Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken (Light Novel) Tier 1 Scaling

[CodeCCLL]

Introduction

In this thread, we explain the changes that will occur on the pages if each "World" in the Light Novel continuity in the Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken series is Low 1-C.

Low 1-C Worlds are accepted here and with this explanation blog.

Spoiler: Thread and Explanation Blog

Tensura LN Cosmology Upgrade Tier 1 (Retry)

Spoiler: So basically our previous thread did not end really well because it was pretty messy The reason why i made this thread again is because I believe that Tensura could have a hypertimeline...

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CodeCCLL/TSSDK Timelines & Hypertimelines Explanation

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New cosmology page according to Low 1-C Worlds.

Astral Trinity439/Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Cosmology Explanation (Light Novel)

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Notable changes outside of Low 1-C Worlds and their scalings.

Spoiler: Hax Potancy relationship with Great Spirits

Great Spirits

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Additionally, in-verse mechanics like Magic and Skills that utilize (manipulate) them (on different levels), they would get an equivalent Hax Potency to Great Spirit's existence.

Spoiler: Subspace

Subspace

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By its sheer nature, Subspace can perform Existence Erasure or BFR to anyone inside it.

Spoiler: Ramiris Labyrinth Scaling

The Labyrinth

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Labyrinth Scaling: Even Higher at Low 1-C (Upscaling from regular dimensions; each floor upscales from the previous floor.

Note: The sections about the dimensions containing Worlds isolated within the Ramiris Labyrinth have been removed because the Ramiris Labyrinth does not have expressions that would support such a cosmological structure.

Changes in characters pages.

Spoiler: Characters Scaling

All characters currently scaled to worlds should be updated to Low 1-C with no change in scaling.

Additionally:
Characters that should have an Ultimate Skill on their profile.
[Shion, Masayuki, Shuna]
Characters that should have an Disintegration on their profile.
[Saare, Reynald]
Spritual Lifeforms who can perform this feat: Some Spiritual Lifeforms could boost it's energy to produce an Ultimate-equivalent affect)
[Ranga, Gobuta (Fused with Ranga)]

Spiritual Lifeforms dimensional travel and non-combat applicable immortality type 9's will be updated to the newly added "extradimensional" range to the wiki.

• (Non-Combat Applicable Type 9; Extradimensional [5D] - Spiritual Lifeforms can manifest from otherworlds with their split bodies connected to their main body through the soul corridor using gates that compatible their EP value[6])
• Dimensional Travel (Extradimensional [5D]; Spiritual Lifeforms can travel through worlds[19])

Spoiler: Other Changes

•Adds an Ultimate Skill key (separated from base key) to all Ultimate Skill users who reach the True Dragon level through their Ultimate Skill.
•"At least Low 1-C rating for Veldanava's God key.
(It is the omnipotent form of Veldanava, the True Dragon who created countless Worlds)
•Chloe's range will be changed to interdimensional instead of universal+.
(Instead of rewriting the world, it should be noted that she shift to another timeline instead)

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Introduction

We're just discussing all the changes Tier 1 Worlds will bring to the profiles.

I then edit the OP to include all the changes and finally we call the staff to confirm the changes.

CodeCCLL/TSSDK Timelines & Hypertimelines Explanation

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Tensura LN Cosmology Upgrade Tier 1 (Retry)

Spoiler: So basically our previous thread did not end really well because it was pretty messy The reason why i made this thread again is because I believe that Tensura could have a hypertimeline...

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Should also add this stuff since Qawsedf agreed to this analogy.
Anyways, some mistakes in the blog in the translation, prolly because you're using the direct MTL version which has many errors.
Can I replace the translations with better translations that we used in the previous CRT from here, and here?


With that, I'll be listing the profiles affected:
Rimuru, Luminous, Dino, Milim, Ramiris, Guy, Veldora, Velgrynd, Veldanava, Chloe, Granbell, Hinata, Gobuta[Fused key], Souei, Shuna, Diablo, Carrera, Benimaru, Geld, Gabiru, Range, Adalman, Yuuki, Voice of the World, Beretta

Characters that should have an Ultimate Skill[and thus a Low 1-C rating] on their profile but don't:
Shion, Masayuki, Shuna
Characters that can use Disintegration and thus should have a Low 1-C rating, but don't even have a Low 2-C rating:
Saare, Reynald
Additionally, a possibility of some Spiritual Lifeforms gaining the rating via this[they can bring out an Ultimate effect temporarily:

Additional changes:
Spiritual Lifeforms would get Low 1-C Dimensional Travel and Immortality Type 9[Non-combat applicable].
That's all I can find for now
God-grade Equipment [capable of harming those with Ultimate Skills, such as Hinata's God grade sword harming Rimuru and, at the start, penetrating his defense of Uriel.

 

[Mizuki67]

Additional changes:
Spiritual Lifeforms would get Low 1-C Dimensional Travel and Immortality Type 9[Non-combat applicable].
That's all I can find for now

Things to fix in Tensura Light Novel (Part 1)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Mizuki67/sandbox100 New key for Ranga and Gobta + tier 2 rating for them From here:https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Species_(Tensei_Shitara_Slime_Datta_Ken) Dimensional Travel should be updated on every profile's that has spiritual lifeform physiology...

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There is an ongoing thread regarding this btw and this is just extradimensional range

 

[Mizuki67]

However it should be noted that the Cardinal world and its planet is very special in terms of durability and it is protected by Veldanava power as far as I recalled. That is why Feldway power was only limited to being able to destroy the universe and its entire timeline rather than the world.

Planet protected by Veldanava power


Some buildings protected by Veldanava power


All from Volume 20

Fuse in an interview also mentioned that people like Guy can easily destroy the World if he want to same goes to most characters that scale to world or dimension destruction but they probably won't do it in character. This is a reminder that tensura scaling is legit

「転スラ」の10年がわかる10周年記念書籍「転スラX」特集｜dアニメストア

「転スラ」の10年がわかる10周年記念書籍「転スラX」特集

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――リムルを中心に描かれている物語だからこそ、激しい戦いがあっても温かく見えるけど、その外側の世界は厳しいという温度差。改めて、「転スラ」はリムルの物語なんだな、と思います。

伏瀬そうですね。ギィなんかはひとりで世界を滅ぼせるけど、しないんですよ。なぜなら、それに意味がないから。意味がないことをするキャラがあまり出てこないのが「転スラ」だと思っています。


-Because the story is centered on Rimuru, even when there are fierce battles, it appears warm, but the temperature difference is that the world outside of it is harsh. Once again, I think that “Tensura” is the story of Rimuru.

Fuse: Yes. Guy could destroy the world by himself, but he doesn't. Because there is no meaning in it. I think “Tensura” is a story in which there are not many characters who do meaningless things.


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Counter Arguments and Common Misunderstandings

Isnt the Cardinal World and the Labyrinth exist in the same place ? This thing has been bothering with me since

Answer: No, because you see there is also something called the gap between dimensions or sub space that contains dimensions in Tensura so they are seperate from the Cardinal World timeline and they are not affected by its destruction since that place is disconnected from Cardinal World it self which has been proven quite a number of times in this page. Labyrinth Dimensions depends on Ramiris, if she is gone or killed then the labyrinth is really gone for good of course . However, new dimensions can still be created by Ramiris skill even if she exists from another timeline of the Cardinal World. To put it simply the Labyrinth dimension is not part of the Cardinal World because they exist in the subspace also known as the strange place between dimensions. We know that Dimensions in Tensura exists many of them in the subspace proven in Velgrynd travel when she is drifting the strange place between unbounded by the restriction of time.

The dimensions of the labyrinth as mentioned in the thread, these dimensions and the worlds it possesses shouldn't have to qualify for Low 1-C, since if we analyze it well, this is inside such a world that qualifies for L1-C, plus it took arguments from this part of the verse to get the L1-C

Answer: If you are talking about the size it won't really even matter, because temporality is independent of physical size regardless of whether "Space" is infinite or finite, as long as they have a time dimension it is a space-time. The only reason why the labyrinth dimensions has a size is because of Ramiris Dimensional Manipulation, Size Manipulation, and Spatial Manipulation. You can also think of it as a 5D reality that could have its structure in it. In addition, durability matters which means something that is not Low 1-C in size can still be Low 1-C in durability.

 

[CodeCCLL]

MTL version which has many errors

Change it then.

Additionally, a possibility of some Spiritual Lifeforms gaining the rating via this[they can bring out an Ultimate effect temporarily:

We cannot add such a rating to the profiles of characters who are not shown to do this. This should simply be added as a stat amplification to Spiritual Lifeforms physiology.

I would also like to point out that for every profile that is not physically Low 1-C but is Low 1-C with Ultimate Skills, I plan add an extra Low 1-C key and have the Ultimate Skill abilities in that key.

Finally, since Voice of the Worlds is Low 1-C, everything that affects the World and World Laws must have 5D hax potential.

I will write a note about this, but just to little talk about how it will happen.

•Fire created by magic is 3D but if someone wants to prevent fire being created by magic they will need 5D power nullification.
•Shion's causality manipulation and fate manipulation are 5D, but with these abilities, if she adds the effect of being able to cut everything to her sword, this does not mean that she can cut 5D things.
•Abilities like Velgrynd's space-time continuous strike, Dino's Ultimate Skill, or Suspended World are straight up 5D.

I'll talk later about how many Low 1-C structures the characters stats will scale into.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Change it then.

Aright, I just wanted to ask since it was your sandbox

There is an ongoing thread regarding this btw and this is just extradimensional range

Well, it can be covered here as well.

Fuse in an interview also mentioned that people like Guy can easily destroy the World if he want to same goes to most characters that scale to world or dimension destruction but they probably won't do it in character. This is a reminder that tensura scaling is legit

However, it should be noted that we do not know what level of construct he meant by "World", so it should be up for discussion before, since well, we know Feldway couldn't destroy more then a single universe in the cardinal world. So the author might be referring to the cardinal "Universe" there instead.

Regardless, it would still scale to Low 1-C since even the planet in CW > Entire Dimensions[Chain-scale from Milim and Zalario]

We cannot add such a rating to the profiles of characters who are not shown to do this. This should simply be added as a stat amplification to Spiritual Lifeforms physiology.

I'm fine with that, I did say it would be a possible rating.

I would also like to point out that for every profile that is not physically Low 1-C but is Low 1-C with Ultimate Skills, I plan add an extra Low 1-C key and have the Ultimate Skill abilities in that key.

I'm fine with that, since it improves not only the quality but also the narrative structure of the profile. We shouldn't have continuous ratings like "6-B/A, Low 1-C via Ultimate Skill", and just divide the 6-B/6-A and Low 1-C ratings into separate keys to avoid confusion.

Finally, since Voice of the Worlds is Low 1-C, everything that affects the World and World Laws must have 5D hax potential.

Yep

•Fire created by magic is 3D but if someone wants to prevent fire being created by magic they will need 5D power nullification.

Yes. Although, Magic boasted by Ultimate Skills [such as when Rimuru fused his Ultimate Skill in Sound Canon{if that was the name}, it would harm Veldora.

•Shion's causality manipulation and fate manipulation are 5D, but with these abilities, if she adds the effect of being able to cut everything to her sword, this does not mean that she can cut 5D things.

Agree. Although, I think we could add a special rating since she did something like that against Dagruel, but as we know it, that was limited to during Suspended World.

•Abilities like Velgrynd's space-time continuous strike, Dino's Ultimate Skill, or Suspended World are straight up 5D.

Agreed

I'll talk later about how many Low 1-C structures the characters stats will scale into.

You mean something like how many layers into Low 1-C? [like layers into 2-A]

 

[CodeCCLL]

Magic boasted by Ultimate Skills [such as when Rimuru fused his Ultimate Skill in Sound Canon{if that was the name}, it would harm Veldora.

Veldora is not a higher dimensional being, just his durability can tank of attacks that can destroy higher dimensional structures.

"Hax Potancy" refers to the dimensionality of an ability. Since the new tiering system, the "power/potency" section on our "hax" page is out of date, but you still need to read that page to understand how it works.

think we could add a special rating since she did something like that against Dagruel,

I don't know what feat you are talking about here, but as I said, a hax that could damage Dagruel would not be a 5D directly, it would depend on the mechanism of the ability.

You mean something like how many layers into Low 1-C? [like layers into 2-A]

I wouldn't describe it as layers. Just like in Tier 2, Tier 1 is differentiated from each other depending on the number of Low 1-C structures that characters can significantly affect with.

For example: Like a Veldanava and VOTW scale to countless Low 1-C structures, while Zalario scale to a few Low 1-C structures. Of course, these characters will not be at the same level.

Yet another example: There is a huge gap between the range of Velgrynd, who also has a range on the scale of countless Low 1-C structures, and the range of another character, who has a range on the scale of a single Low 1-C structure.

 

[Mizuki67]

Btw does this mean that Digital Lifeforms Immeasurable Speed will also be 5D ? They are moving on 5D time right ?

 

[Tempestdragon6]

Btw does this mean that Digital Lifeforms Immeasurable Speed will also be 5D ? They are moving on 5D time right ?

it will be i guess

 

[Mizuki67]

it will be i guess

Well the reason I think this is because they are using a higher form of time to travel or move

 

[CodeCCLL]

Btw does this mean that Digital Lifeforms Immeasurable Speed will also be 5D ? They are moving on 5D time right ?

Do note that no one has ever reached the end of space and time, and it is only possible to reach like when someone was sent out beyond space and time or sent out by the Strange Place when traveling between dimensions.[12] For this though, it is possible that Rimuru/Ciel used "Soul Corridor" to deliver information to Shuna by last resort before he reach the end of space and time where the connection was cut off[12] This is proven here as Soul Corridor can form a connection no matter where they are in space and time. As we all know, if anyone is stuck at the end of space and time there would be no returning to the main timeline otherwise Rimuru would have previously used his Physiology to travel back to the timeline which does not make sense. The only reason Rimuru escaped from there is because he use the space time distortion path and use Time Leap

You need to debunk yours explanation on your own blog for the Low 1-C range and 5D immeasurable speeds of Digital Lifeforms/information particles.

 

[Mizuki67]

You need to debunk yours explanation on your own blog for the Low 1-C range and 5D immeasurable speeds of Digital Lifeforms/information particles.

Well uh tbh I think Rimuru already travelled back during that time. I kinda wrote this without doing research.

I will just go ahead and delete the range part on my blog since there is no revision for it

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Veldora is not a higher dimensional being, just his durability can tank of attacks that can destroy higher dimensional structures.

"Hax Potancy" refers to the dimensionality of an ability. Since the new tiering system, the "power/potency" section on our "hax" page is out of date,
Hmm, I thought Hax capable of effecting someone with X-dimensional dura would have X-dimensional potency.

but you still need to read that page to understand how it works.

Alright

I don't know what feat you are talking about here, but as I said, a hax that could damage Dagruel would not be a 5D directly, it would depend on the mechanism of the ability.

Shion's ability works via manipulating the "Law of Causality" part of the Set of Laws of the World, that should be 5D, no? Since Skills are essentially something that work by manipulating the laws governing the entire world.

I wouldn't describe it as layers. Just like in Tier 2, Tier 1 is differentiated from each other depending on the number of Low 1-C structures that characters can significantly affect with.

Hmm, I see.

For example: Like a Veldanava and VOTW scale to countless Low 1-C structures, while Zalario scale to a few Low 1-C structures.

I think Zalario should scale to higher too, since we know a dimension contains countless/numerous other worlds, so many that Velgrynd was at disbelief.

Of course, these characters will not be at the same level.

Yep

Yet another example: There is a huge gap between the range of Velgrynd, who also has a range on the scale of countless Low 1-C structures, and the range of another character, who has a range on the scale of a single Low 1-C structure.

Yeah.

Btw does this mean that Digital Lifeforms Immeasurable Speed will also be 5D ? They are moving on 5D time right ?

Yeah. Or maybe it could be even more, since... since well, Digital Lifeforms are explicitly stated to "work on a different coordinate system" and can thus "reach any point in Space and Time in 0 time where said coordinate system governs "All Worlds".

One might say, doesn't that technically mean DLFs should be able to move to End of the World and reverse without "Space-Time Leap"?
Well, no. DLF's movement system is a "Coordinate System" where they treat both "Space" and "Time" as something below another axis[coordinate system] that encompasses all the Space and Time across all Worlds. However, this coordinate system is not something like "an additional time dimension", it doesn't span "snapshots" of whatever it encompasses in the temporal sense [so a point in time that is nonexistent/destroyed remains not accessible], its more like this, in fact, they would be something exactly like this in terms of their movement system.

 

[CodeCCLL]

Shion's ability works via manipulating the "Law of Causality" part of the Set of Laws of the World, that should be 5D, no? Since Skills are essentially something that work by manipulating the laws governing the entire world.

Yes.

I think Zalario should scale to higher too, since we know a dimension contains countless/numerous other worlds, so many that Velgrynd was at disbelief.

No, there are countless/numerous Worlds in alternative dimensions.



There are only a few Worlds in a single dimension.


I remember we clarified here that the raw expressions of the expressions were like this.

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This seems to me like an anti-feat that cannot be contradicted. So I say no to that.

 

[CodeCCLL]

By the way, I don't think moving independently of a secondary temporal axis is faster than normal immeasurable speed. It's probably just a matter of range.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

No, there are countless/numerous Worlds in alternative dimensions.

I think you're misunderstanding something here. The point where Velgrynd said "numerous" or "so many", she was inside the "Space between unknown Worlds", that'll obviously be inside a specific dimension.

Raws:
ヴェルグリンドが最初に跳んだのは、どことも知れぬ異界の狭 はざ 間 ま だった。 そこで時間に囚われず、己の内面と向き合った。そうする事で、究極能力 アルティメットスキル 『炎神之王 クトゥグア 』を、完全に自分 のものとしたのである。

Quick Translation:
Velgrynd's first leap was into the space between unknown worlds. There, unconstrained by the limitations of time, Velgrynd faced her inner self. By doing so, she was able to make her ultimate skill, “Cthugha, Lord of Divine Flames,” completely her own.

Fan Translation from Slimereader:
Velgrynd took her first leap into the strange space between unknown worlds. There, she found herself unbounded by time and confronted her inner self. By doing so, she made the Ultimate Skill ‘Divine Flame King Cthugha’ completely her own.

The Kanji is "異界の狭 はざ 間".

異界 -> Other Worlds
の狭 はざ -> Narrow Space
間 -> Between

So the "so many" worlds were inside a specific dimension. And from Volume 15:

The place she flew to after leaving Rimuru was another world, in another time. Feldway had sent her Parallel Existence to the rift between this world and that one, and she safely reintegrated herself with it right there.

This was a planet without any land, much less an atmosphere, and Velgrynd was stranded on it without any sense of time at all. She would have died instantly if she wasn’t a True Dragon, but she had both Dominate Space and an infinite lifespan.

She had time to think before she found refuge. Her thinking had almost stopped entirely after all the unbelievable events that occurred to her; there was just too much information to process. But being adrift in another dimension helped her regain her composure, too.
Volume 15, Epilogue

Note that the "Planet without land" is a mistranslation. The RAWs are:
大気どころか大地すらないその場所で、ヴェルグリンドは時間の感覚も なく漂流するはめになったのである。
The correct translation would be:
In a place without atmosphere or even earth, Vergrynd was forced to drift without any sense of time.
The Kanji is "場所", which means Place, but the OTL mistranslated it as "Planet". Anyone can see the nonsense by the sheer phrase "Planet without land, much less an atmosphere".

I remember we clarified here that the raw expressions of the expressions were like this.

There, Velgrynd stated that "there are other-dimensional worlds" or "worlds residing in alternate dimensions", it didn't say she was in a space between dimensions, nor did it say that the "so many" worlds that she was actually perceiving were from different dimensions, unless you wanna say that she was multi-dimensional perception range?

This seems to me like an anti-feat that cannot be contradicted. So I say no to that.

I'm not sure what you're referring to by "Anti-feat", but it seems you're using the old direct MTL which had countless errors. Here's a TL by me taking into consideration the kanji as well:

この色すらもない、だだっ広いだけの空間が、〝時空の果て〟だとか言われてもピンとこないの だ。
It was hard to understand that this unnecessarily vast, colorless, but empty space is the “End of Time and Space”.

Spoiler: Translation Notes

The Kanji for "Unnecessarily Vast" is "だだっ広い", which means "Unduly Vast", "Unduly" means something whose extent is unknown. I think unnecessary fits it.
The Kani for "Colorless" is "色すらもない"
色 -> Color
すらも -> Even
ない -> Not have
Collectively, Not even have colors, or, Colorless in short
The Kanji for "Empty Space" is "空間" "空" means "Empty"/"Null", "間" means "Space".

この場所では時間も流れていなかった。それなのに〝停止世界〟と違って、〝情報子〟を操作して も空間の広がりすら感知する事が出来なかったのだ。
Time did not flow in here. And yet, in contrast to the “Suspended World,” we could not even perceive the expansion of space even if we manipulated the “information particle".

《はい。この場所では、時の流れも止まっています。そして空間の広がりは終息し、エントロピー の法則に従い虚無へと至りました》
《Yes. In this place, the flow of time has ceased to exist. The spreading of space has come to an end, and in accordance to the law of entropy, we have reached the point of emptiness.》

By the way, I don't think moving independently of a secondary temporal axis is faster than normal immeasurable speed, but let me question aanyway. t's probably just a matter of range.

Yep, its not really "faster", just range. And I don't think its a secondary "Temporal Axis", its just a different coordinate system.

One thing I learned watching them is that, as we suspected, data particles do move at a set speed all the time. That allowed conversation to work just fine, and I perceived my vision at a uniform pace as well. It seemed to be a set physical phenomenon, much like how matter can never exceed the speed of light.

So how come data particles could go past light speed, then? Because it wasn’t outpacing light in “speed,” exactly. Data particles exist on a different coordinate system, which allows them to transfer information with each other with zero time lag. No matter what the distance, if data particles exist within your perceived space, there’ll never be any lag. In other words, these particles transcend the laws of time and space, and the transfer of information through them enabled us to converse with each other.

Also, I replaced the translations in the sandbox with better ones, improved the formatting to make it more readable, and added a few more scans to support it.
I'll also soon try to make a summarized wording that we can use in place of the current wording in the Cosmology Explanation page.

 

[CodeCCLL]

The point where Velgrynd said "numerous" or "so many", she was inside the "Space between unknown Worlds", that'll obviously be inside a specific dimension.

I don't see anything to prove this. It makes much more sense that there are multiple Worlds within each dimension, and that there are countless Worlds in the sum of the alternative dimensions.

 

[CodeCCLL]

There, Velgrynd stated that "there are other-dimensional worlds" or "worlds residing in alternate dimensions", it didn't say she was in a space between dimensions, nor did it say that the "so many" worlds that she was actually perceiving were from different dimensions, unless you wanna say that she was multi-dimensional perception range?

How do you think Velgrynd discovered that there are different Worlds in alternate dimensions? Velgrynd could of course travel to different dimensions.

it seems you're using the old direct MTL

Can you tag me and share the translations that you believe are the corrected versions on discord?

But it doesn't matter, raw says the same thing. In scan, it is implied that even information particles aren't functional at the end of space-time, so it seems impossible for a piece of information at the end of space-time to travel through the hypertimeline. This supports that there is no return from the end of space-time without the Time Warp.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

I don't see anything to prove this. It makes much more sense that there are multiple Worlds within each dimension, and that

There are multiple words in each dimension, yes, but on regards to how much is "Multiple" in context? It's "so many that Velgrynd was in disbelief", tho does not necessarily mean its "countless", just "so many".
The line was:

同一世界は一つであり、並列世界パラレルワールドなど存在しない。だがしかし、別次元世界アナザーワールドは存在しているのである。
A single world is unique, and there is no such thing as parallel worlds. However, there do exist other worlds in alternate dimensions.
{Translator's Note: In this line, the "Other words in other dimensions" has the Kanji "別次元世界", which means "Other-Dimensional Worlds".
別 -> Another/Other
次元 -> Dimensional
世界 -> World

〝異世界人〟がいたので、その事実は把握していた。しかし、これほどまでに多様な世界があるなどと、ヴェルグリンドは想像すらしていなかった。
I was aware of this fact because there were “otherworldly people. However, Vergrind had never imagined that there were so many different worlds.
Here, the Kanji is "多様な世界"

多様な -> Diversity [Of Something]
世界 -> Worlds
There's no "Other-Dimensional" here.

there are countless Worlds in the sum of the alternative dimensions.

This much is fine.

How do you think Velgrynd discovered that there are different Worlds in alternate dimensions? Velgrynd could of course travel to different dimensions.

Valid, I suppose.

Can you tag me and share the translations that you believe are the corrected versions on discord?

Sure, but I'm translating these myself, the ones I give the raws for, at least. For important terms, I use dictionary to known their exact meaning. For example, something like "別次元世界" when put into some translators may result in "Another world, another dimension", and many other translations, so I usually go with the one that makes the most sense both grammatically, and from the meaning of their kanji.

In any case, I'm doing a sub-project since a few days of translating the entire V21 in my free time, since slimereader is taking so long....

In scan, it is implied that even information particles aren't functional at the end of space-time, so it seems impossible for a piece of information at the end of space-time to travel through the hypertimeline.

Yeah, well, here's the thing.
The "Coordinate System" the Information particles travel to simply covers "All of Time and Space across all worlds", however, it doesn't really act as an additional "temporal axis" where snapshots of the entire thing it encompasses are produced, no. It's just something that allows them to treat both Space and Time as the same, so they can travel in time just like they can travel in space. That does not mean, however, that they can travel to a "Time" that does not exist.

Just like I said before, its vastly similar to this

Speed: Immeasurable (Bulk beings are unbound by anything like infinite time and space and see all of the past and future as a lower dimension which they exist outside of and can physically interact with at any point)

Its something like being able to move inside a bigger box[the coordinate system] that encompasses smaller boxes[other worlds], so the IP can access any of those "boxes", but if, lets assume, Box A[other world] does not exist to begin with, it cannot travel to that box, since there's no "box A" to begin with.
That is also what the novel says:

So how come data particles could go past light speed, then? Because it wasn’t outpacing light in “speed,” exactly. Data particles exist on a different coordinate system, which allows them to transfer information with each other with zero time lag. No matter what the distance, if data particles exist within your perceived space, there’ll never be any lag. In other words, these particles transcend the laws of time and space, and the transfer of information through them enabled us to converse with each other.

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時間というのは、限定空間だけを流れているものではない。ありとあらゆる世界の時間と空間に影響を及ぼすのが〝停止世界〟という訳だな。
Time is not something that flows only in a bounded space. “Suspended World” affects the time and space across all worlds.

In other words, these particles need the existence of other particles or sets of "Information" that are "perceivable"[existent] to travel to the "location" of those other particles.
So their coordinate system is not a temporal one where they travel to past or future instances as in travelling in time, but more of a "bulk" type where time itself is considered the same as space.

 

[CodeCCLL]

There are multiple words in each dimension, yes, but on regards to how much is "Multiple" in context? It's "so many that Velgrynd was in disbelief", tho does not necessarily mean its "countless", just "so many

Velgrynd is an extraordinary genius, and a number of universes that even she cannot comprehend would already be too many, and the fact that the Ramiris Labyrinth is surrounded by countless other dimensional Worlds suggests that there are a total of countless Worlds in alternate dimensions.

In other words, these particles need the existence of other particles or sets of "Information" that are "perceivable"[existent] to travel to the "location" of those other particles

Hmm, I didn't consider this. Then forget the part that I thought was an anti-feat.

But I'm not still sure about that, but if you insist, I'd add arguments to the OP that you think they have a Low 1-C range for information particles.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

Velgrynd is an extraordinary genius, and a number of universes that even she cannot comprehend would already be too many, and the fact that the Ramiris Labyrinth is surrounded by countless other dimensional Worlds suggests that there are a total of countless Worlds in alternate dimensions.

Who has better perception? Her or Diablo? If it is her. Is it possible to use Diablo feats of what he could count in order to narrow down on how many “too many” is?

Hmm, I didn't consider this. Then forget the part that I thought was an anti-feat.

But I'm not still sure about that, but if you insist, I'd add arguments to the OP that you think they have a Low 1-C range for information particles.

 

[CodeCCLL]

Who has better perception?

In terms of the distance it can detect? Or as intelligence? From what is shown, of course Velgrynd for the first and Diablo for the second.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

But I'm not still sure about that, but if you insist, I'd add arguments to the OP that you think they have a Low 1-C range for information particles.

Well, we do consider "Worlds" to be low 1-C now, so naturally the range would be Low 1-C. Tho I suppose it'd be best to add something like a "Limitations" section stating how they cannot move to places in space or time that do not exist to begin with.

 

[Mizuki67]

One thing I want to ask

If Ultimate Skill users are able to have a deep understand regarding tier 1 Laws would this mean they should be rated as super genius over a tier 1 construct

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

In terms of the distance it can detect? Or as intelligence? From what is shown, of course Velgrynd for the first and Diablo for the second.

I was going to say sum but I probably shouldn’t so it isn’t considered wank. Diablo could sense infinity so the amount of other worlds is even bigger than infinity since velgrynd couldn’t sense how many there were

 

[CodeCCLL]

If Ultimate Skill users are able to have a deep understand regarding tier 1 Laws would this mean they should be rated as super genius

Tier 1/2 doesn't matter, at least basic infinity (High 3-A) scale are required.
So that's not something this thread deals with.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

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I'm writing a new wording for the entire cosmology page. Should I keep it the same as the old format[everything inside a tabber] or change it to how cosmology pages are usually made? Example.
Also, added this:

God-grade Equipment [capable of harming those with Ultimate Skills, such as Hinata's God grade sword harming Rimuru and, at the start, penetrating his defense of Uriel.

 

[CodeCCLL]

God-grade Equipment [capable of harming those with Ultimate Skills, such as Hinata's God grade sword harming Rimuru and, at the start, penetrating his defense of Uriel.

I don't know where this came from, but add the scans and we'll see later.

cosmology pages are usually made? Example.

If you are going to use quotes

Should I keep it the same as the old format[everything inside a tabber]

If you are not going to use quotes

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

If you are not going to use quotes

Hmm, this one would be more convenient, so I'll go with this one.

I don't know where this came from, but add the scans and we'll see later.

k, will do it later.

 

[CodeCCLL]

Sure, but I'm translating these myself, the ones I give the raws for, at least

Apart from the kanji explanations, are there any other translations you made in the scans you added to the explanation blog?

I need to know this because wiki standards require a neutral wiki translator to translate/check such things before using them on pages.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Apart from the kanji explanations, are there any other translations you made in the scans you added to the explanation blog?

All the ones from Volume 21 were from me, yeah[tho all of them were those that I already used in the thread].
Other than that, this last scan is translated by me, and this one too, but I left the kanji explanation for the main terms below the source of both the scans.

Those were all, all the other Volume 11, Volume 12, and Volume 17 scans are from OTL or Slimereader.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Astral Trinity439/Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Cosmology Explanation (Light Novel)

vsbattles.fandom.com

This is almost finished. Great Spirit and Subspace part won't take much time since I already have the scans with me. But Labyrinth one is taking some time

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

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So.... how should we add this?

――ヴェルグリンドには空間移動能力があります。並列空間にも移動できますが、その力で他の世界に影響を与えたりすることはあるんですか？
--Vergrind has the ability to move to different spaces. She can even move to parallel spaces, but does her power ever affect other worlds?
{{The Kanji for Parallel "Spaces" used here is "空間", which normally just means "Spaces", but I feel like "Dimensions" would be more appropriate given the following context that it effects Other Worlds}}

伏瀬 : 厳密に言えばあります。でも一応制御はしてるので、影響を出さないようにしていると思います。それこそヴェルザードだったら、そんなの気にしないでしょうね。相手の世界が壊れようが関係なしと思う可能性が高い。このふたりの間には、気配りができる人とできない人の明確な違いがありますね。
Fuse : Strictly speaking, yes, it does. But I think she does have a counter-measure in place so that it doesn't affect them. That's the difference, if it was Velzard, I don't think she would care about that. It is very likely that she would think it doesn't matter if the other person's world is destroyed or not. There's a clear difference between the two of them: one is considerate and the other is not.

 

[CodeCCLL]

So.... how should we add this?

I didn't understand what you meant.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I don't understand why creating a new key would be necessary?

 

[Mizuki67]

So.... how should we add this?

I guess you can consider those spaces as different dimensions if what fuse said in the interview is true

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

I didn't understand what you meant.

you know what, forget it. I was thinking of something like branching multiverse for "each plane of existence", but it got too confusing, so I left it.

I guess you can consider those spaces as different dimensions if what fuse said in the interview is true

Well, that's the thing, if what Fuse said there was really referring to Dimensions, then that means "Parallel Dimensions" also exist... [like parallel universes of a world]

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

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On another note, given that Light and Darkness are directly called Yin and Yang that give birth to many other connections, what type of Nonduality should GS of Time have?

 

[Berga14]

On another note, given that Light and Darkness are directly called Yin and Yang that give birth to many other connections, what type of Nonduality should GS of Time have?

Probably just type 1, unless we have some other info about the other "connections"

 

[Sebas-S.P-san]

On another note, given that Light and Darkness are directly called Yin and Yang that give birth to many other connections, what type of Nonduality should GS of Time have?

If it had more context it could be type 2, but I only see type 1.