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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

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Grabbing_dragon said:
lol just learn a new word also i have a question would a verse with true platonic and Reality-Fiction Transcendence be 1Aplus or just 1A
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Depends on how they interact with each other.
 
Agnaa said:
Depends on how they interact with each other.
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The Reality-Fiction Transcendence itself is in the physical universe. the realm of forms is the ultimate truth and unreachable place even to characters with r>f . The verse itself follows the full origin of theory of forms
 
Grabbing_dragon said:
The Reality-Fiction Transcendence itself is in the physical universe. the realm of forms is the ultimate truth and unreachable place even to characters with r>f . The verse itself follows the full origin of theory of forms
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High 1-A if it's not contradicted.
 
Rakih_Elyan said:
There a lot of anti-feat, the fact that Arata can interact with him and travel to his domain with a dimensional ship is just a tip of anti-feat iceberg.
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Rakih_Elyan said:
There a lot of anti-feat, the fact that Arata can interact with him and travel to his domain with a dimensional ship is just a tip of anti-feat iceberg.
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the story told from chapters 1-12 in trinity seven revision is only a story created by Mitsui which is original or in the Invidia Archive Realm. The case of Arata which is now in the Mitsui plot is not R>F at all, just metafictional.We can conclude that Mitsui's abilities are not just Plot Manip obtained from Meta-Fictional, but can be obtained from R>F Transcendent . The reason Arata can exist in the Invidia Archive Realm is because IAR exists or accommodated by Heavenly Realm. Well, Heavenly Realm itself is a Higher Dimensional plane (higher reality), people who have transcended space time must be able to exist in Heavenly.So, that's the reason why Arata can exist in IAR
 
Rakih_Elyan said:
There a lot of anti-feat, the fact that Arata can interact with him and travel to his domain with a dimensional ship is just a tip of anti-feat iceberg.
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Rakih_Elyan said:
There a lot of anti-feat, the fact that Arata can interact with him and travel to his domain with a dimensional ship is just a tip of anti-feat iceberg.
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Simply put, the story told from chapters 1-12 in is only a story created by Mitsui which is original or in the Invidia Archive Realm. The case of Arata which is now in the Mitsui plot is not R>F at all, just metafictional.We can conclude that Mitsui's abilities are not just Plot Manip obtained from Meta-Fictional, but can be obtained from R>F Transcendent (which I said above) as well. The reason Arata can exist in the Invidia Archive Realm (IAR) is because IAR exists or accommodated by Heavenly Realm. Well, Heavenly Realm itself is a Higher Dimensional plane (higher reality), people who have transcended space time must be able to exist in Heavenly.So, that's the reason why Arata can exist in IAR
Rakih_Elyan said:
There a lot of anti-feat, the fact that Arata can interact with him and travel to his domain with a dimensional ship is just a tip of anti-feat iceberg.
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Also have you seen the new chapaters yui is confirmed to be azathoth all exictence is apart of her dream outside the gods.
 
Grabbing_dragon said:
the story told from chapters 1-12 in trinity seven revision is only a story created by Mitsui which is original or in the Invidia Archive Realm. The case of Arata which is now in the Mitsui plot is not R>F at all, just metafictional.We can conclude that Mitsui's abilities are not just Plot Manip obtained from Meta-Fictional, but can be obtained from R>F Transcendent . The reason Arata can exist in the Invidia Archive Realm is because IAR exists or accommodated by Heavenly Realm. Well, Heavenly Realm itself is a Higher Dimensional plane (higher reality), people who have transcended space time must be able to exist in Heavenly.So, that's the reason why Arata can exist in IAR
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Higher dimensional is a anti feat on its own. It's still a quantitative transcendence.
 
Save it for a revision thread, please. This clearly isn't going anywhere.
 
Is H1A+ hax gonna be a thing or would all H1A+ automatically be smurfs? Can anyone other than Tier 0 possess Tier 0 hax?
 
What about other than a Tier 0 enacting a rule upon a verse or acting on behalf of a lower tier? It seems kind of weird for a non Tier 0 to possess Tier 0 hax.
 
Tier 0 hax/abilities can only be obtained by a Tier 0 performing something on your behalf.

Since High 1-A+ no longer has restrictions on the number of inhabitants per series, lower-tier characters can have abilities that operate on that degree.
 
Agnaa said:
Since High 1-A+ no longer has restrictions on the number of inhabitants per series, lower-tier characters can have abilities that operate on that degree.
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Where was the latter decided? It's quite relevant to a verse I'm working on.
 
Robo432343 said:
i heard platonic concepts will be 1-A again??
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Yes.
Tyranno223 said:
Where was the latter decided? It's quite relevant to a verse I'm working on.
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As in the lower tier characters stuff? That was as soon as Ultima broadened the definition from just "Characters that embody all possible worlds" to "Characters that embody all possible worlds, or who can affect arbitrarily many possible worlds". There was never any decision, discussion, or disagreement about that. Lower-tier characters being able to have abilities on that level just logically follows from that change. The only roadblock to that (the one character per tier restriction) was removed.
 
Agnaa said:
Yes.

As in the lower tier characters stuff? That was as soon as Ultima broadened the definition from just "Characters that embody all possible worlds" to "Characters that embody all possible worlds, or who can affect arbitrarily many possible worlds". There was never any decision, discussion, or disagreement about that. Lower-tier characters being able to have abilities on that level just logically follows from that change. The only roadblock to that (the one character per tier restriction) was removed.
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Oh no, the first part. I thought only 1 High 1-A+ character was possible per verse.
 
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