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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

I forgot to add Star Palace's extradimensional range to the crt so I had to remove that part, it can be added later.
 
May I ask what happened to this thread?
Was it forgotten, or did something happen, and it's still locked?.

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TenSura WN Major Revision - Part 3 - Slime Verse Road to 1-A

Introduction Hello everyone, hope you are doing well. Lets try to keep this simple and clean. Note that I tried to keep all scans to the RAW only. However, for things that were repeated far too many times in the verse at different occasions, I think they wouldn't need RAW proof, especially...
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SpadeZ said:
May I ask what happened to this thread?
Was it forgotten, or did something happen, and it's still locked?.

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TenSura WN Major Revision - Part 3 - Slime Verse Road to 1-A

Introduction Hello everyone, hope you are doing well. Lets try to keep this simple and clean. Note that I tried to keep all scans to the RAW only. However, for things that were repeated far too many times in the verse at different occasions, I think they wouldn't need RAW proof, especially...
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Not forgotten
I didn't have the time to unlock and deal with it. Even more so, my imgur got banned again so... all the scans are not working.
 
091Franky said:
Do slimes have no feats for lifting strength? Class M for a low-1C character seems underwhelming
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That reminds me that I was supposed to search for feats like that

and hmm, technically, there's one character[not Rimuru] who can "lift anything he can grab ignoring lifting strength requirement" in the LN as well [its WN version was why WN Rimuru's LS is unknown]
 
Now that I think about it, would being able to stand under such gravity that a normal human cannot be counted as lifting strength? Like standing under a gravity equal to that of a sun?
 
Astral_Trinity439 said:
Now that I think about it, would being able to stand under such gravity that a normal human cannot be counted as lifting strength? Like standing under a gravity equal to that of a sun?
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It does.

Which reminds me:

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Planet Level Slime?

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This calculation here was forgotten, it looks like I made a mistake in the energy conversion for the AP, but the Z class seems to have no errors, I can correct it and limit it to pure lift force (Since no one is interested in small planet AP at this time) if you are still interested.
 
Astral_Trinity439 said:
Now that I think about it, would being able to stand under such gravity that a normal human cannot be counted as lifting strength? Like standing under a gravity equal to that of a sun?
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Afaik Standing under gravity should count unless he outright resists it via some skill.
Astral_Trinity439 said:
hmm, technically, there's one character[not Rimuru] who can "lift anything he can grab ignoring lifting strength requirement" in the LN as well [its WN version was why WN Rimuru's LS is unknown]
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Is he his subordinate? If not then current ln rimuru doesn't have all the skills from the verse, right?
 
091Franky said:
Is he his subordinate? If not then current ln rimuru doesn't have all the skills from the verse, right?
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No, but apparently, Raphael analyzed the skill so... we know Raphael can copy whatever it can analyze
091Franky said:
Afaik Standing under gravity should count unless he outright resists it via some skill.
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hmm, ig it should be fine then; Gravity Collapse creates the gravitational field of a literal black hole [artificial] that crushes everyone near by flattening them, yet Velgrynd was completely unaffected by it
This was Gravity Collapse, a type of nuclear magic. Boasting the most force among all the spells in its family, Gravity Collapse required both precise magic manipulation and an enormous amount of magicule energy. If the abyss core at its foundation was left unattended, it’d balloon in size until it triggered a Nuclear Flame—but in the forbidden Gravity Collapse spell, it was instead suppressed and compressed to create a super-gravitational field—in laypeople’s terms, an artificial black hole. This supercharged local gravitational field, created by the adverse reaction from the planet’s own magnetic fields, then crushed anyone caught inside into the size of a pebble. Needless to say, the effect on the imperial force was pretty tragic. With no advance warning, gravity suddenly began to flatten them; the troops were all pulverized, unable to bear even their own weight. Marching on open terrain proved to be their downfall; there was no way to escape the eyes of the demon. Over four-fifths of the force of nearly two hundred thousand was trapped within the magic’s sphere of influence.
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“Calling my lord a mere slime is extremely rude,” Carrera indignantly explained as she unleashed her own magic—Gravity Collapse, her closing move at the very start. She kept the size as small as possible, but that only further expanded its power. It was the greatest attack Carrera could summon right now, and it struck Velgrynd head-on while her attention was still on Testarossa. A pillar of black enveloped Velgrynd, connected from heaven to earth—a prison big enough for just one, offering no escape to its quarry.

But with a wry grin, Velgrynd remained supremely unconcerned within her hyper-gravity cell.
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Astral_Trinity439 said:
No, but apparently, Raphael analyzed the skill so... we know Raphael can copy whatever it can analyze

hmm, ig it should be fine then; Gravity Collapse creates the gravitational field of a literal black hole [artificial] that crushes everyone near by flattening them, yet Velgrynd was completely unaffected by it
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Yup this should work ig
 
Ngl, I am against making new "keys" just for Ultimate skills. The main reason of this is first, it breaks the current key standard for tensura profiles, where each key is an evolution(race). Second, Unique and skill users, can enhance their Unique and Ultimate skills authority in their other skills, magic and art. Making the separation of the "keys" kinda redundant... At most we could just add a 2nd tabber, under the race, they get their ultimate skill in, but I think it is best just to leave it to evolution keys.
 
You all still seem to misunderstand how Information type 2 works on Tensura.
In tensura we literally have information type 2 > Concept type 1

how is this not understandable ??

It does not necessarily mean character with just info type 2 can interact them. That is not how it works
 
I feel like we can add another wording to BDE1 of DLFs
Information Particle work in a different coordinate System that transcends the Laws of Space and Time, and resultantly do not trace a path through normal Space and Time like normal Spatio-temporal objects do, inasmuch as being capable of moving in the Suspended World that effects both Space and Time across all Worlds
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@Mizuki67 @CodeCCLL
 
Mizuki67 said:
You all still seem to misunderstand how Information type 2 works on Tensura.
In tensura we literally have information type 2 > Concept type 1

how is this not understandable ??

It does not necessarily mean character with just info type 2 can interact them. That is not how it works
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Whats the relationship between information and concept type 1 in tensura?

I thought information serves as the foundation of world and laws govern that world ,,,shouldn't that make laws superior to information?

I came to this discussion thread because i wanted to ask were the scan tha supports rimurus text manipulation came from,like which volume
 
The_golden_and_silver_house94 said:
Whats the relationship between information and concept type 1 in tensura?

I thought information serves as the foundation of world and laws govern that world ,,,shouldn't that make laws superior to information?
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Said laws are also essentially made of magicules.... which are conceptual in nature [Laws are equal to Concepts in tensura]

Information [and information particles] are something that exist at the heart of all matter[conventionally physical or not] and more fundamental then them.
 
The_golden_and_silver_house94 said:
So attributes are made of information?
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If we go by the fact that great spirits are essentially masses of magicules, yeah, because IP exist at the heart of all magicules

However, it might change later on, because it seems the phase of V21 was similar to Chapter 206~Chapter 248 to the extreme if we replace Yuuki with Feldway, so another side story [which the author confirmed in V17 that LN will have afterstories as well like WN] should change the fact on what is more fundamental, like it did in WN.
 
Thanks
Astral_Trinity439 said:
If we go by the fact that great spirits are essentially masses of magicules, yeah, because IP exist at the heart of all magicules

However, it might change later on, because it seems the phase of V21 was similar to Chapter 206~Chapter 248 to the extreme if we replace Yuuki with Feldway, so another side story [which the author confirmed in V17 that LN will have afterstories as well like WN] should change the fact on what is more fundamental, like it did in WN.
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Back to the main question
So which volume is this ?
 
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Slime vs Master Unit

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Rimuru_Tempest_(Light_Novel) https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Master_Unit:_Amaterasu Both at their strongest versions Speed Equalized SBA Battle takes place in an empty desert. I'm sure I will regret doing this
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@Astral_Trinity439 @Mizuki67 [https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/8790922]
(one of the examples)
Where exactly is the statement that True Dragons can destroy dimensions?

Just because True Dragons are stronger than Zalario does not mean they have the range to destroy dimensions containing Worlds. The dimensions of the Labyrinth of Ramiris also do not support a cosmological structure large enough to contain Worlds.

Additionally, characters comparable to or superior to True Dragons, such as Guy and Milim, do not necessarily have the range of True Dragons. You might find it logical to scale this considering that True Dragons do this with an energy release, but we don't know how Zalario destroys dimensions so Zalario's range cannot be scaled to any character.

So you need to explain yourself.
 
CodeCCLL said:
Where exactly is the statement that True Dragons can destroy dimensions?
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chain scaling
Considering Carrera's abyss annihilation, which massively upscales from Gravity collapse, should only take an amount of magicules that Carrera would have at the time, we can also scale Velgrynd higher via that since Gravity Collapse from Carrera wouldn't have even consumed a percent of Velgrynd's magicules.
That, and there was another limitation, related to how much damage each body could receive. If a body was deactivated without any damage, the user would regain 10 percent of their magicules. If it was damaged, however, the amount returned would be proportionally less depending on the extent of the damage. Rimuru had anticipated as much in his strategy, and in a sense, he was right—with the damage taken, Velgrynd had lost 5 percent of her magicules. By comparison, Gravity Collapse, the nuclear-level strike that required Carrera’s full force to unleash, wouldn’t even absorb 1 percent of Velgrynd’s magicule count. That was how much the True Dragons had to work with. ~ Volume 15
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Additionally, it was also stated that Velgrynd could create entire Dimensions
Diablo pondered a moment. “Well, all right. I will tell you the truth, then. You see, there is someone on the enemy side capable of controlling and manipulating alternate dimensions. I think it is likely Lady Velgrynd, but if you get caught in her trap, you may have all connections to this world taken away from you…” ~ Volume 15
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With that, Velgrynd spread her arms out and held them up to the sky. Then she activated what were called the Eight Impervious Gates. Each of them appeared in midair, lined up in the center between both sides of the war, and shrank down to the point where just one person could go through them at a time.
“This flagship,” Velgrynd explained, “has now been isolated inside an alternate dimension of my own creation. If you want to escape, you will have to destroy all eight of these Gates.” ~ Volume 15
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Abyss Annihilation could also destroy this Dimension
Kondo, meanwhile, detected the danger once Carrera began to invoke the skill, deploying Sandalphon before she made her final declaration. That quick assessment was Kondo’s forte, but this time, he had messed with the wrong opponent. Abyss Annihilation was an extremely large spell, one that could only work using Carrera’s absurd magic force, and its range was just as gigantic. If this weren’t another dimension, there was no telling how much damage it would cause. Kondo wondered if it could even destroy this entire dimension. If so—and if it was aimed at him, like it was now—anything in the line of fire would be obliterated. That was Kondo’s conclusion. And if this dimension was destroyed, it could even harm Emperor Rudra. His defenses were sound enough, yes, but this was an unprecedented attack. ~ Volume 15
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Considering that Guy is massively up Carrera in every stat, chain scaling him to it should be fine too.
CodeCCLL said:
Just because True Dragons are stronger than Zalario does not mean they have the range to destroy dimensions containing Worlds. The dimensions of the Labyrinth of Ramiris also do not support a cosmological structure large enough to contain Worlds.

Additionally, characters comparable to or superior to True Dragons, such as Guy and Milim, do not necessarily have the range of True Dragons. You might find it logical to scale this considering that True Dragons do this with an energy release, but we don't know how Zalario destroys dimensions so Zalario's range cannot be scaled to any character.
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The aura released from Guy and Milim had leaked into another dimension if I recall correctly, that should be enough supporting evidence
Velgrynd stated that she would be comparable to Guy
 
Astral_Trinity439 said:
Additionally, it was also stated that Velgrynd could create entire Dimensions
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There is no proof that this dimension contains multiple worlds. The assumption that each dimension contains multiple worlds should probably be removed from the cosmology page as well.

Anyway you have to expand all kinds of expressions and add scans because there is no part where True Dragons directly destroy dimensions, the lack of scans makes this look even worse.
 
CodeCCLL said:
There is no proof that this dimension contains multiple worlds. The assumption that each dimension contains multiple worlds should probably be removed from the cosmology page as well.
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Even so, Guy's and Milim's fight aftershock [aura] leaking into another dimension should be enough to give Guy that rating.
And, in any case, I removed the "each of them" part from the cosmology page.
CodeCCLL said:
Anyway you have to expand all kinds of expressions and add scans because there is no part where True Dragons directly destroy dimensions, the lack of scans makes this look even worse.
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I suppose yeah, aight.
 
CodeCCLL said:
@Astral_Trinity439 @Mizuki67 [https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/8790922]
(one of the examples)
Where exactly is the statement that True Dragons can destroy dimensions?

Just because True Dragons are stronger than Zalario does not mean they have the range to destroy dimensions containing Worlds. The dimensions of the Labyrinth of Ramiris also do not support a cosmological structure large enough to contain Worlds.

Additionally, characters comparable to or superior to True Dragons, such as Guy and Milim, do not necessarily have the range of True Dragons. You might find it logical to scale this considering that True Dragons do this with an energy release, but we don't know how Zalario destroys dimensions so Zalario's range cannot be scaled to any character.

So you need to explain yourself.
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There was a quote that mention how the aggresors were able to conquer and destroy dimensions over time because they were scanning outside their universe
 
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There was a quote that mention how the aggresors were able to conquer and destroy dimensions over time.
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Tensura AP upgrade: for all tops(Read the crt)

disclaimer -please before arguing read the crt PLEASE this upgrade thread is using the translated volume, i will also add future volumes feat, Note; No matter how bad or off the translation of the future volume will be twisted the feat i will represent will still not alter additionally i will...
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It should probably explain how zelanus was able to destroy many dimensions over time and true dragon scales above them
 
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