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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

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I wish it was easier to discover what else qualifies for High 1-A+ other than the aforementioned in the staff thread or Ultima's sandbox so I can understand it better. That's still very much stumping me because I'm certain there's other examples out there, but what those are I'm uncertain of.

Also happy birthday to me
Ultima has yet to even establish the new tiers tho.

He'll probably explore more in detail what High 1-A+ is like.
 
Will there be another upcoming major thread that commoners can join soon? Or are we just waiting for new changes to be settled before any new major discussions open up? 🤔
I expect non-staff participation to be kept outside of the main threads until they're actually being applied, so they can ask questions about where verses they work on land.
 
Will there be another upcoming major thread that commoners can join soon? Or are we just waiting for new changes to be settled before any new major discussions open up? 🤔
I made a general commoners thread

Thread 'Commoner's Thread: All purpose staff thread to discuss any ongoing Staff Discussions'
https://vsbattles.com/threads/commo...discuss-any-ongoing-staff-discussions.160707/


But i will like to continue the discussion on the tier system overhaul here for continuity.
 
So um, I'm looking through random Tier 1 characters to see which would be affected (upgrade or downgrade) by these changes, and I can't help but noticed Akuto Sai's Outerverse justification (even though based on what I've seen from Demon King Daimao in this thread it's likely going to be majorly affected by the tiering change anyways):
"can create any possible story that can be put into writing"
Shouldn't this be, like, higher than just Outerverse level even in the current tiering change for Outerversal ? This seems like the meta-fictional equivalent to actualizing any logically possible reality.
 
So um, I'm looking through random characters to see which would be affected by these changes, and I can't help but noticed Akuto Sai's Outerverse justification (even though based on what I've seen from Demon King Daimao in this thread it's likely going to be majorly affected by the tiering change anyways):
"can create any possible story that can be put into writing"
Shouldn't this be, like, higher than just Outerverse level ? This seems like the meta-fictional equivalent to actualizing any logically possible reality.
High 1-A+ is most likely contradicted considering there are non tier 0s above what would be any possible story.

But yea on its own it would be High 1-A+.
 
Umineko - High 1A Featherine (the creator is not a character. More like a title which no known character has reached currently)
I think Ovy7 previosly talked about this issue and did say that The Creator is a character... but I won't say anything on this matter
 
SMT - Tier 0 Axiom (maybe?)
Nope. Confirmed by Ultima.


It's not. Multiple people can become "creators" based on Featherine's statement. And I doubt it's Tier 0 because somehow Maria is "eventually" going to become one which kinda contradicts how Tier 0 should be.
You become a creator by losing all sense of individuality and self. Which does not contradict Tier 0 standards.
 
By the way you don't even have to be a "character" to be Tier 0.

Tier 0s literally aren't characters at all by their very nature. They are instead the source of every quality that possesses a oneness with every quality.

Things like the Root still get profiles despite this anyway.
 
I mean, they were always in question to begin with. I don't know about Nemo Ex Machina getting affected, but I feel Lovecraft to be next.
Nemo Ex Machina is High 1-A+

True form is the opposite of Tier 0 from what I know. Like the absence of all qualities or something. Since it just stops existing entirely.

Idk about Yog-Sothoth and stuff. Ultima seems to think it is Tier 0, others not.

Same with the Root. Lol.
 
Nope. Confirmed by Ultima.
Welp. I guess SMT would be stuck at 1A then.
You become a creator by losing all sense of individuality and self. Which does not contradict Tier 0 stastandard
I'm aware of that. What I'm trying to say is that there is more than 1 creator which goes against the Tier 0 requirements. And a tier 0 being cannot be said to eventually reach tier 0 status. It has to have been tier 0 from the start.
By the way you don't even have to be a "character" to be Tier 0.

Tier 0s literally aren't characters at all by their very nature. They are instead the source of every quality that possesses a oneness with every quality.

Things like the Root still get profiles despite this anyway.
I'm well aware of this and I agree.
 
Perhaps in theory, but in fiction a lot of "characters" are going to become Tier 0. It won't just be inert/non-conscious things like the Root (although the Root will likely not become Tier 0).
You say this multiple times but Ultima already confirmed the root to be indeed Tier 0 and it meets every single requirement of Tier 0.
First the Creator, now the Root getting neglected from its tier 0. Who'll be next, Nemo Ex Machina?
The creator was never said to be tier 0 tho. The only way it would be is if it's confirmed to be completely unreachable (Featherine almost reached it). And if it's stayed that only 1 being can be the creator because as far as I can remember, it's called "Creators" rather than "Creator"

The Root is tier 0 tho as it follows all the requirements.
 
I'm aware of that. What I'm trying to say is that there is more than 1 creator which goes against the Tier 0 requirements. And a tier 0 being cannot be said to eventually reach tier 0 status. It has to have been tier 0 from the start.
For 1, Creators are not individuals beings. Just because there are multiple Creator avatars does not mean they are separated characters. The whole point is that they loose individuality and become one. Tier 0s still possess the ability to operate through multiple avatars. That isn't an anti-feat.

For 2, you can "eventually" become a Tier 0 if it is through the method of losing individuality and thus succeeding in transcending the distinction of qualities and becoming one with everything. I just said this.
 
So now the only tier 0s will be bootleg religious figures
I mean, pretty much all the tier 0's HAVE TO BE "bootleg" religious figures to qualify tbh.
Hey, at least thanks to Ultima I got even more religious than before, so that's something
Lmao
For 1, Creators are not individuals beings. Just because there are multiple Creator avatars does not mean they are separated characters. The whole point is that they loose individuality and become one. Tier 0s still possess the ability to operate through multiple avatars. That isn't an anti-feat.

For 2, you can "eventually" become a Tier 0 if it is through the method of losing individuality and thus succeeding in transcending the distinction of qualities and becoming one with everything. I just said this.
I see. In that case, maybe Umineko might be tier 0 as well.
 
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