The Downstreamers VS. Meng Hao

[Cultivator_Daemon]

Greeting from Comicvine, anyway... let's get this start. This isn't going to end well, I can tell.

- Old Ones Downstreamers and Unknown Realms Meng Hao

- In-Character.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

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This is going to be bad, isn't it?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Also Downstreamers >>>> Mathematics >>>> Dante's universe >/=? Baseline 1-A

And if they die they just reach another level of transcendence

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Meng Hao is like 2 transcendences based off his last thread.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

The Downstreamers are as well

 

[Oceania1984ingsoc]

Downstreamers are the top of possible existence and all things are theirs and I believe their transcendences outnumber those of Meng Hao, the reason is if he needs equipment and cannot help all his friends and such transcend to equivalence to him, then he cannot beat the downstreamers who can make others transcend like them. Downstreamers transcend the logic of Meng Hao in my opinion, however I am not very informed about this Ergenverse so who am I too judge, it is just Downstreamers are insanely OP, way higher than regular 1-A.

 

[InfiniteSped]

The Meng at the profile is baseline 1-A. Current Meng is at least 1 level above, but we can't really know much beyond that, could be 2 times above if he reached the 6th Step (which I'd say is likely), or even 3 times if he got to the 7th Step (a bit less likely). Or he can be at 8, or 9, or 10, etc. We don't know.

 

[XDragnoir]

Not saying i understand ergen more than Sped, but MH isn't baseline 1A, Dao is a baseline 1A concept (when people say baseline 1A they mean L1A, right?), so the scaling chain is: Tenth Hex > Unknown Realms MH > Ancestor MH > Dao

 

[InfiniteSped]

Baseline 1-A is just 1-A. Meng is not above the Dao at all, he's just above some Essences, and equal to others (and weaker than others). There can be Essences stronger than him, and we know for sure that there are Daos far beyond him.

We just equal basic Essence to 4th Step for now, and treat the higher steps as transcending the 4th.

 

[XDragnoir]

If he doesn't transcend the Dao in his Ancestor key then he should be downgraded to L1A.

 

[Elizhaa]

If he doesn't transcend the Dao in his Ancestor key then he should be downgraded to L1A.

Essence, itself, is 1-A though so Meng Hao's Ancestor key wouldn't be downgraded.

 

[XDragnoir]

Low 1-A | Low Outerverse level: Alternatively, this tier can also be assigned to characters who transcend High 1-B structures when no further context regarding the nature or such transcendence is given.

I am sure the above applies to Essence in Ergenverse, since the verse has infinite dimensions, and essence is above the infinite dimensions.

 

[Elizhaa]

It "lie outside of the applications of spatiotemporal dimensionality" in the verse so it can still be 1-A. Low 1-A is still limited by temporal nature of dimensionality which isn't like the essense's case, XDragnoir.

 

[XDragnoir]

Where does it says L1A is limited by time? Also 1A is "represented by further uncountably infinite cardinals beyond useful applications of certain measures (ÔäÁ2 and onwards, most specifically)", while L1A is "most specifically ones whose amount of layers is comparable to the set of all real numbers, and are thus equated to the first uncountably infinite cardinal, ÔäÁ1, for simplicity's sake."

Again, i am sure being portrayed as outside spatiotemporal doesn't mean you can jump from ÔäÁ1 to ÔäÁ2.

 

[Nepuko]

If you transcend it on a conceptual level, it's 1-A directly instead of Low 1-A. The latter is if there is no further context.







Outerversal : "Characters who can significantly affect, create and/or destroy realms or states that fully transcend infinitely-layered hierarchies and/or dimensional levels on a conceptual or existential level"

Plus, transcendors are above Essence (one at start of 1-A), which in its turn is a concept so obviously its transcendences are conceptual in nature, so it's still 1-A.

And I don't know what you're talking about :thonk:. "Dao itself" isn't merely 1-A, it's vastly higher. Possibly 1-A+, even.

And regardless, the 1-A tier was confirmed again even after the Tiering System revision, as shown here.

 

[XDragnoir]

If the verse is possibly 1A+, why did Sped say MH was baseline 1A?

 

[InfiniteSped]

EoS MH is a tiny ant compared to the universe as a whole

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

EoS MH is a tiny ant compared to the universe as a whole

The universe is quite big.