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he did, it was hilarious
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The Black Swordsman vs. Yang (Rematch)
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I have not lied about a single thing in this thread, the fact that you are accusing me of such if proof of your bias
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To sum the arguments up here:
Yang's advantages - Higher AP and Durability, a full body forcefield that can withstand 8-A attacks, an AP and Dura amp that gets Yang into low end 8-A, significantly more skill and experience, greater physical strength, experience fighting and beating opponents faster than herself, analytical prediction far better than what Kirito has shown, and better ranged options
Kirito's advantages - A temporary speed amp and slightly better regen
Anyone FRAing kirito is ignoring all of the arguments presented in this thread in favor of bias
Yang's advantages - Higher AP and Durability, a full body forcefield that can withstand 8-A attacks, an AP and Dura amp that gets Yang into low end 8-A, significantly more skill and experience, greater physical strength, experience fighting and beating opponents faster than herself, analytical prediction far better than what Kirito has shown, and better ranged options
Kirito's advantages - A temporary speed amp and slightly better regen
Anyone FRAing kirito is ignoring all of the arguments presented in this thread in favor of bias
Scottycj256
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THERE IS NO 8-A AMP ON YANGS BEACON KEY STOP INSISTING ON THIS
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Here's the way I see it. In versus debates, especially on this site, people decide on who wins via which argument is stronger or they think is more sound. We provided our arguments and let the people decide as they usually do and they simply thought Kirito had better chances. It's not biased it's just what they thought was right.
I feel like accusing people of having some implicit bias for Kirito or hatred for Yang because they voted for Kirito/or are going to vote for Kirito is just really demeaning and, once again, not to be rude, is just you being a sore loser.
I feel like accusing people of having some implicit bias for Kirito or hatred for Yang because they voted for Kirito/or are going to vote for Kirito is just really demeaning and, once again, not to be rude, is just you being a sore loser.
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No my guy, I saw you asking people to vote for kirito, this is in fact an accurate claim of bias
The Arguments for kirito are nonexistent
Scottycj256
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DO YOU GUYS SEE AN 8-A AMP ON THIS?????
I CERTAINLY DONT
NO 8-A AURA EITHER
I AM ACTUALLY GOING TO BECOME THE JOKER
Fezzih_007
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But It made trought
Ok then, i do It later geez
Just saying "she was trained in combat by one of the most skilled fighters on the planet" means zero to mean, since i don't know who was she trained by. And "and being acknowledged as a world-class fighter" Also means **** all to me, since i don't who else in the verse to compare.
(I actually watched RWBY, but i don't remember much)
When did i say that? I acknowledged that is a good feat, i just don't think It was enough for me to vote for Yang.
Just fighting? Does she scale in skill?
I din't give any arguments, i Just saying that what he said don't conviced me.
Whatever, i gonna try to say why Kirito wins then, **** it
Gonna gather the evidence.
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Kirito, while decently skilled, isn't "One of the best on the planet" in terms of skill, and even then he's badly struggled against dudes who don't use weapons, and only won due to either the use of a weapon in a last-ditch effort or help
hmm, I wonder what Yang uses. not even counting that Yang actually has 2 free hands, infinitely better ranged options, and a full-body Forcefield that, while indeed somewhat controversial in terms of potency, either way it makes Kirito's life many times harder since he can't use some of the very few hax he's got on Yang until it goes down.
Kirito is fighting a combatant whose style he's historically struggled against, while at multiple stat disadvantages(so even if you bring up he couldve been at stat disadvantages... yeah.), and no usable hax to back it up.
hmm, I wonder what Yang uses. not even counting that Yang actually has 2 free hands, infinitely better ranged options, and a full-body Forcefield that, while indeed somewhat controversial in terms of potency, either way it makes Kirito's life many times harder since he can't use some of the very few hax he's got on Yang until it goes down.
Kirito is fighting a combatant whose style he's historically struggled against, while at multiple stat disadvantages(so even if you bring up he couldve been at stat disadvantages... yeah.), and no usable hax to back it up.
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Genuinely where? I don't really have any sort of communication with people outside of the forum besides a couple of the SAO supporters which only 2 are here.
Spinoirr
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Well her profile is outdated
Because her semblance literally stacks damage she absorbs by hits and stores it and releases it all by two times
Think of it like this, Yang gets hit by two attacks that are 10 tons, she now has stored 20 tons of energy and she can send back that stored energy of 20 tons twice as hard into 40 tons of energy
Fezzih_007
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Btw weekly, can you show when in the profile say she have Mid-Low regeneration?
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Aura (RWBY)
Aura is a core ability in RWBY, a manifestation of the soul, a life force that runs through every living creature on Remnant, whether they are a meager shopkeep or a renowned knight[1]. Aura is the manifestation of one's soul in RWBY and can be used for a wide range of abilities. The specific...
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Yang's semblance stores the energy of every hit she takes, doubles it, and adds it to her own, with her max amount of his being within the 3-4 dozen range. 4 x 36 = 144 tons, 8-A
DO YOU GUYS SEE AN 8-A AMP ON THIS?????
I CERTAINLY DONT
NO 8-A AURA EITHER
I AM ACTUALLY GOING TO BECOME THE JOKER
And Yes, 8-A aura, she is literally listed in her dura section as having taken hits from 8-As
Spinoirr
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Check the Aura page it shows multiple explamples of the characters surviving attacks from people who are way stronger then them, that's why Aura is listed as higher
DO YOU GUYS SEE AN 8-A AMP ON THIS?????
I CERTAINLY DONT
NO 8-A AURA EITHER
I AM ACTUALLY GOING TO BECOME THE JOKER
Also the 8-A comes from the fact Yangs semblance ap can depend all on how much damage she has absorbed, hence why it's listed as higher as well
Burn: Yang has the ability to absorb energy from the damage she has taken, and redirect it twice as hard at her opponent, effectively making her stronger with each hit she takes. She can save up the energy to use later for an even more devastating attack. Her ability also causes her eyes to change color from lilac to red, which is a "side-effect" of her Semblance, though it does occasionally happen outside of combat. When using her Semblance, she draws power from her hair. However, Yang's Semblance does not grant her invincibility and she does take damage from her opponents, as shown when Adam Taurus cuts her right arm off with Wilt and Blush. Although a powerful Semblance, Yang is unable to power it up without taking damage first, and fighters well-versed in dodging attacks can potentially bypass it entirely, rendering the added power useless. In early volumes her anger also caused her to unintentionally activate her Semblance, even if she is not in battle, though after the Fall of Beacon this is no longer an issue.
Scottycj256
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its literally not on the profiles, you cannot use this
Fezzih_007
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Thanks.I tink it be on hereAura (RWBY)
Aura is a core ability in RWBY, a manifestation of the soul, a life force that runs through every living creature on Remnant, whether they are a meager shopkeep or a renowned knight[1]. Aura is the manifestation of one's soul in RWBY and can be used for a wide range of abilities. The specific...
Why Yang is Low then?
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Her profile is hot garbage, like most RWBY profiles
Spinoirr
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Bro, it's literally how Yangs semblance works
So technically it's on her profile but just listed as higher as it depends on who she is fighting and how much hits she can take and absorb
Spinoirr
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Aura (RWBY)
Aura is a core ability in RWBY, a manifestation of the soul, a life force that runs through every living creature on Remnant, whether they are a meager shopkeep or a renowned knight[1]. Aura is the manifestation of one's soul in RWBY and can be used for a wide range of abilities. The specific...
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Read this, look at the profiles linked
It shows aura multiple times let's the characters survive attacks from people in different tiers of power then them and yang with her Aura still up can take massive amounts of damage with her Aura and absorb, store it all and send all that absorbed damage back
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I hope in my arguments I never made it seem like he was the most skilled person alive. I think even in my first message I go as far as to say “skill is close and debatable” or something along those lines.”
I think it is important to understand, in Aincrad there were people who fought with claws and martial arts, heck, there was an entire skill tree dedicated to Martial Arts itself so not only would Kirito have learned such things himself but he would also have dealt with people who use unarmed content, as for ranged options, Kirito is no stranger to people with ranged options, take for instance enemies that use projectiles such as lasers (Floor 8 boss I believe (it’s a cube)) or the Minotaurs on 2 that use lightning breath. His analytical prediction would come in handy here to help with dodging that stuff as well. I don’t really think he’s “struggled” per say with hand to hand combatants in the sense that they’re a big issue or in fact a weakness of his but yeah that’s all I have to say.
There’s still the fact that he’s also a game character with certain physiology, instant full heals and passive heals, other buffs and incarnatjon which I will be sending a clip below proof that he utilized incarnation (albeit a lot less potently) in his final battle against Heathcliff (the yellow eyes are always a clear indicator of this).
(Skip to 4:10 I am on mobile)
Fezzih_007
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Hmmmm, If RWBY profiles outdated, i think i gonna wait for the CRT, before doing the gathering of evidence.
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1. No it didn'tBut It made trought
Ok then, i do It later geez
Just saying "she was trained in combat by one of the most skilled fighters on the planet" means zero to mean, since i don't know who was she trained by. And "and being acknowledged as a world-class fighter" Also means **** all to me, since i don't who else in the verse to compare.
(I actually watched RWBY, but i don't remember much)
When did i say that? I acknowledged that is a good feat, i just don't think It was enough for me to vote for Yang.
Just fighting? Does she scale in skill?
I din't give any arguments, i Just saying that what he said don't conviced me.
Whatever, i gonna try to say why Kirito wins then, **** it
Gonna gather the evidence.
2. Cool
3. The best fighters on the planet like Qrow, Glynda, and other professors who are at the very least better than Kirito's kendo instructor. As for the "World Class Figher" part, I'm going to assume you never watched the show because if you saw how they fight, you'd realize how skilled they are. But if you want an actual reference, check out Pyrrha's page on the wiki
4. yeah I'm not explaining why this is dumb
5. The **** do you mean does she scale in skill? What other skill matters in a fight besides, well, fighting? Do you want me to pull up her resume? Get her after school extracurricular cooking classes or something?
6. Without your own evidence backing it up you can't vote based off a nonchalant "no"
Spinoirr
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Yeah, basically Yang's semblance varies in power depending on how much damage she takes, I mean it's on her profile already
Burn: Yang has the ability to absorb energy from the damage she has taken, and redirect it twice as hard at her opponent, effectively making her stronger with each hit she takes. She can save up the energy to use later for an even more devastating attack.
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This only applies to Hazel and Jaune, not YangI tink it be on hereAura (RWBY)
Aura is a core ability in RWBY, a manifestation of the soul, a life force that runs through every living creature on Remnant, whether they are a meager shopkeep or a renowned knight[1]. Aura is the manifestation of one's soul in RWBY and can be used for a wide range of abilities. The specific...
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Because she doesn't have "exceptionally high aura reserves"
The one thing I don't agree with what Weekly says is that she has mid low regen, when her low regen is actually accurate since it's what the majority of the cast uses
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Atlesian Paladins are High 8C
That said, they are still far stronger than Yang so I get your point, but nowhere on her Beaon profile does it say that she's taken hits from 8As
Adam sliced straight through her arm with zero effort from full health
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yeah it is
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Kirito fra
Spinoirr
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Did you read the thread or is this opinion bias?
Fezzih_007
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It did, yeah.
Cool
Ok, what you said is better than what weekly said, but weekly initially don't convince me at all.
I can see why you think this is dumb, but i just saying I think they are good feat, but not enough for me to think Kirito would lose.
Tch.
Techinically i can, If i give a reason or agree with someone else.
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You literally just disproved all of your points with that 1 video
Kirito in the video you sent literally just went unga bunga sword swing because the guy he was fighting literally programmed the game and memorized every single sword skill in his tree. This not only proves that 1. Sword Skills are telegraphed, and 2. Kirito can't do jack shit without them, as even him using his so called "swordplay" without sword skills wasn't enough to even touch Heathcliffe, a middle-aged programmer who has an equally nonexistent amount of real life combat experience
Kirito has never encountered anyone who fights like Yang does, and although martial arrts skills do exist in Aincrad, they are at the end of the day still skills and thus are still telegraphed. It's literally a video game. If you keep seeing the same skills over and over you're bound to adapt to it unless you're an idiot. Yang however doesn't use skills, she just fights unrestricted from a game, which adds a massive amount of variance to her fighting style compared to an SAO player or SAO monster
I already addressed his analytical prediction above. Analytically predicting telegraphed monsters and sword skills like a pro gamer would doesn't help him against an actual combatant. Not to mention Kirito has no significant ranged attacks on his own, so even if he sees the projectiles coming, he can't respond in turn, meaning Yang can camp him out whenever he wants.
Also, I'm surprised no one has brought this up yet. but Yang's mobility is LEAGUES upon LEAGUES beyond Kirito's. Yang's propulsion-based combat and momentum manipulation via Ember Celia allows Yang to dodge and counter in a way that irito has never seen before and has no answer to, plus she can just zoom across the battlefield shooting him with bullets without any effort. It's literally a nerfed version of Bakugo's mobility from MHA
This one example of Incarnation worked because Kirito caught Heathcliff off guard with a surprise attack after he was already dead, with both of them dying immediately after that (well, Kirito didn't actually die, but that's only because Heathcliff directly interfered with the game's system and spared both him and Asuna. Kirito would actually die if he attempted it here). Yang, however, can't be caught off guard due to her aura blocking everything passively, so even if Kirito protagonist powers his way past death, Yang would just facetank the blow and finish him off for good
Not to mention this key of Kirito doesn't even have that in the first place
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Adam is 7-C and was amped even further by his semblance
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But you get my point right? Yang as of Beacon hasn't tanked an 8A
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As I brought up earlier, Kirito in this key has at most two years of actual combat experience and minimal formal training, Yang in this key has over a decade of both. That alone shows how wide the gap between them is.
Spinoirr
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She has survived multiple high 8-C attacks from mercury
I think that's what weekly means
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She has yes, she took numerous hits from Mercury and Neo, the former of which she actively pummeled to the point of breaking his aura and breaking his leg when her semblance was up
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