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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

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Genericstickman said:
I just wonder how many weird upgrades would happen for unexpected characters, I know Uncle Grandpa has a upgrade justification thanks to here
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I'm more interested in which of the characters will get downgraded into oblivion despire previously being the pinnacle of Outerversal and High Outer tiers and even finding their ways into Boundless
 
Everyone: I wonder what tier scp verse will end up in in the new tier system tier 1-A? h1-A? or maybe tier 0?

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Why are we using the term Monad I get we are using the original meaning but it has another meaning in philosophy as it is used to refer to basic and immaterial elementary particles/simplest units. The Absolute or Ultimate reality seem to have more consistent definitions and refer to a similar if not identical concept.
 
Lou_change said:
Why are we using the term Monad I get we are using the original meaning but it has another meaning in philosophy as it is used to refer to basic and immaterial elementary particles/simplest units. The Absolute or Ultimate reality seem to have more consistent definitions and refer to a similar if not identical concept.
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I dunno, ask Ultima
 
Lou_change said:
Why are we using the term Monad I get we are using the original meaning but it has another meaning in philosophy as it is used to refer to basic and immaterial elementary particles/simplest units. The Absolute or Ultimate reality seem to have more consistent definitions and refer to a similar if not identical concept.
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Entirely out of convenience. I needed a name and that one worked, so.
 
@Ultima_Reality yo ultima when do you think things from your 2 crts are going to be rolled out? ik it probably takes a lot of time but i see all these characters that I KNOW are going to be changed and im just curious where things are at
 
So to become level 0, you just have to be inaccessible and not have any qualities? I can then unironically prove level 0 to Ain Sof Aur 000 of ToAru lol. Like nonexistent God that cannot be reached or evolved.
 
MrOMG said:
So to become level 0, you just have to be inaccessible and not have any qualities? I can then unironically prove level 0 to Ain Sof Aur 000 of ToAru lol. Like nonexistent God that cannot be reached or evolved.
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in toaru there is no one stronger than the magic god for now, where did you hear Ain Sof nonsense
 
Speaking of verses coming back to the wiki, from the little I know of Demonbane based on the last revision they did which would've upgraded them to 0 had it not been for the Tiering Revision, it'd be At least 1-A at a minimum via all the dream/dreamer and R/F stuff on the lower ends of the cosmology

Also even by separating DeMatteis' Cosmology from Marvel, You still get 1-A at a minimum from DeMatteis cosmology due to the dreams within dreams for the higher worlds, much less all of the philosophical stuff his Marvel works have (especially the likes of Into Shamballa and the early Silver Surfer comics)
 
The_2nd_Existential_Seed said:
Yeah um those concepts blatantly come from broken AF Hindiusm concepts. I wonder if Maharashak Devi and it’s prequel scales to 0 as well…
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Speaking of religious concepts, if wog states that a certain character has a achieved a religious state of being, is that enough evidence to apply that to the character, or would there have to be in-verse proof to apply it?
 
BrackishBrineBroth said:
Speaking of religious concepts, if wog states that a certain character has a achieved a religious-state, is that enough evidence to apply that to the character, or would there have to be in-verse proof to apply it?
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I think that’s a case by case basis, and they’d have to be pretty explicit . For example, not everyone who obtains Nirvana will be comparable to Buddhism Nirvana. Is there a particular example you have that you want to verify ?
 
The_2nd_Existential_Seed said:
I think that’s a case by case basis, and they’d have to be pretty explicit . For example, not everyone who obtains Nirvana will be comparable to Buddhism Nirvana. Is there a particular example you have that you want to verify ?
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I was just generally curious; I looked over the rules pertaining to gods of real-life religions, but couldn't find anything about the religions themselves. I know that Jujutsu Kaisen used to be stronger by using religious stuff before it was taken out.
 
BrackishBrineBroth said:
Speaking of religious concepts, if wog states that a certain character has a achieved a religious state of being, is that enough evidence to apply that to the character, or would there have to be in-verse proof to apply it?
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It's treated the same as any other namedrop of something in WoG.

If the WoG is related to things in the actual text (i.e. if we know the character has 2,000 abilities, 20 are explored canonically, and 2 are explored in WoG) it's fine.

If it's completely unrelated to things in the actual text, it's not fine.

And we'd only go off of the stuff actually said by the author, we wouldn't "scale it" to other sources elaborating on what such a state of being would entail.
 
The_2nd_Existential_Seed said:
Speaking of verses coming back to the wiki, from the little I know of Demonbane based on the last revision they did which would've upgraded them to 0 had it not been for the Tiering Revision, it'd be At least 1-A at a minimum via all the dream/dreamer and R/F stuff on the lower ends of the cosmology

Also even by separating DeMatteis' Cosmology from Marvel, You still get 1-A at a minimum from DeMatteis cosmology due to the dreams within dreams for the higher worlds, much less all of the philosophical stuff his Marvel works have (especially the likes of Into Shamballa and the early Silver Surfer comics)
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I forgot to make the Sandbox for Matteis’ Cosmology. I already placed Oblivion as High 1-A+(higher) and Maya as High 1-A+(lower). The Staff, Book, Nexus, Fallen Stars, and Lords of Shamballa are High 1-A. God as we know is 0. The dream layers are a 1-A hierarchy to me.
 
VeryGoofyToddler said:
I forgot to make the Sandbox for Matteis’ Cosmology. I already placed Oblivion as High 1-A+(higher) and Maya as High 1-A+(lower). The Staff, Book, Nexus, Fallen Stars, and Lords of Shamballa are High 1-A. God as we know is 0. The dream layers are a 1-A hierarchy to me.
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Hm. I understand most of your decisions, but may I ask how Maya and Oblivion are both respectably High 1-A+ ?
Also technically due to the nature of how God is also paradoxically within the Dream of Existence, but is also every being and thing (with God essentially playing the role of every character in the Cosmology), technically speaking there should be more than one 0 since it's all the exact same being just playing the role of these characters.
 
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