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Ultima has yet to even establish the new tiers tho.
He'll probably explore more in detail what High 1-A+ is like.
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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"
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He'll probably explore more in detail what High 1-A+ is like.
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Will there be another upcoming major thread that commoners can join soon? Or are we just waiting for new changes to be settled before any new major discussions open up?
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I expect non-staff participation to be kept outside of the main threads until they're actually being applied, so they can ask questions about where verses they work on land.Will there be another upcoming major thread that commoners can join soon? Or are we just waiting for new changes to be settled before any new major discussions open up?
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I made a general commoners threadWill there be another upcoming major thread that commoners can join soon? Or are we just waiting for new changes to be settled before any new major discussions open up?
Thread 'Commoner's Thread: All purpose staff thread to discuss any ongoing Staff Discussions'
https://vsbattles.com/threads/commo...discuss-any-ongoing-staff-discussions.160707/
But i will like to continue the discussion on the tier system overhaul here for continuity.
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So um, I'm looking through random Tier 1 characters to see which would be affected (upgrade or downgrade) by these changes, and I can't help but noticed Akuto Sai's Outerverse justification (even though based on what I've seen from Demon King Daimao in this thread it's likely going to be majorly affected by the tiering change anyways):
"can create any possible story that can be put into writing"
Shouldn't this be, like, higher than just Outerverse level even in the current tiering change for Outerversal ? This seems like the meta-fictional equivalent to actualizing any logically possible reality.
"can create any possible story that can be put into writing"
Shouldn't this be, like, higher than just Outerverse level even in the current tiering change for Outerversal ? This seems like the meta-fictional equivalent to actualizing any logically possible reality.
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High 1-A+ is most likely contradicted considering there are non tier 0s above what would be any possible story.
But yea on its own it would be High 1-A+.
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I'm uncertain , considering Ultima made it clear recently that High 1-A+ isn't like 0 anymore and there can be multiple individual High 1-A+ people within a setting.
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Yea but only a tier 0 can transcend or be above high 1-A+.
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Speaking about DKD. Will there be any possible tier 0 characters?
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Nope, the highest character is the Law of Identity and they don't display the traits of a Monad.
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Okay then. But would they get High 1-A+ at least? Or is DKD doomed to be limited to High 1-A at its peak, just like right now?
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As mentioned above, High 1-A is most likely.
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Well, here goes DKD being the highest anime verse on VSB, even if potentially
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TLOI would be tier 0 (in a vacuum) but like it's apparently contradicted from what I heard since there are multiple beings on the same level.
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Umineko. There is a chance for Tier 0 Creator.
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Nasuverse would be higher. And maybe SMT
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I was speaking from the perspective of the current tiering system and it being tiered at High 1-A (albeit potentially), but ok
So is it Umi, Nasu or SMT?
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Nasu - Tier 0 Root (confirmed by Ultima)So is it Umi, Nasu or SMT?
SMT - Tier 0 Axiom (maybe?)
Umineko - High 1A Featherine (the creator is not a character. More like a title which no known character has reached currently)
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I think Ovy7 previosly talked about this issue and did say that The Creator is a character... but I won't say anything on this matter
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It's not. Multiple people can become "creators" based on Featherine's statement. And I doubt it's Tier 0 because somehow Maria is "eventually" going to become one which kinda contradicts how Tier 0 should be.
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Nope. Confirmed by Ultima.
You become a creator by losing all sense of individuality and self. Which does not contradict Tier 0 standards.
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Here goes the clash of two ideas of Umineko's Creator...
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By the way you don't even have to be a "character" to be Tier 0.
Tier 0s literally aren't characters at all by their very nature. They are instead the source of every quality that possesses a oneness with every quality.
Things like the Root still get profiles despite this anyway.
Tier 0s literally aren't characters at all by their very nature. They are instead the source of every quality that possesses a oneness with every quality.
Things like the Root still get profiles despite this anyway.
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Perhaps in theory, but in fiction a lot of "characters" are going to become Tier 0. It won't just be inert/non-conscious things like the Root (although the Root will likely not become Tier 0).
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First the Creator, now the Root getting neglected from its tier 0. Who'll be next, Nemo Ex Machina?
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I mean, they were always in question to begin with. I don't know about Nemo Ex Machina getting affected, but I feel Lovecraft to be next.
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So now the only tier 0s will be bootleg religious figures
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One day I will found a church of the Creator, the Root and Yog-Sothoth so that they'll be confirmed religious figures (joke btw)
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I tried to warn them
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Nemo Ex Machina is High 1-A+
True form is the opposite of Tier 0 from what I know. Like the absence of all qualities or something. Since it just stops existing entirely.
Idk about Yog-Sothoth and stuff. Ultima seems to think it is Tier 0, others not.
Same with the Root. Lol.
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Hey, at least thanks to Ultima I got even more religious than before, so that's something
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Ma boi NEM got slayed by the unjustness of a cause of becoming the absolute nothingness
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So is gojo/sukuna gonna scale beyond tiering?
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Welp. I guess SMT would be stuck at 1A then.
I'm aware of that. What I'm trying to say is that there is more than 1 creator which goes against the Tier 0 requirements. And a tier 0 being cannot be said to eventually reach tier 0 status. It has to have been tier 0 from the start.
I'm well aware of this and I agree.
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You say this multiple times but Ultima already confirmed the root to be indeed Tier 0 and it meets every single requirement of Tier 0.
The creator was never said to be tier 0 tho. The only way it would be is if it's confirmed to be completely unreachable (Featherine almost reached it). And if it's stayed that only 1 being can be the creator because as far as I can remember, it's called "Creators" rather than "Creator"
The Root is tier 0 tho as it follows all the requirements.
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For 1, Creators are not individuals beings. Just because there are multiple Creator avatars does not mean they are separated characters. The whole point is that they loose individuality and become one. Tier 0s still possess the ability to operate through multiple avatars. That isn't an anti-feat.
For 2, you can "eventually" become a Tier 0 if it is through the method of losing individuality and thus succeeding in transcending the distinction of qualities and becoming one with everything. I just said this.
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I mean, pretty much all the tier 0's HAVE TO BE "bootleg" religious figures to qualify tbh.
Lmao
I see. In that case, maybe Umineko might be tier 0 as well.
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I just wonder how many weird upgrades would happen for unexpected characters, I know Uncle Grandpa has a upgrade justification thanks to here
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