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So, there were the tiering system revisions, and it seems that everyone has to be revised to fit into it now. Making this one to explain Ergenverse's reasons for their High 1-B and 1-A ratings, and see if they still qualify for those tiers.
Most of this stuff is already in this explanation blog
High 1-B
While that's happening, he's attacked by an enemy Dao Sovereign, and decides to step into another dimension to not be bothered. After that, all that's left of him in regular space is a "shadow", that can be seen, but not touched.
Beginning his enlightenment, he understands that the threads that the Hex uses to bind people are dimensional spaces. Said dimensional spaces can be described in terms of length, height, breadth and overall size, but those are only a portion of what space truly is.
https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3167104
Showing there are infinite threads.
And seeing this is the very concept of space, it's logical.
Here's another one :
And when a Xianxia say something is big, they mean it.
In all seriousness, considering this is the Essence of Space, the thing that creates and contains all space in existence, those dimensions should logically stretch over, like, everything. So, I think they could fit the requirements.
Reminder that countless = infinite.
Reminder that "space" is everything formed by the threads. So "space" as a whole would be all of the threads, hence infinite-D.
The rating would apply for 9-Essence Paragons and those comparable (Renegade Immortal's Late Grand Empyreans, and A Will Eternal's Peak Sovereigns, for example), since it's at that level of battle prowess that Meng starts being able to actually use the Essence of Space for real.
1-A
The 1-A rating was applied for many reasons :
-Ultima rating Essence as 1-A (and as Type 1, playdoughnic or whatever it is)
-Essence being above all time and space (if at this point the meaning of "space" isn't clear, I think I'm gonna commit seppuku ;-
-Transcending the concept of space ("space" here mea- alright alright, I'll stop....)
etc.
Essences are said to be the foundation of everything, and that all that exists has an Essence. To understand an object's Essence, you must know everything about it.
But it comes mostly for this quote from A Will Eternal, chapter 1311:
and even higher? :
Powerful enough Transcendors can create Essence with a single thought:
Now, I don't know how valid "Platonic Concepts" are after the revisions even with context behind it, so this might not be enough. At least, "transcending" the High 1-B 9-Essence Paragons and Essence itself being above all space should be taken into account. Transcendors even stated to be omnipotent (in comparison to non-Transcendors, of course):
Without further context, transcending High 1-B would be Low 1-A, but since this is on a conceptual level, it is 1-A.
(Then there are characters like Bai Xiaochun (Eternal World) who seem to transcend even regular Transcendors, so they might end up as higher.)
We hope it was clear, and we tried to make it as simple and clear as possible.
Most of this stuff is already in this explanation blog
High 1-B
- The reasoning for High Hyperverse level comes mostly from I Shall Seal the Heavens chapters 1345 and 1346, if anyone wants to go read and check it for themselves.
While that's happening, he's attacked by an enemy Dao Sovereign, and decides to step into another dimension to not be bothered. After that, all that's left of him in regular space is a "shadow", that can be seen, but not touched.
Beginning his enlightenment, he understands that the threads that the Hex uses to bind people are dimensional spaces. Said dimensional spaces can be described in terms of length, height, breadth and overall size, but those are only a portion of what space truly is.
- Here, you can see what is considered as "space", showing that the guy who made the 8th Hex only had to understand the initial aspects regarding the 3 dimensions and size, while Meng himself was contemplating the very Essence of Space (the concept itself of space), and proceeding to show space here not limited to 3-D, and that 3-D is merely a part of what space is.
- He then shows that said dimensional spaces/threads act as Higher-Dimensions, when he turns a 2-D circle into a 3-D sphere by adding one more thread.
"Within these threads are length, height, breadth, and size. They are limitless, and that is space.... They are flat, but actually...." He waved his right hand, causing a thread to stretch out from the circle, and then pass over him. In the blink of an eye, the circle of threads was no longer flat, but had transformed into... a sphere! "With an additional thread, it is no longer a circle, but a sphere, like a world ... |
- And beforehand it was stated that there were "countless" threads:
Meng Hao saw countless dimensions of space, all of them different sizes. Some were blurry, others were clear. They transformed into countless threads, threads that Meng Hao was very familiar with; every time he unleashed the Eighth Hex, these threads would appear, bind whoever was the target of the magic, and seal their cultivation base as well as their Nascent Divinity. Originally, Meng Hao had assumed that the threads were natural laws of Heaven and Earth. But now that he could see them clearly, he understood that they... were definitely not natural or magical laws! They were dimensional spaces! |
- In this case, the word "countless" is used as "infinite" in Chinese, from what we could gather:
https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3167104
Showing there are infinite threads.
- Here's further proof about space not being limited to 3-D, and that it truly covers everything, as everything formed by the threads are "space" :
| Space... is nothing more than countless threads, formed together into a pattern. The patterns formed by those threads... are space! |
- In the new tiering system, it seems that having these higher spatial dimensions can count for a High 1-B rating, as long as they are "large" enough. In those quotes, they are described as being quite large/infinite:
"What is space...?" Meng Hao murmured. The sound of his voice echoed out, causing the starry sky to shake. Although his eyes were closed, in his mind, he could see numerous dimensional spaces, spreading out in all directions, stretching out over such a vast area that they seemed limitless. |
"Within these threads are length, height, breadth, and size. They are limitless, and that is space |
And when a Xianxia say something is big, they mean it.
In all seriousness, considering this is the Essence of Space, the thing that creates and contains all space in existence, those dimensions should logically stretch over, like, everything. So, I think they could fit the requirements.
- Finally, some good ol' p e r s p e c t i v e to help, as with the Essence of Space he's also described as seeing the world as just a canvas, and was able to turn a Dao Sovereign 2-D, then crush him like a piece of paper:
Rumbling could be heard as the sea of flames trembled. Inside, the Outsider Dao Sovereign was howling bitterly. The fire seemed to be on the verge of slipping out of the shackles, of bursting out from within the threads that held it. And yet, it could not. Finally, the flames converged together, transforming into a lizard of fire. It began to butt its head against the threads, and yet that did nothing. It... could not free itself. It was completely sealed within what Meng Hao had created... the picture frame. The starry sky was like a canvas, and anyone who could control the Essence of space could use their hands like a brush. With a few strokes, threads could be formed together into an outline. What was within that outline... was space. [...] Meng Hao chuckled and suddenly raised his hand into the air, slowly clenching his fist in the direction of the painting within which hung the Outsider Dao Sovereign. It was as if he were crumpling a piece of paper into a ball; the canvas he had just created instantly transformed into ash. |
Reminder that "space" is everything formed by the threads. So "space" as a whole would be all of the threads, hence infinite-D.
The rating would apply for 9-Essence Paragons and those comparable (Renegade Immortal's Late Grand Empyreans, and A Will Eternal's Peak Sovereigns, for example), since it's at that level of battle prowess that Meng starts being able to actually use the Essence of Space for real.
1-A
The 1-A rating was applied for many reasons :
-Ultima rating Essence as 1-A (and as Type 1, playdoughnic or whatever it is)
-Essence being above all time and space (if at this point the meaning of "space" isn't clear, I think I'm gonna commit seppuku ;-
-Transcending the concept of space ("space" here mea- alright alright, I'll stop....)
etc.
Essences are said to be the foundation of everything, and that all that exists has an Essence. To understand an object's Essence, you must know everything about it.
But it comes mostly for this quote from A Will Eternal, chapter 1311:
- Has no form or shape, but creates and contains all forms and shapes
- Has no beginning or end, but contains all beginnings and endings
- Takes up no space, but also contains all space (all space)
- Exists outside of time, but creates and contains all time
- Is noiseless and lightless, but contains all noise and light
- Does not exist in a specific place, but creates and contains all places
- Is infinitely small, but also infinitely large
- Is completely unique and boundless
"At that time, I will truly be in... the Daosource Realm! "That is because I will be the source of the Dao, an Essence. What I wish to be natural law, will exist. Whatever magical laws I don't approve of, will not exist." With that, he waved his sleeve, and ... the bronze lamp appeared! [...] In the Daosource Realm, one became Essence, and replaced natural and magical laws. The pressure emanating from a single person could cause the minds of all living things to reel, and fill their hearts with shock. |
| And he also saw something that he was sure exceeded Essence, an amalgamation of space and time that exhibited a trace of the properties of Daosource which created... a terrifying sealing mark! |
Furthermore he could sense how vastly different he was from Meng Hao in terms of power. It was as if a single word from Meng Hao could alter natural law. It was as if a single thought from him could become Essence. It was as if a single action on his part could shake the entire starry sky. |
Transcendent cultivators . . . were omnipotent! All they had to do was think of something, and it could be done! It was a Realm occupied by the Immortal, the God, the Devil, the Ghost, and the Demon! |
Without further context, transcending High 1-B would be Low 1-A, but since this is on a conceptual level, it is 1-A.
(Then there are characters like Bai Xiaochun (Eternal World) who seem to transcend even regular Transcendors, so they might end up as higher.)
We hope it was clear, and we tried to make it as simple and clear as possible.
