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Attacking beyond space-time is why Anos is getting immeasurable right now.In my opinion, Space-time continuous is more treated as Immortality Type 6 and 9 pseudo-negation; it will attack the character's true-self regardless of distance as long as the substituent is hit.
But it’s also in Rimuru’s imaginary space, outside of time and space, so shouldn’t it be Immeasurable?Pretty much what Elizhaa said, Veldora's memories transcend space-time so he can't truly be harmed, Velgrynd attacks the Veldora clone, and his true self gets hit too despite transcending space-time.
More a range feat than speed, as it's been treated for years now, with multiple discussions on it from what i remember.
The LN might be different, but in the WN at least i don't think it's immeasurable speed.
Its more because the spear flies across space and time via sheer speed. The transcendence bit is just supporting it.Attacking beyond space-time is why Anos is getting immeasurable right now.
Is this not the same? It’s stated to be beyond space and time.Its more because the spear flies across space and time via sheer speed. The transcendence bit is just supporting it.
After leaving Rimuru, Velgrynd flew to a world beyond time, where he was safely reunited with 'Parallel Existence', which had been sent to Feldway, in an unknown space between worlds.
In that place, where there is no atmosphere or even earth, Velgrynd was forced to drift without any sense of time.
If Velgrynd had not been a "True Dragon," she might have died in that place. However, she had 'Spatial Domination' and an infinite lifespan.
She had plenty of time to think before she reached a place of refuge, and Velgrynd's thoughts were nearly stopped by the unbelievable events that had happened to her.
Full Japanese?あの時、Rimuru と別れて飛んだ先は、時間すらも超えた異世界であった。Feldway に飛ばされた‘Parallel Existence ’と無事に再統合したのは、どことも知れぬ異界の狭間(はざま)だったのだ。
大気どころか大地すらないその場所で、Velgrynd は時間の感覚もなく漂流するはめになったのである。
Velgrynd が“True Dragon ”でなかったら、その場所で野垂れ死んでいたかも知れない。けれど彼女には、‘Spatial Domination ’と無限の寿命があった。
寄る辺となる場所に辿り着くまでの間、考える時間だけは豊富にあった。Velgrynd は、自身の身に起きた信じがたい出来事に、思考が停止しかけていたのである。
What kind of Range is it, though? The profile states that it's Universal+ but being "beyond space-time" and how Veldora's stuff is described makes it sound like it should be Interdimensional range, if I'm not mistaken.More a range feat than speed, as it's been treated for years now, with multiple discussions on it from what i remember.
Its outright stated star in official Translation.And even both Google and fan Translation (translated by someone in vsb) of the Japanese official veldoras journal says starIt's an attack that deals damage beyond space-time, yea inter-dimensional sounds right.
As for immeasurable speed, statements about being beyond/transcend/outside time isn't enough for it, our standards got stricter. That just serves as supporting evidence, you need an actual feat which shows something like attacking in the past or something together with those beyond time statements, which i don't think WN Velgrynd has.
From what i saw apparently it could also be translated to mean either destroying the planet or stars?
Yes. But the official translation says it's a star so I don't think that could be ignored. Qlipoth says it could go either way depending on the context. It uses the word "hoshi" which can mean star/planet/celestial bodies.From what i saw apparently it could also be translated to mean either destroying the planet or stars?
Yeah...5-B, possibly 4-C is the safest in this caseYes. But the official translation says it's a star so I don't think that could be ignored. Qlipoth says it could go either way depending on the context. It uses the word "hoshi" which can mean star/planet/celestial bodies.
In the same page Hinata says Gluttony will become a threat to the world, using the word sekai instead of hoshi so there's at least a distinction.
I initially proposed that Gluttony/Beelzebub be rated as "Will eventually become 5-B, possibly 4-C".
Yup,rather than direct 4-C.5-B and possibly 4-C is a way better optionYeah...5-B, possibly 4-C is the safest in this case
It's fine, we understand that it's just in-universe context at this point in regards to which interpretation of the world is likely the most accurate.Could be me being cautious but I do take careful looks at everything to make sure that people send is given and explained, right down to explaining what a kanji can mean because learning these things are good for future references. ^^
Don't forget the context here. Feldway BFR'd Velgyrnd's Parallel Existence outside of that space-time and Rimuru sent Velgyrnd off after she arrived at another "world" (sekai is used here specifically in reference to another world or dimension). This another is beyond "time", now this world is simply the endless space between universes in Tensura. Its the world between worlds which would make it "beyond" the space-time of the Cardinal World.After leaving Rimuru, Velgrynd flew to a world beyond time, where he was safely reunited with 'Parallel Existence', which had been sent to Feldway, in an unknown space between worlds.
So she pretty much says it's empty and endless. She clarifies that if she weren't immortal and can travel space via teleportation she would die there because there is no destination to arrive at.In that place, where there is no atmosphere or even earth, Velgrynd was forced to drift without any sense of time.
If Velgrynd had not been a "True Dragon," she might have died in that place. However, she had 'Spatial Domination' and an infinite lifespan.
She had plenty of time to think before she reached a place of refuge, and Velgrynd's thoughts were nearly stopped by the unbelievable events that had happened to her.
To at more context to Velgrynd’s Dimension Leap ability (which is the only reason she could leave that world as well know from V17) is not only allowing her move through dimensions but even time.But the world I was in means that I know how to get out of here and back to the other side.
I'm dead, so what's the point of going back... wait, I'm dead?
The Velgrynd seems to have jumped not only in dimensions, but also in time. If we parse this, then maybe...
Before I address this Space-time attack. Its funny how obvious this because Velgyrnd after V15 she left went to look for Rudra many worlds and times. In V17 she destorys all of Cornu's subordinates and severely damaged him. She mentions to one of Phantoms that if they were connected to the Cardinal World they should just perform "timeline synchronization". Which just leads them to deduce she's from the future. She even talks about running into her past self. The in V16 she arrives only like minutes after she left for several 100 years at least. She utilizes her Dimension Leap to attack Cornu in every dimension even in the Otherworld/Spirit World. Hence the transcending time and space.<<The effect of 'Dimension Leap' in Velgrynd's power, which is an ability that Velgrynd himself can only leap towards the landmark of Rudra's soul shard, but to unleash the move towards the landmark, what I guess there's no problem>>.
I see....
So the Velgrynd traced the connection between Cornu's 'Split Body' and the main body, and even destroyed the main body?
<<That's right. This 'Spacetime Continuous Attack' that can transcend time and space to attack, even if it is 'Parallel Existence' There is no way of escaping it, sir.>>
The5-B, possible 4-C probably might not be an outlier; Carrera has a spell that could blow up the planet (Volume 15 Chapter 5).
I think Velgrynd has some planet statements in I want to check, in Volume 17.
There is a statement in Volume 17 Chapter 4 that could be High 6-A or 5-B, or higher depending on the context.
That's probably not planets, iirc she was referring to different worlds not necessarily planets. It'd also be a bit strange if it took True Dragons releasing all their Haki to destroy "weak planets".5-B, possible 4-C probably might not be an outlier; Carrera has a spell that could blow up the planet (Volume 15 Chapter 5).
I think Velgrynd has some planet statements in I want to check, in Volume 17.
There is a statement in Volume 17 Chapter 4 that could be High 6-A or 5-B, or higher depending on the context.
He was really being bullied. He had PSTD (unironically) and the moment he recovers and tries his vest he gets erased.Disregarding Immeasurable Speed, LN Velgrynd's Space-Time Continuous Attack has an outright Low Multiversal Range at the very least as she was able to hit poor Cornu who was in an entirely separate 4D space.
I'm fine either way, and yeah there's even more context in V17.I still believe that it’s immeasurable, at least in the LN, since it has more info.
Is all the FanTL for Vol 17 out?I'm fine either way, and yeah there's even more context in V17.
I agree with it.So, who exactly agree with immeasurable and who disagree with it? (Just to me have a idea)
Its machine Translation but its a better one.Cuz the Translators who works for fantl also helped in machine Translation of vollume 17Is all the FanTL for Vol 17 out?
Actually with the range revisions a while back, just attacking someone in another universe is just interdimensional now, to get low multiversal, you would have be able to like affect the entirety of multiple universes at the same time.Disregarding Immeasurable Speed, LN Velgrynd's Space-Time Continuous Attack has an outright Low Multiversal Range at the very least as she was able to hit poor Cornu who was in an entirely separate 4D space.
Guy's castle had instead become more beautiful due to the fallout from this battle, which was covered in ice.
"It's good. As a memento, let's keep it that way.”
"Then I'll take care of it. I'll help you with that little matter.”
It was easy to assist. Because of the demon qi leaking from Velzado, the temperature around the area dropped to the limit, and from then on, the castle became too frigid for it to be invaded by the weak.
Since she has to live in the castle, Velzado's dragon form is an inconvenience.
When Guy pointed this out, Velzado assumed a human appearance.
If Velzado had maintained an adult form, she would have controlled her demon aura perfectly, but instead she chose to maintain a slightly younger form. This way, the leaking demon qi would turn cold and the castle's defense would be perfect.
That was how Guy and Velzado met.
After three days and three nights of fighting, even the earth’s axis had changed.
But this time, Guy had done a wonderful job, and the permafrost, which had been uninhabited until now, had been turned into evergreen earth. In its place, the continent designated as a stronghold by Guy had become uninhabitable frozen earth.