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Wait until I get a chance to properly respond plsKnightOfSunlight said:That's true.
I still think this is a stomp, so I'm gonna ask Schnee to close it at their discretion.
Except that Jojo already has a predetermined future before Diavolo ever observed it. If Diavolo never observes it, why would it rebound onto him? He hasn't "added" a start or an end point, those are already a thing. Giorno is notable because he specifically broke that fate, but all outcomes have a single possibility.KnightOfSunlight said:Let's put it this way, as long as it has a defined start and end point, she can cut and kill it. This includes predicted futures.
Diavolo's predictions are strange because they are stated to both show the future and also to ensure that future. That instant he looks into the future, he's added both a start and end point to a defined section of time in the future, and ensured that future will come about.
Shiki can cut that.
No, he is not guaranteeing that future. That was already the future that was going to happen. See my reply to king of sunlight above.LSirLancelotDuLacl said:Because... that's exactly what he's doing. If he's seen 10 seconds into the future, those 10 seconds would have to happen. Otherwise, what exactly is Diavolo looking at?
The precog dude's power exerted no change in the timeline, the dude had to manually set everything up for the precognition to happen. He still got eye ****** because he was seeing said Future when it got cut, and there's no reason to believe Diavolo would be any different when his other and main power literally does spank the timeline and tells it to do what Epithat saw or else it gets the bat.
It's a strange clash of directly contrary cosmologies, isnt it?KnightOfSunlight said:This is really getting too far into the metaphysical nature of time and fate in both JoJo and the Nasuverse.
When Diavolo uses King Crimson to erase a portion of time and change fate, then a new future is set in stone shortly after time resumes. Shiki would be no different. If she erases a future, a new one will be locked in placeMonarch Laciel said:If the future is already locked in simply from Diavolo being here, then it's a solid defined thing that Shiki can kill. And a new future wouldn't simply "lock in" because the future has been killed.
You are misunderstanding. Whether Diavolo affected the timeline to make it go one way doesn't matter. If we are assuming a JoJo Cosmology because otherwise Epithat can't be a thing, then Diavolo is just twice as screwed. Making sure the possibility happened didn't blind the precog dude, he's got nothing besides being able to look at a possibility and not even the one he wants, seeing that possibility and then having it cut by Shiki IS what blinded him. The way you are wording this is like the precog dude's Mystic Eyes make it so that everything lines up to his favor, but it does nothing like that, it just tells him how to achieve the future he has seen with his own hands. And I am not about to think Epithat doesn't get hurt the moment the future it sees, that is so deterministic, gets cut just because Diavolo had no hand in it. He'll still be seeing it the moment it gets cut and it'll **** him up.Iapitus The Impaler said:No, he is not guaranteeing that future. That was already the future that was going to happen. See my reply to king of sunlight above.
Yes, he did. In the default Nasuverse cosmology, there are an infinite amount of futures before they are pruned off. If this guy predicting the future creates a single outcome, then he made it that way. Solomon, Goetia, Merlin, etc. Do not create a single possible future when they observe it, that is just how that guy's precog works. The reason it is different is because the Nasuverse has an infinite amount of possible outcomes, where as Jojo just has a single one. Diavolo observes an already guaranteed future, that is what makes it different. What solidifys this is that MiH's predetermined fate is not created by the reset. The reset just makes everyone aware of what their fate is. One of the major things that Giorno did is that he was able to defy fate, but that is a rare thing, and beyond specific cases like that, there is a single possible outcome from any senerio. That is not Epitaph's doing, that is Araki's doing.