZ only seems capable of affecting physical actions
And the Fact that Giorno would still be affected is gonna be a major issue

Something can be ANYTHING that GER is able to revert it

 

[Cloozuma]

do we want to finish derailing? the rules are clear, do i have to request a mass warn?

Ight close it, I'm making the thread soon

 

[manu_zarri]

Ight close it, I'm making the thread soon

don't even try, i will ask to close it instantly. it would be toxic af.

 

[Ss3micah]

don't even try, i will ask to close it instantly. it would be toxic af.

I'm not Toxic, I'm actually very reasonable ☺

 

[Ss3micah]

There are canon statements that Gold Experience Requiem can reset will to zero. However, the exact meaning, capabilities, mechanics, and all other details are unknown due to lacking context and the ability having never been used canonically.

Jesus ******* Christ, it's about Willpower Manip not Causality Manip

Just checked and yeah your right its will

 

[Chariot190]

RtZ only seems capable of affecting physical actions

Half its feats are against nonphysical actions, the **** are you on about?
And as someone who was, and is, the reason why willpower manip is still a thing and why that note exists, it's there for a damn good reason.

Now, if I'm not mistaken, this is a Xeno Goku Vs. Flash thread is it not? Drop off topic derailment shit, all of you. And debate the actual thread.

 

[manu_zarri]

I'm not Toxic, I'm actually very reasonable ☺

yes yes, that's what everyone says, then you find out they get banned

 

[Ss3micah]

Something can be ANYTHING that GER is able to revert it

But that Anything is too vague and leads to too many assumptions and wank. Something that isn't clearly specified can either be very limited or limitless and we don't know for certain what GER is

 

[Ss3micah]

Half its feats are against nonphysical actions, the **** are you on about?
And as someone who was, and is, the reason why willpower manip is still a thing and why that note exists, it's there for a damn good reason.

Now, if I'm not mistaken, this is a Xeno Goku Vs. Flash thread is it not? Drop off topic derailment shit, all of you. And debate the actual thread.

Actually I think we already came to an agreement on that

 

[Ss3micah]

Ight close it, I'm making the thread soon

Please Don't

 

[Chariot190]

But that Anything is too vague and leads to too many assumptions and wank. Something that isn't clearly specified can either be very limited or limitless and we don't know for certain what GER is

You need a general idea of what RTZ can do? Ask yourself if it's something that exists within or has something similar to it within the main JoJo canon, or if the thing in question is still bound by causality, there you go, that's your answer. That isn't hard to figure out, you now have a good idea of what it can effect and what it can't.

Now drop the derailing, Gio isn't relevant at all here.

 

[manu_zarri]

And debate the actual thread.

already asked to close, btw i will ask to close the ger vs xeno goku thread.
it's based on xeno goku which is a inconic powerfull characther, and giorno which is iconic powerfull characther

the thread is already on their profiles.

 

[Ss3micah]

already asked to close, btw i will ask to close the ger vs xeno goku thread.
it's based on xeno goku which is a inconic powerfull characther, and giorno which is iconic powerfull characther

the thread is already on their profiles.

Sounds Good

 

[Ss3micah]

You need a general idea of what RTZ can do? Ask yourself if it's something that exists within or has something similar to it within the main JoJo canon, or if the thing in question is still bound by causality, there you go, that's your answer. That isn't hard to figure out, you now have a good idea of what it can effect and what it can't.

Now drop the derailing, Gio isn't relevant at all here.

Thanks

 

[Greenshifter]

Tbh, if Goku has immeasurable speed at base, wouldn't he blitz Wally with his multipliers and shit?

This is Barry and nah I’d argue Barry if he were capable of using the full Speed Force scales above Wally utilizing 2 temporal dimensions to travel back in time to before the entire space-time got destroyed by Anti-Monitor in Chain Lightning.

Edit: Who brought up JoJo lol? I was just gonna flex with Barry’s speed lol.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Why tf is people talking about GER?