TenSura LN Major Revision - Monotheistic God (Atempt 2)

[Cloelolo_60021]

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[Humanitus_Primevilus888]

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[Antvasima]

Hello, I'd like to pose some questions:

1. How does Michael being absorbed into Rimuru, and thus feeling as though he is being returned to the world/Veldanava, relate to the "All Encompassing Oneness" still being a thing?

And, further, do you have any other scans to support the argument that there still is some overarching Oneness without division?

At the current moment, I don't really believe that Veldanava has this "true state." To me, the scans read more that he literally did just dissolve himself into a more interesting existence. And his avatar state is all that remains at the moment.

2. They wanted to bring back the "Omniscient, Omnipotence" version of Veld. How exactly is it they planned to do that?

I ask because this is a pretty obtuse thing to say especially combined with the previous questions I have. It again supports the notion that Veldanava is completely dissolved from his previous Oneness that used to be.

I again don't think the Rimuru absorption scan provides sufficient evidence.

3. You are trying to argue for High 1-A? Do you mean High 1-A+?

I do not understand how it could be High 1-A when there is not an established 1-A hierarchy in the first place which this transcends.

These seem like good points.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

These seem like good points.

They were already answered, however, with no further response from Phoenks.
I suppose we can only get to a solid conclusion when Ultima makes their entrance.

 

[CodeCCLL]

proposals

Are you considering changing the proposals regarding Ivaraj and Veldanava's relationship with God as mentioned by me and @Berga14?

I want to know this. If you are going to plan ignore these points, I will not waste my time, which is already very little, to follow this thread. Honestly say yes or no.

For wiki indexing purposes I don't think it is appropriate, the avatar should have a level 0 key. An apostle should have only Hax of this level. In this case Blessing Hax. Given that the means and way in which level 0 interacts with reality is very different for the case of Ramiris and Veldanava.

Also I agree with this. The part about Ramiris should also be rephrased.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I will say that while I agree with the overall proposal. I disagree with Calling Veldanava and Ivarage "avatars of god" as we have discussed multiple times over on Discord.

A quick summary of my own thoughts and understanding is as Follows. There are 5 main beings in question here, God, Will of God, Veldanava, Ivarage, and Ramiris.

Ramiris I have no personal problem with being called an avatar, even though "apostle is more fitting"

Now the way I see it, Neither Ivarage nor Veldanava qualifies as "avatars of god" since that is simply false, they are simply 2 half of the "Will of god" " and "Will of God" is the actual avatar of "god".

 

[Berga14]

Are you considering changing the proposals regarding Ivaraj and Veldanava's relationship with God as mentioned by me and @Berga14?

I want to know this. If you are going to plan ignore these points, I will not waste my time, which is already very little, to follow this thread. Honestly say yes or no.

Also I agree with this. The part about Ramiris should also be rephrased.

I will say that while I agree with the overall proposal. I disagree with Calling Veldanava and Ivarage "avatars of god" as we have discussed multiple times over on Discord.

A quick summary of my own thoughts and understanding is as Follows. There are 5 main beings in question here, God, Will of God, Veldanava, Ivarage, and Ramiris.

Ramiris I have no personal problem with being called an avatar, even though "apostle is more fitting"

Now the way I see it, Neither Ivarage nor Veldanava qualifies as "avatars of god" since that is simply false, they are simply 2 half of the "Will of god" " and "Will of God" is the actual avatar of "god".

Mind that i'm not against them being avatars. "Avatar" is probably what describe them the best if we count the fact that God "wanted to experience change". But i'm against a tier 0 key for them. God profile should be completely separated from Veldenava and Ivarage.
So some sort of "unconventional avatars"? Like beings that are more "aware" of this God and were created for the purpose of "changing".
Dunno how to exactly name them. Still i don't think we should focus on a name to much but instead on their function because this crt is for a tier (of which i don't think Ivarage and Veldenava pose a problem regardless of being literal avatars or not) not for adding abilities.

As for Ramiris i like tier 0 hax the most, she isn't in the same situation as velda and ivarage.

Edit: the "Will of God" thing is logically right but it lacks quite a bit of proof.

 

[CodeCCLL]

Mind that i'm not against them being avatars. "Avatar" is probably what describe them the best if we count the fact that God "wanted to experience change".

You don't need to create an avatar to experience change. One can also experience change through a piece that breaks away from the unchanging whole.