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If you're looking at it with an outsider view point and your only info is the articles on this wiki about it then yes, but there is so much to that verse that doesn't get any light on here.
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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"
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Can you show me a statement from every SCP writer saying that they don't care about scaling?
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Blackcurrant has asked Ultima directly and Ultima said yes from what he recalled of the cosmology
If anything we get upgraded since the Low 1-A layer we have for the Warp would just be bumped to a full 1-A
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Most authors don't even know powerscaling exists. The burden of proof is on you, not us.
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What an incredibly ridiculous request.
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SCP tier 0s being put under the Emperor of Mankind is going to be a good day if it comes.
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Do you also want me to grab statements from writers that have died, quit the internet, or just left writing SCP in general?
Or are you keeping to the far-more-reasonable request of getting personal assurances from all 1000 active writers that they don't care about power scaling?
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If this is supposed to be the case, precise evidence is needed for this. Where's it?
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it is ridiculous but is it wrong?
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Absolutely.
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As much as I don't like some of the higher tier SCPs for mostly being wanked for the sake of being wanked (looking at you 682) acting like every SCP writer cares about powerscaling isn't accurate. The wiki having a shit ton of them isn't because it's the majority, it's just because those are the ones people wanted to make profiles for, some cause they're high tier but that's besides the point
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For real I'm very surprised the Warp isn't 1-A+ or even High 1-A.
Probably.The moment the tiering system changes and the verse gets downgraded we going to see an ultimate monad thing in SCP guaranteed
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The latter, if you can show me that there aren't any SCP writers that don't do power scaling then you got me there.
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Why are you treating this like a debate/CRT? This is a casual talk about a verse I haven't battleboarded in 4 years.
If you actually want to approach it this way, to make sure I'm not wasting my time, what "precise evidence" would you want for a claim like that?
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Eh, not enough evidence to get that high. If another book comes out with more info then sure but as is we're keeping the 3 layer Warp
But hey, Low 1-A layer becoming fully 1-A. Small steps
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If an average internet person tried to write one, it would get hacked off the site in less than a day. I cannot stress this enough, but though SCP has a few dozen Tier 1 and 0 profiles here, such characters are absolutely the exception to the rule. The vast majority of the over 7000 SCPs are weaker than modern IRL human technology. The SCP site has very high quality control standards, and you could probably count the authors skilled and reputable enough to write such powerful stuff on two hands. Also, even if a reputable author tried to write one there, PlaceholderMcD's meta-gimmick of making every canon a "mega-universe" is bound to ruin it.
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Generally, but sometimes hot garbage like this slips through, and stays up.
This was not some renowned user. It was this author's first contribution to the site. Their two other attempts in a similar vein were quickly downvoted and deleted, and never left the draft stage, respectively.
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Ain’t tryna be that guy, but the moment i read that first sentence (in the link), I had to click off
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Will an SCP that's treated like a monad happen? Possibly. Will it be soon? Most likely no. There'd have to be something more to it than just "oh this is a monad look at how cool it is". It'd have to be at least semi-original and on top of that people have to actually like it enough for our whole like-system to let it be usable.
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I read about half of that article, lets just say the information went in one ear and out the other.
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Maybe, if the SCP writers don't write something stronger than it.
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Nahhh what is that. That's just powerscaling for the sake of powerscaling
That would unironically be hilarious to me
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How will the concept of "omnipotence" be treated as fundamental? Also, will beings that are beyond space-time, that are currently tier 1, will they be directly 1-A in this system? Ultima had a list for that and almost all of the characters were at least 1-A or higher, but I don't know more details
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Imagine it, all the SCP writers and preteens trying to smash together some incoherent idea to try to get tier 0, only to have it beaten out by some random well written SCP.
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Assuming you're referring to BDE type 2, nah it's not automatically 1-A, that's just good supporting evidence for that under his system. Though, like Ultima said iirc, most stories that already have evidence for BDE type 2 accidentally write it in a way that works for 1-A also.
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I don't know what you mean by this.
Characters that have BDE Type 2 (and actually qualify; Ultima found that a fair few don't) will be Low 1-A at minimum. If they also have indications of being more real, as most would, they'd be 1-A.
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I mean, if a character in a series is called "omnipotent", does that character scale minimum to Low 1-A or higher? How will the wiki handle this?
Wow, in this system, be tier 1 and also being beyond/transcends the space-time... 1-A seems a little easy in the new system.
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So you are saying that besides the BDE type 2 statements, they also have a few things that go to 1-A or Low 1-A.
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no wtf1-A seems a little easy in the new system.
it will be even more harder to get 1-A now
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Yeah iirc Ultima initially had BDE type 2 as one of the ways to get into 1-A but then it changed so BDE type 2 is just a good piece of evidence but you need an ontological difference also I think
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We haven't really talked about this yet, since we're saving omnipotence for a later thread. It sounds like the answer is "no", but as that will be an easy-to-misinterpret fundamental part of our highest tier, I still expect to see wank like that on other sites.
You don't really need to be tier 1 in other ways. You could be tier 2 under the current system, and still make it there that way.Wow, in this system, be tier 1 and also being beyond/transcends the space-time... 1-A seems a little easy in the new system.
BDE Type 2 will get to Low 1-A. It's now intended as the tier for all sets in ZFC/Type IV multiverses/BDE-2.
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I see.
But Ultima said that in order to have BDE type 2, you must first be tier 1 in this system, because you must be ontologically above to the space-time.
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There would have to be proof for a character to be omnipotent rather than just a name-drop, even if said character was omnipotent you would then have to prove what is possible for them to do, that's just my understanding and take on the topic. Also there are limits to omnipotent characters, they are just the peak of their verse at the end of the day.
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Hm, I was just thinking about cases I've seen of R>F being rated at tier 2. So I assumed that something similar would still bump up to (Low) 1-A.
If the thing the character is ontologically superior to is vague (i.e. is maybe just a finite amount of space), characters with ontological differences can just be tier 2.
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I don't think so, it seems to have gotten easier, but the requirements and details of things like BDE, R>F and "omnipotence" will be discussed in another thread, maybe they can make the requirements stricter and more difficult there. I don't know, I may have spoken too soon.
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it will not be easier or harder, just a different metric.
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